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[Angel Whispers]

Sorry, you aren't convincing me that New Super Mario Bros 2 is a quality game or will sell as much as the original.

Just isn't happening.

That game is probably the most disappointing product Nintendo has put out in the last decade.

Congratulations on totally missing the point. That you think it's a great game or not doesn't matter here. I also stated very clearly that I was not saying it would reach the same heights as the DS game. For that, nobody can say anything absolute - Again, for reasons mentioned in my post (digital distribution and backwards compatibility), and the obvious, that one can't predict the future with total certainty. Truthfully, I don't care for your thoughts about the game, and less so, when your post appears to display a lot of ignorance towards it - It uses the same assets, etc., but it plays differently because it's based around coin collection, and sees the return of the leaf. I could go on, but those games are more of a throwback to the simplicity of a past era, and I'm not in the business of trying to convince you that it's brilliant.

As for the most disappointing product, that honour belongs to the GameCube. For me, was Nintendo's worst ever console. But that's my opinion, nothing else.

 

[ExigentContact]

It's not really surprising at all considering how bad Nintendo's 3DS digital policy is.

Lose/Break your 3DS? Oops! All your games are gone.

Not disagreeing with your stance on their shitty account system, but digitally distributed full retail games have traditionally suffered on the PS3 and 360 in favor of their physical cousins as well. At least Nintendo has been among the first major parties to show relevant sales data in that sector and provide day and date releases with the physical counterpart, both of which are problems MS and Sony have had. We know that Nintendo has been successful on the DD end. I still wonder what numbers GoD for 360 was able to pull.

 

[Bronetta]

Also, freshest with the least amount of new Pokemon?

I can see you've already made up your mind without having played the game.

 

[antonz]

This really is a huge event since its a worldwide launch finally. I could see it selling 5 million its first week worldwide

 

[Soulstar]

This will be my first Pokemon game since Gold.

Spoiler

It suddenly dawned on me that I probably should be waiting in line for this.

 

[3phemeral]

This is one of the many reasons why there will never be a Pokemon MMORPG, despite it being structural perfect for the genre. Nintendo makes too much damn money to risk burning it out that way.

 

[Vire]

I can see you've already made up your mind without having played the game.

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's probably not the freshest considering you'll be running into a lot of the same Pokemon that you have already seen in the wild throughout the game. I'm not sure why this is such a crazy viewpoint.

Jeez Pokemon fans are defensive.

 

[Vire]

Not disagreeing with your stance on their shitty account system, but digitally distributed full retail games have traditionally suffered on the PS3 and 360 in favor of their physical cousins as well. At least Nintendo has been among the first major parties to show relevant sales data in that sector and provide day and date releases with the physical counterpart, both of which are problems MS and Sony have had. We know that Nintendo has been successful on the DD end. I still wonder what numbers GoD for 360 was able to pull.

That's mainly because the internet/storage infrastructure wasn't there for the PS3/360.

That'll change in this upcoming generation. I see it going 60% physical, 40% digital in the next 3 years.

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's probably not the freshest considering you'll be running into a lot of the same Pokemon that you have already seen in the wild throughout the game. I'm not sure why this is such a crazy viewpoint.

Jeez Pokemon fans are defensive.

I haven't spoiled myself on a lot so far. But I doubt they will just be using new Pokemon in the wild so far. If the new Pokemon count is low, then they will most likely use older Pokemon to fill in the spaces.

 

[ExigentContact]

That's debatable, Ruby and Saphire were pretty poor coming in my book. Especially coming off Gold/Silver...

Also, freshest with the least amount of new Pokemon?

New Pokemon don't indicate freshness as much as altering the gameplay does. Every fucking generation was plagued with Geodude and Rattata clones out the ass and now those are largely gone in favor of unique monsters and iterating on older Pokemon with Mega designs.

Diamond and Pearl also had far fewer *new* (as in unrelated to old lines through evolution) Pokemon than X and Y does. The only games that introduced a significant batch of Pokemon free of influence from older designs was Black and White, and they were filled with Pokemon that tried to fill out the same old redundant roles due to gaps in the Pokedex until the postgame.

