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Killzone Shadowfall Press Preview Thread
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startyourengine
Member
this game is incredible, damn
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's 35 - 40fps
You mean that below, right?
My confusion is mainly that I thought the HUD was just the player information. When people said that the HUD was reflecting I was looking for the corner stuff like the OWL status the d-pad options and the bullet count, health, etc. reflected on screen.
I heard that but I think the video is capped at 30. I was referring to the look of the motion as well, not the actual framerate.
All light reflects, regardless of whether it's detectable by human beings. The visible segment of the spectrum represents a very narrow portion. Whatever energy source is being captured by the player's view finder would reflect back at the player and those would also become visible. Of course, that's assuming that the gadget the player is using isn't the source of said energy.
SniperHunter
Banned
Is this confirmed? Very strage if true
super-famicom
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GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood.
Yeah, it's an odd thing. I'm guessing that's where it averages at unlocked framerate, but capped at 30 with more responsive input?
velociraptor
Junior Member
eh, I don't mind. I played Crysis 3 at that framerate and it felt pretty great to me. Ditto God of War Ascension.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
It's from this preview: http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/96034/A+new+Killzone+for+a+new+generation/
edit: beaten
Seems odd to me too. If it were averaging 45-50fps then I could understand but 35-40 seems like they should just cap it at 30. Someone did mention that this was a near final press preview build made before the game went gold so it could be different at launch.
No problem. I wasn't clear.
SniperHunter
Banned
Might have been the unfinished code. I doubt it will be true for the final game
Sephiroth503
Member
You mean that below, right?
My confusion is mainly that I thought the HUD was just the player information. When people said that the HUD was reflecting I was looking for the corner stuff like the OWL status the d-pad options and the bullet count, health, etc. reflected on screen.
Does the problem here though not relate to the fact that the wall is destructible? It seems like it would be very difficult to program for X-Ray vision to see the target and not reflect on the surface when all surfaces have been designed to reflect as default. Just guessing mind. Have to say I didn't even notice until someone said it.
Is there any examples of the reflections showing through non-destructible surfaces?
It's a screen space effect. Everything is rendered and then the reflections are applied in a post effect, which is why it seems to be going through the wall since it considers the highlighted characters to be on screen light sources.
Couldn't they add a CSS code to those specific reflections and hide them?
I honestly don't know. Maybe. I don't know much about the underlying coding that goes into effects, just how they relate to the images produced on the screen.
Sephiroth503
Member
Yeah I saw the comparisons to Forza earlier in the thread so I know how it works as such, but what I'm wondering then is it something that crops up when the player is looking through a "solid" surface that is non destructible if that makes a difference?
It's not factoring the wall in at all. The game thinks the "lights" are on or in front of the wall. The same thing will happen through any wall if the floor surface is reflective.
Sephiroth503
Member
I see, thanks for the info!
It was a joke, but who knows. Maybe CSS's can be implemented in gaming codes.
Killzone Shadow Fall - 4 different ways to play
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrNQ9rCVvnM#t=810
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrNQ9rCVvnM#t=810
Sure, web browser games lol
hahah figured as much. I really don't know shit about game development.
Screen tearing is pretty much unacceptable for a game like this. It needs to be multiples of 30 for the current crop of displays.
Triple buffering gets rid of screen tearing.
Games can have a variable framerate without having screentearing as long as they have v-sync (GoW 3 and GoW:A) and i haven't seen or heard of any screentearing from the previews so that's a non-issue.
Definitely a non-issue then
Sword Of Doom
Member
oh my..
If the game is 1080p why do people keep tweeting about 4k?
Has it been confirmed that they're using triple buffered v-sync?
Oppo
Member
it's not altogether crazy that some workflow might actually use CSS or something like it...
you'd be surprised at how many game UIs were made in Flash
edit - wait, so per that tweet above, voice launching is in there already? I did not know that
travisbickle
Member
You mean that below, right?
My confusion is mainly that I thought the HUD was just the player information. When people said that the HUD was reflecting I was looking for the corner stuff like the OWL status the d-pad options and the bullet count, health, etc. reflected on screen.
I think this problem is different to Forza.
If you look at the start of this vid,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMA2_tFbgEo
when he goes through the air-con duct, the light from the thermal image of a person is bouncing of all the walls, moving and bending across the surface as you move.
I have to watch the video again to see other examples, but I wonder if it's possible that the reflections are actually additional people on the lower level, and the positioning is a flukey coincidence. Kinda hard to believe they're that exact in this example though, but I suppose it's possible.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Thread is lacking gifs, I made more.
The gun muzzle reflecting off the walls.....
Can't unsee the floating blood.
WHOAguitarninja
Member
The problem is sortof the same and not the same as it is in Forza. It's fundamentally the same but arises in a different way, due to render order.
KZSF goes like this.
Frame 1: Render Transform and Lighting and basic non post effects - > Save image to buffer, then perform ray traces to selectively sample the image at the correct angles for reflection map - > render UI ontop of resulting image
Frame 2: Repeat
Forza goes like this
Frame 0 - Capture complete frame and save to buffer
Frame 1 - Render transform and lighting, including cube maps. Use saved framebuffer from frame 0 as front cubemap for reflections. -> Proceed to post process -> Render UI -> Capture completed frame and save to buffer.
Frame 2: Repeat frame 1
They may be able to change to order to save the completed frame before the UI pass, but there may be some technical limitations that keeps them from doing that.
Each method has its advantages and disadvantages.
KZSF
+more advanced, and technically more versatile in application
-uses more resources
Forza
+fairly cheap in resources
+captures every detail in the picture
-captures EVERY detail in the picture
I mentioned it in another thread, but I saw Killzone: Shadowfall in person at E3 this year, displayed on a 60" 1080p Bravia (not sure if an LED or LCD set). Looked absolutely stunning. To be honest, the screenshots don't really do it justice. The crispness of the image, the fluidity of the movement, it really was impressive, even if the guy demoing the game kept dying. Lol.
For me, Killzone: SF, and inFAMOUS: Second Son were the two things that impressed me the most out of E3. They looked amazing in person.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
It's simple we have to shoot a wall to find out :Joker face:
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Someone summarize what they say, if possible. At work, but I'm curious to hear EG impressions!
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Very good quality. Gifs incoming! (hopefully)
SniperHunter
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Very active
The facial animation for David Harewood's character doesn't look a bit off like the others did. Although, Echo's looked fine when she wasn't right in your face, and I didn't think the guy at the end of the trailer was that bad, either.
