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Bgamer90

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Not surprised by this. I know that months before the consoles were revealed that I predicted that most games would either be 60 FPS, 720p or 30 FPS, 1080p -- very few games that would be 60 FPS, 1080p.

I based that prediction on the decent number of sub HD games we got during this "HD gen".

900p at 60 FPS is better than what I predicted though so I guess that's a "positive".
 

masteratt

Member
His lengthy reply seemed to have been:

You're an idiot, a misguided toolbag and a giant ass. Bigger than even this <big ass pic>

But whatever. I just don't exactly think that's the kind of commentary that keeps any sort of discussion very constructive and what separates NeoGAF from most every other place.

As an outsider, that lurks, GAF doesn't look much different than that. Albeit less crass in execution but pretty much shaking the ass at MS and calling all negatives with anyone defending it being unreliable, and embracing everything Sony does.

I am not a fanboy of either company (if anything I prefer Sony consoles and my gaming history will back this up). But I want parity in discussion. That we don't have on the internet at all, including here.

XboxOneDev's history on Reddit to me is much more satisfying and telling than CBOAT. Sorry to step on your god's toes but spreading vague rumours that when are wrong are excused and when are right or kind of right are held up as the 'truthfact' aren't exactly my cup of tea.

XboxOneDev's history speaks in great detail about console(s) and are posted to inform. THAT'S substance. And I can't help but agree with his response to CBOAT, in that, there can't be a response as he is not SAYING anything but is rather throwing out accusations.
 

le.phat

Member
It's pretty crazy to think that an MS employee is leaking things like that. Stay safe cboat!

Maybe we should refrain from quoting him / meme'ing him, because at this point it's only a matter of time until he gets unmasked. Seriously, the op even made pics of his quotes. If we are to enjoy his leaks, we best wel to try and cover his ass as much as possible.
 

co1onel

Member
From this it does seem like he has good insider knowledge , he will probably be out if a job in a year if his predictions are correct , not the smartest business move but hey at least he is famous on the internet

He's been doing this for years. I don't think its suddenly going to change now.
 

DBT85

Member
Maybe we should refrain from quoting him / meme'ing him, because at this point it's only a matter of time until he gets unmasked. Seriously, the op even made pics of his quotes. If we are to enjoy his leaks, we best wel to try and cover his ass as much as possible.

He's been doing this for a decade.
 

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
Guys, I've removed the Gif so could you please delete it from your quotes. If I'm going to get banned for it I wouldn't want any of you being banned because of me. Thanks.
 
As an outsider, that lurks, GAF doesn't look much different than that. Albeit less crass in execution but pretty much shaking the ass at MS and calling all negatives with anyone defending it being unreliable, and embracing everything Sony does.

I am not a fanboy of either company (if anything I prefer Sony consoles and my gaming history will back this up). But I want parity in discussion. That we don't have on the internet at all, including here.

XboxOneDev's history on Reddit to me is much more satisfying and telling than CBOAT. Sorry to step on your god's toes but spreading vague rumours that when are wrong are excused and when are right or kind of right are held up as the 'truthfact' aren't exactly my cup of tea.

XboxOneDev's history speaks in great detail about console(s) and are posted to inform. THAT'S substance. And I can't help but agree with his response to CBOAT, in that, there can't be a response. He is not SAYING anything.

satisfying how exactly?
 

IN&OUT

Banned
Not surprised by this. I know that months before the consoles were revealed that I predicted that most games would either be 60 FPS, 720p or 30 FPS, 1080p -- very few games that would be 60 FPS, 1080p.

I based that prediction on the decent number of sub HD games we got during this "HD gen".

900p at 60 FPS is better than what I predicted though so I guess that's a "positive".

I agree with you, X1 wont see many full HD games, sadly.
 
From this it does seem like he has good insider knowledge , he will probably be out if a job in a year if his predictions are correct , not the smartest business move but hey at least he is famous on the internet
He leaks stuff back to 360 launch. Man, at least look up what the trackrecord for some people is before predicting stuff yourself.
 