I'll take fewer new Pokemon and new additions like Sky battles, Mega evolutions, and the death of postgame grinding because those things actually shake some old mechanics up while new Pokemon are just new Pokemon. I'll take a few cool ideas over mostly bad ones (IMO BW had mostly terrible Pokemon while XY has mostly good ones).

 

[Beelzebub]

Too much craziness at my local store... I don't even know if i want to go back

 

[wmlk]

I can see you've already made up your mind without having played the game.

Mhmm. The thread that was made earlier is an indication of that.

Seriously. This game brings potential improvements that Gen V could only dream of.

 

[Sats]

That's debatable, Ruby and Saphire were pretty poor coming in my book. Especially coming off Gold/Silver...

Also, freshest with the least amount of new Pokemon?

The amount of new Pokemon has very little to do with the "freshness" of the game.

 

[Vire]

New Pokemon don't indicate freshness as much as altering the gameplay does. Every fucking generation was plagued with Geodude and Rattata clones out the ass and now those are largely gone in favor of unique monsters and iterating on older Pokemon with Mega designs.

Diamond and Pearl also had far fewer *new* (as in unrelated to old lines through evolution) Pokemon than X and Y does. The only games that introduced a significant batch of Pokemon free of influence from older designs was Black and White, and they were filled with Pokemon that tried to fill out the same old redundant roles due to gaps in the Pokedex until the postgame.

I'll take fewer new Pokemon and new additions like Sky battles, Mega evolutions, and the death of postgame grinding because those things actually shake some old mechanics up while new Pokemon are just new Pokemon. I'll take a few cool ideas over mostly bad ones (IMO BW had mostly terrible Pokemon while XY has mostly good ones).

For what it's worth, I hear that Sky Battles are hardly used, much like the brilliant Rotation battles barely being used.

I'm not sure why Game Freak continues to make new features and barely put them to use.

The amount of new Pokemon has very little to do with the "freshness" of the game.

In your opinion.

 

[gashikunFLCL]

Are you on Center Norte ?

The pics on page 2 looks more crowded than in japan ...

Yes, I am. I'm gonna post some photos when I go back home.

 

[Meier]

So they are losing kids as an audience, but the audience that they had before seems to be staying as they grow older?

I imagine most parents of super young kids aren't registering their kids games on Club Nintendo for them.

 

[ExigentContact]

In your opinion.

I don't get it. You say that more Pokemon is indicative of freshness, but GSC added fewer than RSE and focused on continuing RBY's gameplay (and you indicate a preference for GSC over RSE). In that sense, X and Y are more closely linked to GSC than any of the recent Pokemon games because their answer to making a sequel wasn't just "THROW MORE POKEMON AT IT" as it had been across IV and V.

 

[Anura]

New Pokemon don't indicate freshness as much as altering the gameplay does. Every fucking generation was plagued with Geodude and Rattata clones out the ass and now those are largely gone in favor of unique monsters and iterating on older Pokemon with Mega designs.

Diamond and Pearl also had far fewer *new* (as in unrelated to old lines through evolution) Pokemon than X and Y does. The only games that introduced a significant batch of Pokemon free of influence from older designs was Black and White, and they were filled with Pokemon that tried to fill out the same old redundant roles due to gaps in the Pokedex until the postgame.

I'll take fewer new Pokemon and new additions like Sky battles, Mega evolutions, and the death of postgame grinding because those things actually shake some old mechanics up while new Pokemon are just new Pokemon. I'll take a few cool ideas over mostly bad ones (IMO BW had mostly terrible Pokemon while XY has mostly good ones).

Not to mention the graphical overhaul is an amazing advancement (even if it's purely aesthetic).

 

[Vire]

I don't get it. You say that more Pokemon is indicative of freshness, but GSC added fewer than RSE and focused on continuing RBY's gameplay (and you indicate a preference for GSC over RSE). In that sense, X and Y are more closely linked to GSC than any of the recent Pokemon games because their answer to making a sequel wasn't just "THROW MORE POKEMON AT IT" as it had been across IV and V.

