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[shock-value]

Watching posters defend 720p in 2014 YES 2014 is unbelievable, I bet if you checked those posters post history before all this resolution talk began it would be a different story.

But carry on living in denial it's entertaining to watch the spin cycle..

I'll definitely defend running at 720p in some cases, regardless of year. 720p can allow you to utilize more effects, more polys, just more of everything going on in the picture since you are only rendering 44% of the pixels. In some cases, that will produce a more visually pleasing result than 1080p with fewer effects (or even better gameplay if you need to maximize on-screen entities).

I'll even defend Infinity Ward, as this might just be one of those cases where the power differential between the consoles means that having 1080p on one and 720p on the other maximizes the subjective visual excellence of each.

I won't defend Microsoft for underpowering their console, apparently in the name of a gimmicky gesture sensor, though.

 

[Bgamer90]

Honestly man sometimes it just seems like you wanna argue for the sake of arguing.

Not my intent at all.

I simply don't get why some people can't have higher standards but yet, at the same time, realize that there's people who are different.

 

[Marleyman]

Them average gamers will swoop in to save the xbox day. Too bad there is no way to track average gamer's buying habits since they dont seem to be showing up in any measurable metric which all indicate PS4 to have more pre-orders and interest. I am sure the nebulous average gamer will buy the more expensive product that is spec wise worse because they dont care about anything except what some vast minority of people is telling them. Makes sense.

Like I have said, you are severely underestimating this group. If the PS4 has more online players on COD this time around I would be shocked.

 

[travisbickle]

If everybody follows then who leads?

The one with the most knowledge about the new consoles.

 

[rdrr gnr]

Been gaming with friends since the inception of Xbox Live. Still gaming with those friends. Most of these multiplats are built for social gaming and social gaming was more of a pleasure on the 360 than it was on the PS3. Thus, despite the resolution I will continue to game on multiplats with friends on the console I'm used to and on the other side, purchase a PS4 for the exclusives.

Have you told them the PS4 is cheaper and makes a good case for being the social gaming platform of choice?

 

[Kogepan]

If they are familiar and enjoy the 360 why would that even matter? MS is leading them right into the One. I am saying this because I know a group of friends who are doing this. The PS4 isn't even on their radar; they know nothing of 1080p discussions, nothing of even the reversal by MS during the summer. This group is going to be much larger and more influential than most on here are ready to believe.

Seriously? They are buying the X1 simply because its being sold by Microsoft? OK.

 

[Gaz_RB]

The one with the most knowledge about the new consoles.

In a perfect world...

Seriously? They are buying the X1 simply because its being sold by Microsoft? OK.

No, that's not what he's arguing, they're buying the X1 because it's what they know. It's the next Xbox, and their friends/gamerscore/community all will carry over.

 

[shinra-bansho]

But exclusive games can help determine what console they buy as has been seen many times in the past. Hence why both MS and Sony are putting a lot of time/money into that area.

We've never had two consoles launching back to back where one was significantly more powerful, cheaper and played largely the same games.

I don't really think exclusive games matter as much as people think, at least in relative terms to the latter two points above, i.e. being cheaper and playing all the third party titles.

Killzone, Driveclub, Knack, Ryse, Forza, Killer Instinct. These aren't relatively big franchises. They've taken on an inflated sense of value due to being launch exclusives on here, but multiplatform brands and franchises are far bigger and more significant to sales potential.

Having Battlefield and COD is more important than having Killzone. Having Need for Speed is more important than having Driveclub or Forza. Having Assassin's Creed is more important than having Ryse or Infamous.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

If they are familiar and enjoy the 360 why would that even matter? MS is leading them right into the One. I am saying this because I know a group of friends who are doing this. The PS4 isn't even on their radar; they know nothing of 1080p discussions, nothing of even the reversal by MS during the summer. This group is going to be much larger and more influential than most on here are ready to believe.

That's true but I'm pretty sure more are leaving the Xbox to go to ps than ps to Xbox. This gen was very close. Next gen probably won't be as much. IF Sony can get close to 50/50 in the US, it'll be a huge victory for them

True. Most people might stay on the familiar platform despite of price or performance.
At the same time, some might jump ship, I can see people might switch from Xbox to PS because of power & price advantage but not the other way around.

I like the way you think

 

[wapplew]

You are missing the point here; these gamers that I described don't care about the price tag..they want to game with the same controller layout, same friends lists, etc. We will obviously have to wait for numbers to come in over time but I just feel that Xbox is still going to have the majority of COD players when it comes to MP.

True. Most people might stay on the familiar platform despite of price or performance.
At the same time, some might jump ship, I can see people might switch from Xbox to PS because of power & price advantage but not the other way around.