Jack cw

Member
This was posted on Reddit:

Is this some kind of joke?
CBoat has been wrong about a ton of stuff lately.
ESRAM Yield Issues? Wrong - It launches in only 13 countries - an arguement that it could have indeed yield issues
Downclock? Wrong - A last minute change long after CBOAT leaked it and the GPU was indeed held back
Games to look worse than at E3? Wrong - Truthfact! (Ryse 900p, Dead Rising 720p with fps under 30, BF4 running at 720p, Forza has some serious ailasing problems, KI at 720p, Watch dogs running inferior to PS4, etc.)
Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia at Microsoft E3? Wrong - ME was shown at EAs conference at E3 and PoP or at least a game with similar setting is in development with Ubisoft
PS4 launching in October? Wrong - He admitted that he is no Sony insider
Xbox One won't have indie titles? Wrong - Well their "system" for Indies isnt ready and look at the PS4 exclusives...
Platinum Games exclusive announced at TGS for XOne? Wrong - If I recall correct he said that Microsoft tries to get exclusive support out of Platinum not that they actually managed to get it.

Is the above post correct? What is the %age of hits to misses that CBOAT gets ?
The only thing where he was totally off is the PS4 release but thats because hes obviously no Sony insider. His truthfacts are spot on in 9 out of 10 cases.
 
No, your end will be marked with:
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:D :D

LOL WTF. Best Bish Ban GIF! Also, why do people hate on CBOAT? He's been right more often than he's been wrong, and he's been leaking stuff on GAF for almost a decade.
 

GribbleGrunger

Dreams in Digital
Someone on Reddit has stolen my post!!!!

kidbuu3 [score hidden] 58 seconds ago

It's amusing how he claims to have had an X1 for a year in order to disprove what he is calling BS. He could have easily just said a month, but chose a year. Now ask yourself why that would be, given the narrative of this thread? To prove that the X1 has no issues with overheating? His post almost verifies to me that what CBOAT meant was another potential RROD. He lies to prove it doesn't have overheating problems when he so easily could have just focused on the resolution issue, which is taking up 99% of the conversation on here, but instead he exaggerates and says a year! mmmmmmm ...
 

co1onel

Member
When he makes a statement, he backs it up with information. PSeye/kinect camera comparison in his recent history is an interesting one as his previous rebuttal to CBOAT.

His rebuttal was even more vague than CBOAT's comments in the first place. I don't see how he disproved anything.
 

Piggus

Member
As for "XboneOneDev," I'm not sure why he thinks 29 days of system uptime is impressive. The 360's RROD issue was caused by the heating and cooling cycle stressing and eventually cracking the BGA solder. In other words, leaving the system on is less stressful than allowing it to heat up and then cool down frequently over time. I'm sure they know this and are also testing in that way, but Microsoft would be smart to detail how they're stress testing to put any fears of overheating issues to rest.

Personally, I don't think there will be any heating issues. But if they really are having problems with yields, I could see a lot of systems being faulty or unreliable.
 

Bobnob

Member
Not surprised by this. I know that months before the consoles were revealed that I predicted that most games would either be 60 FPS, 720p or 30 FPS, 1080p -- very few games that would be 60 FPS, 1080p.

I based that prediction on the decent number of sub HD games we got during this "HD gen".

900p at 60 FPS is better than what I predicted though so I guess that's a "positive".
So you could of guessed that this would be the case ? I think i could of tbh and i'm not a fech guy whatsoever. I'd say Coabts motives aint right man.
 

eso76

Member
Not surprised by this. I know that months before the consoles were revealed that I predicted that most games would either be 60 FPS, 720p or 30 FPS, 1080p -- very few games that would be 60 FPS, 1080p.

quoting myself from the other thread.
framerate and resolution are only two aspects of the graphics.