Freshness doesn't necessarily equate to being better. Just because something is new doesn't mean that it instantly improved. It can be a plus or it could be a negative. For me, Ruby and Sapphire's new Pokemon were easily my least favorite of any generation.

All I said was Pokemon X and Y being coined as "fresh" is a bit disingenuous because of the lacking amount of new Pokemon.

It could still be a fantastic game, but fresh isn't the adjective I would use to describe it personally.

 

[vareon]

Not to mention the graphical overhaul is an amazing advancement (even if it's purely aesthetic).

If the IGN review is to be believed, they are using the 3d models a smart way. Not something other games didn't have, but it's something that makes you "Aha! Of course they can do this now!"

 

[Sats]

Freshness doesn't necessarily equate to being better. Just because something is new doesn't mean that it instantly improved. It can be a plus or it could be a negative. For me, Ruby and Sapphire's new Pokemon were easily my least favorite of any generation.

All I said was Pokemon X and Y being coined as "fresh" is a bit disingenuous because of the lacking amount of new Pokemon.

It could still be a fantastic game, but fresh isn't the adjective I would use to describe it personally.

So you don't think a full 3D Pokemon game is fresh? You don't think a new game on a new system with redone music and overhauled online capabilities is fresh? You don't think character customization and clothing options is fresh? You don't think added a new type is fresh? You don't think mega-evolutions are fresh?

 

[wmlk]

If the IGN review is to be believed, they are using the 3d models a smart way. Not something other games didn't have, but it's something that makes you "Aha! Of course they can do this now!"

Reminds me of the depth perception when going up Mt. Coronet and arriving at Spear Pillar, and also the lighthouse section and Ho-oh/Lugia cutscenes in HGSS.

 

[R-User!]

As they should be!

 

[Exokell]

It's not the same "shit", and new generations don't come out every year. Learn your facts buddy.

pick your starting pokemon, go through gyms, go through elite four... also includes some kind of team thats the villain and your nemesis.

 

[Mik317]

Freshness doesn't necessarily equate to being better. Just because something is new doesn't mean that it instantly improved. It can be a plus or it could be a negative. For me, Ruby and Sapphire's new Pokemon were easily my least favorite of any generation.

All I said was Pokemon X and Y being coined as "fresh" is a bit disingenuous because of the lacking amount of new Pokemon.

It could still be a fantastic game, but fresh isn't the adjective I would use to describe it personally.

It's considered to be fresh or whatever buzzword because it is the biggest leap forward in terms of tech and new stuff.

You seem hung up on the fact that there isn't as many new pokemon but that is basically the only thing.

I'm not about to list wars it up but the amount of new shit in this one is pretty nuts...and thus it is the biggest step forward the franchise has taken.

I don't see how this is somehow a crazy statement.

 

[Vire]

So you don't think a full 3D Pokemon game is fresh? You don't think a new game on a new system with redone music and overhauled online capabilities is fresh? You don't think character customization and clothing options is fresh? You don't think added a new type is fresh? You don't think mega-evolutions are fresh?

3D Pokemon is the only refreshing thing in this game for me. Mega Evolutions aren't fresh because they basically stole the idea from Digi Mon and that's a step in the wrong direction in my opinion.

The rest are additions that are expected of any sequel of any game.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

My Gamestop blows ass for not doing a midnight release.

 

[ohlawd]

pick your starting pokemon, go through gyms, go through elite four... also includes some kind of team thats the villain and your nemesis.

Why are you fixated on just how the story progresses?

 

[chicagocubsfan]

pick your starting pokemon, go through gyms, go through elite four... also includes some kind of team thats the villain and your nemesis.

So? The basic formula is the same, but there are major changes to each game.

 

[chadboban]

I...I thought this was supposed to be a thread about lines?

 

[Fewr]

The rest are additions that are expected of any sequel of any game.

I wasn't expecting a new type after so many sequels.

 

[Vire]

So? The basic formula is the same, but there are major changes to each game.

It'd be nice if they changed the basic formula. But Nintendo seems pretty dead set against that in any of their games.