 

[tfur]

There is no doubting there is a difference between the two. The way I see it though is that the average gamer, who plays COD, Madden basically, will follow his friends to the system they want to game on and will give two shits about this. Their decision will be made based off of what their COD, Madden buddies are doing, not this.

Dudebros would probably prefer the less gimped version and hardware. There will be a migration, we just do not know how big.

 

[AnyColourYouLike]

It's an identical image with an effect over the Xbox One image from what I can see.

I know that, but the image could use an "/s" overlay to stop confusion.

 

[I'm new be nice]

Seriously? They are buying the X1 simply because its being sold by Microsoft? OK.

Sadly this is a common sentiment among many of my coworkers in the kitchen I work at.

 

[Marleyman]

Seriously? They are buying the X1 simply because its being sold by Microsoft? OK.

I don't get why that is shocking. You don't think there are people who post here that are diehard Playstation fans who could give two shits what MS was doing because they were buying a PS4 anyway? It is shocking that you would even assume this doesn't happen.

 

[Bgamer90]

That would be true if those same people weren't touting the announced 1080p/60 games on XBO or arguing that the visual difference in multiplats would be nonexistent. Now that it's not the case, suddenly resolution doesn't matter.

Seems to be working both ways -- some PS4 fans seem to now be fine with less than 1080p too.

Also, not all Xbox fans fit into that category. Many of them didn't shout "1080p/60fps!". Same is true for PS fans.

 

[njean777]

In a perfect world...

Well you could lead by not joining them and just buying the PS4, worked for me this gen with the PS3 eventually they all got a ps3 and we waited to see the specs of the PS4 vs One and all decided that PS4 was the way to go after E3.

BTW I went with the PS3 after 2 RROD's, not just because I was a fanboy. I wasn't going to support MS after the RROD fiasco.

 

[JP]

Do people think this is real?

They're both the same screen capture, somebody has just messed around with it and pretended that one is the Xbox version.

 

[Marleyman]

That's true but I'm pretty sure more are leaving the Xbox to go to ps than ps to Xbox.

I am sure that is the case; never debated that.

This gen was very close. Next gen probably won't be as much. IF Sony can get close to 50/50 in the US, it'll be a huge victory for them

We shall see.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I don't get why that is shocking. You don't think there are people who post here that are diehard Playstation fans who could give two shits what MS was doing because they were buying a PS4 anyway? It is shocking that you would even assume this doesn't happen.

But those people don't make up the majority. History has shown that every console generation is a big reset button where everyone is back to square one. The die hards will buy whatever you put out but others will flock to where they see quality and value.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Well you could lead by not joining them and just buying the PS4, worked for me this gen with the PS3 eventually they all got a ps3 and we waited to see the specs of the PS4 vs One and all decided that PS4 was the way to go after E3.

I'm only buying a PS4 this November, and I seriously cannot even convince my two best friends to leave Xbox and come to Playstation. My friends game a lot but they aren't the kind of people who go on message boards and gaming news sites. I was the only one who even had all three consoles last gen.

But those people don't make up the majority. History has shown that every console generation is a big reset button where everyone is back to square one. The die hards will buy whatever you put out but others will flock to where they see quality and value.

I'd argue that this generation is different due to the heavy online connectivity of last gen that we just didn't see in past generations. I think it caused a lot people to lay down roots in one console or the other, making next gen whole different ball game that I don't think will be comparable to older gens.

 

[Finaika]

Is 720p upscaled to 1080p bad?

 

[njean777]

I'm only buying a PS4 this November, and I seriously cannot even convince my two best friends to leave Xbox and come to Playstation.

Don't worry they will eventually jump over. It may take some time, but if you just play your games and maybe show them the differences they may like what they see. You never know, it took about 3 years to get all my friends on the ps3, but it happened. Then again none of my friends were into achievements and all that crap. I mean the ps4 has achievements so they can still get there fix if they care about that stuff.

 

[Pop]

Them average gamers will swoop in to save the xbox day. Too bad there is no way to track average gamer's buying habits since they dont seem to be showing up in any measurable metric which all indicate PS4 to have more pre-orders and interest. I am sure the nebulous average gamer will buy the more expensive product that is spec wise worse because they dont care about anything except what some vast minority of people is telling them. Makes sense.

The average casual gamer will walk into Gamestop,(mind you this is after they heard COD was 1080p on Ps4) look at the prices of both consoles and buy the cheaper one. And here comes the unless...they're massive fanboys who just can't stop playing on a Xbox console.

 

[Bgamer90]

We've never had two consoles launching back to back where one was significantly more powerful, cheaper and played largely the same games.

I don't really think exclusive games matter as much as people think, at least in relative terms to the latter two points above, i.e. being cheaper and playing all the third party titles.