Think of it as points you have to assign to different attributes when creating a character in a RPG. You can max out stamina (resolution) or speed (fps). Maybe the hardware gives you enough points to max them both, but you'd be left with few points for attack (eyecandy).
Or devs can choose to save points on speed (30fps) and stamina (900p/800p) and spend all their budget on attack.
But since you can't max them all - especially because attack (eyecandy) doesn't have a cap, and won't have one for many years.- you will ALWAYS see 30fps and sub HD games if the devs think it's adequate.

As a general rule.

Of course, on xbone in particular, you'd probably want to match PS4 'attack' (and you might not have a choice with multiplatform games) because that's what most people will immediately notice, so the xbox in particular will see quite a few sub-1080p games i think.
 

co1onel

Member
LOL WTF. Best Bish Ban GIF! Also, why do people hate on CBOAT? He's been right more often than he's been wrong, and he's been leaking stuff on GAF for almost a decade.

Seems like most of the hate actually comes from other sites (such as reddit in this situation) where the people really just are uninformed about him. Someone makes a post about 1 or 2 things that he got wrong, often extending the truth and then everyone rides off of that. It doesn't help that reddit uses a voting system, so people only see what they'd like to see.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
As an outsider, that lurks, GAF doesn't look much different than that. Albeit less crass in execution but pretty much shaking the ass at MS and calling all negatives with anyone defending it being unreliable, and embracing everything Sony does.

I am not a fanboy of either company (if anything I prefer Sony consoles and my gaming history will back this up). But I want parity in discussion. That we don't have on the internet at all, including here.

XboxOneDev's history on Reddit to me is much more satisfying and telling than CBOAT. Sorry to step on your god's toes but spreading vague rumours that when are wrong are excused and when are right or kind of right are held up as the 'truthfact' aren't exactly my cup of tea.

XboxOneDev's history speaks in great detail about console(s) and are posted to inform. THAT'S substance. And I can't help but agree with his response to CBOAT, in that, there can't be a response as he is not SAYING anything but is rather throwing out accusations.
This isn't really about who is right and wrong. Its about standards of conduct(and not just the ones in the Terms of Service) and generally acting like a real human being who is talking to other, real human beings. Its about creating an environment that supports civil discussion and not just name-calling and general shit-spewing. GAF has that, regardless of what you think the general biases are here. Most other places don't. At all in many cases.
 

fallagin

Member
As an outsider, that lurks, GAF doesn't look much different than that. Albeit less crass in execution but pretty much shaking the ass at MS and calling all negatives with anyone defending it being unreliable, and embracing everything Sony does.

I am not a fanboy of either company (if anything I prefer Sony consoles and my gaming history will back this up). But I want parity in discussion. That we don't have on the internet at all, including here.

XboxOneDev's history on Reddit to me is much more satisfying and telling than CBOAT. Sorry to step on your god's toes but spreading vague rumours that when are wrong are excused and when are right or kind of right are held up as the 'truthfact' aren't exactly my cup of tea.

XboxOneDev's history speaks in great detail about console(s) and are posted to inform. THAT'S substance. And I can't help but agree with his response to CBOAT, in that, there can't be a response as he is not SAYING anything but is rather throwing out accusations.

I get what you are saying here, but you cant always take a corporate spokesman at his word. You can be skeptical of cboat, that is your right, however keep in mind that he does have a pretty impressive track record if you look back.
 

masteratt

Member
His rebuttal was even more vague than CBOAT's comments in the first place. I don't see how he disproved anything.

His previous one, not his recent one. His recent one,you can't debate something this vague. If you knew his information was wrong, how would you go about it? He gives next to no information to debate. There are no points to debate. That's like something coming up to you and saying "your system has a problem"...How do you debate that? All you can say is it doesn't. Tell me WHY my system has a problem and I'll tell you why my system doesn't (or at least what the thinking behind it was).

This isn't really about who is right and wrong. Its about standards of conduct(and not just the ones in the Terms of Service) and generally acting like a real human being who is talking to other, real human beings. Its about creating an environment that supports civil discussion and not just name-calling and general shit-spewing. GAF has that, regardless of what you think the general biases are here. Most other places don't. At all in many cases.

