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famousmortimer: Xbox One OS and Xbox Live issues bouncing about as we approach launch
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What did shu say?
So if you have the current scoop with whats going on with Sony and this launch, tell us what this PS4 review event taking place 3 days before the console launches in a controlled environment is all about? I'm not accusing anybody of anything and I suspect Microsoft might do the same thing but whats the reasoning behind that?
intheinbetween
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that was uploaded before this thread was posted: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705166
jhmtehgamr20xx
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How could they fuck this up? All they had to do was literally take the 360 method and put it in XBO, copy-and-paste, easiest shortcut ever.
I'm more interested in seeing if the OS crashes are true tho.
I'm more interested in seeing if the OS crashes are true tho.
Clear
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MS have been on their back-foot ever since February when Sony came out much stronger and quicker than expected. This is probably why their problems are so similar to what Sony faced with the PS3 after 360 was launched.
Platform launches are tricky and complex things at the best of times, but when you find yourself chasing a deadline that's been set by your competition things get an awful lot more dicey.
The reality I suspect is that long-term the problems will be largely get ironed out, but the first few months may well be very rough and give one party a significant headstart regarding mindshare.
Platform launches are tricky and complex things at the best of times, but when you find yourself chasing a deadline that's been set by your competition things get an awful lot more dicey.
The reality I suspect is that long-term the problems will be largely get ironed out, but the first few months may well be very rough and give one party a significant headstart regarding mindshare.
I'm sure Stevie had his way and Allard couldn't fight him and Moore.
That is true - it does compete poorly. It is sad that Allard left. I don't doubt that media was their target but Allard could have still kept the focus on gaming. As long as the gamers were happy they could put in all of the media they want. They just had to look at the success of the 360 and do more of the same. Mattrick was a 'Yes Man' to Steve and did not defend the original vision of the Xbox.
legacyzero
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to be fair... "typical issues" at launch I would think most believe to be annoying. queue times, bugs that don't work how they should and need workarounds, speed, etc.
getting dropped (frequently from the sounds of it) from multi-player or chat isn't "growing pains". That is the equivalent of Star Wars Galaxies and their frequent fucking rollbacks during launch losing you anywhere from 15-120 minutes of progress. There are growing pains, and then there are broken aspects to the point of it being unenjoyable.
If this is as broken as numerous (including devs) are saying, that is the latter, not the former.
Nightengale
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Must be a strange feeling for Cerny. His game team is probably popping up the sake bottles and celebrating, yet there is still one more big thing for him, to which he can't celebrate yet till launch.
Kleegamefan
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Define "games working"
If XBL connectivity and party dropout issues are intergal to your games experience, then perhaps you would consider games "not working"
I really hope MS either fixes this for launch or soon after because, jokes aside, the Xbox is a major, major part of the gaming landscape regardless if you are a fan or not (I am a PS fanboy who is fortunate enough to have the means to buy all three next gen consoles and plan to do so)
If Xbone crashes and burns this will have an overall damaging effect on our hobby even if you hate Xbox.......even the ha8rz should want this to be resolved as quickly as possible
Dude, its a 300 hundred MEGAbyte patch. That's barely enough for your average web application, let alone an entire OS. Cut this line of bullshit, its nothing more than a bunch of bug fixes to account for changes to the PSN between pre-release and launch. Zero day patches are the norm for large software/hardware launches, a broken UI weeks before launch is not.
Silverthorn
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Having been in software development all my life I can tell you just throwing manpower at the problem is not an answer. (Mythical Man Month anyone?)
You have to be tactical if you are faced with a lot of loose ends and problems. Hypothetically if there are a lot of problems MS is facing in getting their software ready you have to work on the items that really matter day one and roll out other features incrementally. And you put the right experts on each problem...not just throw manpower at it. That's a recipe for disaster and I'm sure MS knows that. If there truly are major problems what you'll see is certain functionality turned off until its ready for prime time.
Define "games working"
If XBL connectivity and party dropout issues are party of your games experience, then perhaps you would consider games "not working"
I really hope MS either fixes this for launch or soon after because, jokes aside, the Xbox is a major, major part of the gaming landscape regardless if you are a fan or not (I am a PS fanboy who is fortunate enough to have the means to buy all three next gen consoles and plan to do so)
If Xbone crashes and burns this will have an overall damaging effect on our hobby even if you hate Xbox.......even the ha8rz should want this to be resolved as quickly as possible
Exactly. BF4 is my most anticipated launch title. If I picked that up X1 and I couldn't finish a 30 min game because of crashes I would be extremely upset.