I guess Link Between Two Worlds is trying something new with the structure of the game. (You can purchase any item in a store rather than finding them in dungeons).

 

[Aiustis]

My Gamestop blows ass for not doing a midnight release.

I have to work at 8 in the morning and promised not to play until I get a little more done in monster hunter anyway so I'm missing out on the one here.

 

[upandaway]

I...I thought this was supposed to be a thread about lines?

Nah this is pretty normal for Pokemon threads, though usually it's the new people, kinda weird to see so many regulars who I thought had their fill of this silliness.

 

[terrisus]

pick your starting pokemon, go through gyms, go through elite four... also includes some kind of team thats the villain and your nemesis.

Get some guns, shoot some bad guys, save the town/country/world.

Get in a car, drive really fast, finish in front of the other cars.

See the ball, hit the ball. Baseball been very, very good to me.

It's fun to generalize games to make them look all the same.

 

[terrisus]

Nah this is pretty normal for Pokemon threads, though usually it's the new people, kinda weird to see so many regulars who I thought had their fill of this silliness.

Don't worry, we'll all disappear at 12.
Just need to do something to pass the time.

 

[harmonize]

What are the lifetime sales for the mainline iterations? I'm almost sure it's RB > GS > DP > BW > RS, but I don't think I've seen actual numbers for either RB or GS outside of VGlol. Does somewhere like Famitsu have the rough official sales?

Anyways, considering how widely popular the DS was, I don't see this matching Diamond and Pearl in sales, but it could definitely be up there with Black and White since it's the series' first jump into 3D.

 

[Alchemy]

It's also pretty striking that people aren't just downloading the game. It's available same day yeah?

I'm getting physical copies, because it allows me and my wife to play together (one with X, the other with Y) and then when my wife is finished with it I can add it to my collection and use it for filling up my Pokedex and doing Nuzlockes. Digital copies would prevent that unless I also borrowed her 3DS for it.

 

[ArtHands]

3D Pokemon is the only refreshing thing in this game for me. Mega Evolutions aren't fresh because they basically stole the idea from Digi Mon and that's a step in the wrong direction in my opinion.

The rest are additions that are expected of any sequel of any game.

That still doesn't change the point that it is fresh to the series in terms of gameplay. I don't see why the amount of pokemons should be the only element which determine how 'fresh' the game is. That's like saying other game sequels is 'fresh' because it contains many more playable characters or weapons.

 

[ohlawd]

Don't worry, we'll all disappear at 12.
Just need to do something to pass the time.

Less than 30 minutes!

 

[king zell]

 

[ohlawd]

Nice legs on the girl in the 3rd pic.

 

[Vire]

That still doesn't change the point that it is fresh to the series in terms of gameplay. I don't see why the amount of pokemons should be the only element which determine how 'fresh' the game is. That's like saying other game sequels is 'fresh' because it contains many more playable characters or weapons.

It depends on what you value in terms of new content.

Do you want Mega Evolutions or new more Pokemon? I'll personally take the latter every time, because to me, Mega Evolutions are nothing more than minor temporary rehashes of old Pokemon.

 

[UNCMark]

No lines here. Just me and my 3DS plugged in and ready to download in 24 minutes.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I played a lot of Pokemon. Then I turned 11.

You'll last long here

 

[friskykillface]

jeez at that line at the Nintendo World Store in Rockafeller Center 0_o

thats nuts, wish i were there, i hope Reggie shows up.

 

[d[-_-]b]

I played a lot of Pokemon. Then I turned 11.

Well congrats on turning 11...

 

[Vire]

It's also sad to see that they took a step backwards from the more daring and possibly "dark", Black and White storyline to the more traditional and familiar adventure Pokemon story.

 

[Fewr]

No midnight launch at the store I preordered. Tomorrow I'll go pick it up after gym and maybe before breakfast.

 

[Terrell]

It would obviously damage the brand power of the better-selling handheld games.

Yeah, those console versions of MonHun are really dragging that shit down...

Oy, the brand has survived every shitpile that Ambrella has ever made, it will survive a full-fledged RPG experience at home.