OK this aspect is very true. I took your post to mean something beyond what it was saying. But yes, I do agree with this. I can read GAF longer than any comment section on the internet (as they turn into stupid fights).
 

Alx

Member
When he makes a statement, he backs it up with information. PSeye/kinect camera comparison in his recent history is an interesting one as his previous rebuttal to CBOAT.

Oh, would you have a link please ? I'm always interested in that topic. :)
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
ElTorro has a great post on it somewhere, but I cba to find it right now lol.

This here?

They are not really saving bandwidth but saving "external bandwidth" (= "external memory bandwidth requirement"), that is, bandwidth on the bus between GPU and main memory, since they are, speaking in a simplified manner, only reading texture data from main memory but render (i.e., write pixels) into the internal eDRAM. The total bandwidth that they consume does not change, it is just split between main memory and eDRAM.

That is nothing new, since it is exactly what the eDRAM/eSRAM's main purpose is. It is small enough to hold render targets ("pixelbuffers") which, for 1080p, take 1920 x 1080 x the information per pixel (in the example you quoted 12bytes) ~= 23MB (or ~11MB at 720p). Despite their relatively small memory footprint, reading and writing into those buffers consumes much bandwidth, especially if you are rendering in multiple passes; which you do in case of deferred rendering. In this technique you gather information in a first pass and store that into a G-Buffer. You then use that information in a second pass to render the actual picture more efficiently. That was actually some sort of a problem for the 360 since a G-Buffer like the one you described didn't quite fit into its 10MB of eDRAM. That is the reason why games like Halo 3 didn't run at true 720p.

Anyway, in summary, you don't save total bandwidth, you save bandwidth between GPU and main memory. Since the bandwidth of DDR3 is limited, mitigating that limit is the main purpose of eSRAM.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80376953&postcount=834
 
As an outsider, that lurks, GAF doesn't look much different than that. Albeit less crass in execution but pretty much shaking the ass at MS and calling all negatives with anyone defending it being unreliable, and embracing everything Sony does.

I am not a fanboy of either company (if anything I prefer Sony consoles and my gaming history will back this up). But I want parity in discussion. That we don't have on the internet at all, including here.

XboxOneDev's history on Reddit to me is much more satisfying and telling than CBOAT. Sorry to step on your god's toes but spreading vague rumours that when are wrong are excused and when are right or kind of right are held up as the 'truthfact' aren't exactly my cup of tea.

XboxOneDev's history speaks in great detail about console(s) and are posted to inform. THAT'S substance. And I can't help but agree with his response to CBOAT, in that, there can't be a response as he is not SAYING anything but is rather throwing out accusations.

Believe some whistleblower with a proven track record, or believing someone who is paid to post on an internet message board?
 

Nibel

Member
About the E3 stuff: I think it's safe to assume that a lot of stuff that is presented on stage is being put together at the very last minute; Nintendo actually planned to show the new homeconsole Zelda at this year's E3, but they did a 180 in the final stages of producing the Direct - so it's pretty safe to assume that Prince Of Persia was planned to be shown but pulled back as well

And the PlatinumGames project for Microsoft still seems possible - just because it wasn't shown it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Probably a game at early stage right now considering they have plenty to do with Bayonetta 2 and jumping onto next-gen technology

What I get from CBOAT's recent statements is that it doesn't seem safe to get a Xbox One for now. The last time I bought a console that was rushed was the Wii U and despite having fun with it I sometimes think to myself that I have should waited a little longer. Considering the history of Xbox and hardware malfunctions the Xbox One is no option for me, at least not in 2013.
 

masteratt

Member
Believe some whistleblower with a proven track record, or believing someone who is paid to post on an internet message board?

See, this is what I mean.

This is pure silly speculation just because "omg it's m$". Some times his tone is pro-MS but never offensively so. And if I worked at a company, I too would be a bit defensive about the company but doesn't mean he is being paid to spew BS.