Huh, news to me too.didn't know people couldn't check the OS while playing the demo, MS need to do something about this news and do it fast if what Phil Spencer say is true then prove that this news is wrong (if it's wrong).
If you're referring to the NY celebration, then that's before launch. They're going to have to go there if they want to get early access, or wait for it to launch, go buy a PS4 and then review it. Who knows, maybe they give the journalists in attendance a free PS4 as a bribe? Sweeten them up a little. Know what I mean? Huh? Eh?
SHADES
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Lol, why don't you take a moment read back through some of CBOAT's older leaks & check the dates, Some of the 360 leaks were "pretty darn obvious"
NOT
BronsonLee
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Kotaku afaik
I have a marketing degree and you're wrong.
Maidenpool?
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didn't know people couldn't check the OS while playing the demo, MS need to do something about this news and do it fast if what Phil Spencer say is true then prove that this news is wrong (if it's wrong).
Your turn is over if you tried to check out the hub? Wow.
If Microsoft can survive and come out on damn near the top if not in top despite having essentially a 100% failure rate on their consoles for well over a year, they will be fine with something as minor as this really is.
Lol. I know. But marketing actually is my major.
While entire PS3 firmware weights a 200MB package, how would you say a 300MB "Patch" is too small for PS4 main feature ?
As a somewhat expert in health/medicine I believe it's time to take them meds, homie. Bengal tigers don't flinch. They roam with majesty and grace because of their superiority. #GETATME
Marc
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Yeah, true, a disappointing reality. As an internet user its hard to imagine the poor sods without it, or unreliable connections. Its selfish but that download is nothing to me now, but I only recently got fibre. Updates like that used to kill me. I always wonder what the adoption rate for things like that are. So a lot of people are out there having to deal with buggy day 1 systems.
My first day 1 console, never done it before but no idea why I have started now considering how things are going and the lack of information out there. Just hyped due to such a long generation I guess. Fingers crossed it goes well for everyone, no one wants to open the box they have been anticipating to find a turd sandwich inside.
I understand that generally but at the start of a console's life do the dev tools not come into play? Surely if this rumour is true and things like chat and connectivity code is junk, how are devs supposed to test it out properly? Must impact game development if they are constantly releasing updates to resolve bugs to devs. Same with PS4, delays to a couple of games might indicate some kind of development issues? Just speculating obviously and curious about any answers. They were both left so late to delay, makes me wonder.
Thanks again
jhmtehgamr20xx
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That was helpful; didn't know about the PS4 issues but they sound like typical little bugs and hands-playing-too-close-to-chest stuff. The XBO stuff sounds like straight up clusterfuckery.
The only reason they're not extinct is that a bunch of hippies decided to save them.
Yup and Phil went into silent mode after that response .. getting ridiculous. I'm not opposed to getting an XBONE down the line. Competition is good. They need to get their shit together.
Forensic Scene
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I can't imagine working on something for so many years and what the feeling would be when it is finally on a shelf. Must be very surreal.
Crimson_Gold
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Um yes. Have you seen the size of some phone OS lately. I've seen several 300mb updates that add simple features and fix other issues. Comparing the patch to the PS3 OS is ridiculous. That thing originated 7 years ago. Things have changed
Man, I like Yoshida's idea of showing the PS4 UI at the beginning of their Gamescom conference even more:
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Shu's PS4 had to be in suspend mode, if you notice when he starts playing Shadow Fall he never chose a class. Unless it automatically chooses a class for you.
entremet
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I think people are needlessly worrying about stuff they have no control over. We're customers. It's not our jobs to worry about these things. And if it is a mess, we can just return the system.
I don't get the crazy concern. We're not MS employees or stockholders--I speak for myself here.
There isn't a network connected device with embedded OS that doesn't do a day 1 check for OS/firmware updates, and more than a few actually do have day 1 updates to download and install. That's the world consoles live in now.
AustinFelix
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Not sure what your getting at.. What I said is what's happened. Its got a bare-bones OS on at retail. 1.50 would have been put on if it was ready for the machines going in production.
Dictator93
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Shu is way too likeable.
IAmRandom31
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The fact that it was made into a thread when it was literally the most random, idiotic thing you could ever say was a bit sad to begin with.
He subbed in for a bot so he spawned with its class.
NinjaCarrot
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The guy behind #PS4noDRM
So in Gamescom PS4 has suspend mode in mind, but at launch this feature will be cut due to verification failure.
Solid warrior
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I'm observing this kind of behavior in the message board. I always ask myself why they aren't banned, yet? I wonder if NeoGAF tolerate this much of negativity and misinformation? Why and for whom?
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