And as that is your accusation, the burden of proof is upon you. And I am going to stick my neck out and say you have none.
 
Hilarious the shit people are making up about CBOAT to try and discredit him. Not to mention the people in this very thread willing to believe that bullshit.

He was wrong about Family Sharing guys! Sure, Microsoft never confirmed any details for said plan but I know he was wrong because I'm fucking psychic.

The fanboy tears are delicious.
 

co1onel

Member
His previous one, not his recent one. His recent one,you can't debate something this vague. If you knew his information was wrong, how would you go about it? He gives next to no information to debate. There are no points to debate. That's like something coming up to you and saying "your system has a problem"...How do you debate that? All you can say is it doesn't. Tell me WHY my system has a problem and I'll tell you why my system doesn't (or at least what the thinking behind it was).



OK this aspect is very true. I took your post to mean something beyond what it was saying. But yes, I do agree with this. I can read GAF longer than any comment section on the internet (as they turn into stupid fights).

I found CBOAT's information to be quite direct. 1080p is unlikely on the One, the up-clocks are causing risks. It would be quite simple to say that these are untrue, but instead he avoided them and responded with more questions.

I don't know anything about his previous history though, so I'm not in a position to judge his reliability. But in this particular situation, I just don't see where he said anything that can give some comfort from CBOAT's posts.

The one thing I do know is that his name and position on the subreddit is clearly a public and known position. I'd find it hard to interpret his posts without thinking that he's being paid to do so.
 

8bit

Knows the Score
Oh yeah, one other thing in Crazy Buttocks' favour, although the threads seem to have been removed he used to post lots and lots of NPD data with sales to date before turning his buttocks to this sort of thing.
 

Siegmeyer

Member
I've not followed any of Cboats previous predictions but going from that reddit post on all the recent things he got wrong he seems like a Michael pachter type.

Throw enough shit and eventually some of it will stick.

So you've not followed any of his previous predictions, but are making a sweeping generalisation based off his most recent one? Ok....
 
If CBOAT's material was bogus or without merit, you wouldnt have people in an official capacity responding to them. They hold weight, which is why they are not ignored.
 

masteratt

Member
I found CBOAT's information to be quite direct. 1080p is unlikely on the One, the up-clocks are causing risks. It would be quite simple to say that these are untrue, but instead he avoided them and responded with more questions.

I don't know anything about his previous history though, so I'm not in a position to judge his reliability. But in this particular situation, I just don't see where he said anything that can give some comfort from CBOAT's posts.
I would respond to those with more questions as well. Indulge us in more information CBOAT. My point is, no productive discussion can come from what CBOAT is doing.

He is fuelling the fires of both fanboy camps. XB1 fans will not believe him, PS fans will. There are no facts here for a rational person to think about. When XboxOneDev is trying to start a real discussion and to do that, he of course has to ask CBOAT why he believes what he believes. You can't have a discussion from a vague one line statement.
 

Feorax

Member
Wow, I didn't think there was a worse sub-forum than System Wars on Gamespot. That Xbox subreddit has just opened my eyes to a whole other level of awfulness.
 

Nekofrog

Banned
I would respond to those with more questions as well. Indulge us in more information CBOAT. My point is, no productive discussion can come from what CBOAT is doing.

He is fuelling the fires of both fanboy camps. When XboxOneDev is trying to start a real discussion and to do that, he of course has to ask CBOAT why he believes what he believes. You can't have a discussion from a vague one line statement.

When a God like cboat bestows us with His holy truthfacts, backed up by nearly a decade of prophecies that have come to pass, it is simply not a vague statement.

It is gospel.
 
What does he mean by risk everywhere? Are we talking about reliability issues?

Don't know.

CBOAT is vague at times, and that means his leaks/news leave some parts up to interpretation.

That's how some people can claim stuff from him being wrong, etc... because they choose to interpret his news differently.
 
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