Killzone, Driveclub, Knack, Ryse, Forza, Killer Instinct. These aren't relatively big franchises. They've taken on an inflated sense of value due to being launch exclusives on here, but multiplatform brands and franchises are far bigger and more significant to sales potential.

Many people will be getting next gen consoles 2+ years from now which is when both consoles should have a good library of exclusive titles. The exclusives on these systems won't just be the game franchises that are coming at launch.

If a system has more "killer apps" than the other, a decent amount of potential buyers will want that system over the other one.

 

[I'm new be nice]

I'm only buying a PS4 this November, and I seriously cannot even convince my two best friends to leave Xbox and come to Playstation. My friends game a lot but they aren't the kind of people who go on message boards and gaming news sites. I was the only one who even had all three consoles last gen.

I've tried to explain the difference between 720 and 1080 and I just get blank stares (though maybe I did a poor job)

 

[FuturusX]

Seems to be working both ways -- some PS4 fans seem to now be fine with less than 1080p too.

Also, not all Xbox fans fit into that category. Many of them didn't shout "1080p/60fps!". Same is true for PS fans.

So what's your overall point? Is it something beyond 'some' people won't care about 720p resolution in their next-gen games? Because I think everybody here knows that.

Perhaps you are suggesting it won't be a factor at all. That would suggest the most won't care. Perhaps that's also true. But what of the hardcore gamer will they care?

Do you care?

 

[Prelude.]

Is 720p upscaled to 1080p bad?

Never played a current gen game?

 

[clem84]

This really depends on the scaler. If it's quality scaling there could be virtually no difference between the two versions. This whole 720p vs 1080p thing is something Neogaf goes crazy about but that normal people don't care much for. Just out of curiosity I can't wait to see footage of the two versions but I don't expect much difference.

 

[DeltaJay]

Have you told your friends any of this and do they know the superior system is 100$ cheaper?

I think if I went in-depth about resolutions most of them wouldn't care. The price difference of the two systems is well known. The case to make about purchasing an Xbone is because we (I) are already in the eco system. We all pay for live obviously and we're just plain used to playing on an Xbox. Used to the controller, etc. While resolutiongate is hardly anything to be proud of on the Xbone, it'll come down to system familiarity that will dictate console choice. And yes, even if it is $100 more.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Many people will be getting next gen consoles 2+ years from now which is when both consoles should have a good library of exclusive titles. The exclusives on these systems won't just be the game franchises that are coming at launch.

If a system has more "killer apps" than the other, a decent amount of potential buyers will want that system over the other one.

Why are you talking about 2+ years from now and nebulous exclusives that no one knows about yet?

 

[Marleyman]

But those people don't make up the majority. History has shown that every console generation is a big reset button where everyone is back to square one. The die hards will buy whatever you put out but others will flock to where they see quality and value.

For games like Madden, COD, which sell a shit ton, I just don't seeing the ones who gamed on a particular platform to just jump ship because of resolution. I believe things will fall pretty much in line with where they were this gen.

 

[beast786]

It's like people forgot this gen ever happened.


brand loyalty
use to the controller lay out
Big Franchise recognition with brand for 3rd party


Yep, never happened

 

[njean777]

I've tried to explain the difference between 720 and 1080 and I just get blank stares (though maybe I did a poor job)

Some people are visual learners, show them the difference and then they will be like OHHHHHHH

 

[Marleyman]

I've tried to explain the difference between 720 and 1080 and I just get blank stares (though maybe I did a poor job)

You don't have to; let them make a decision. If they are comfortable with the 360, the controller, dig Xbox Live it just makes sense that they will migrate right over to One. Price tag, resolutions, etc just don't mean that much to these gamers.

 

[MormaPope]

You are missing the point here; these gamers that I described don't care about the price tag..they want to game with the same controller layout, same friends lists, etc. We will obviously have to wait for numbers to come in over time but I just feel that Xbox is still going to have the majority of COD players when it comes to MP.

That's why the Xbox 360 gained popularity this gen, right? It was because of the stellar performance of the Xbox 1, PS2 fans wanting to get into next gen with a affordable console never existed. The success of the Xbox 360 could've never been because of the price point, time of release, better third party ports, it was because people really liked the Xbox 1 controller and friends lists.

 

[sportz103]

Have you told them the PS4 is cheaper and makes a good case for being the social gaming platform of choice?

I think Skype makes the biggest case for being the social platform. As people will be able to join your party chat from their XBO, or their computer, phone, etc.

 

[Night Angel]

It's like people forgot this gen ever happened.


brand loyalty
use to the controller lay out
Big Franchise recognition with brand for 3rd party


Yep, never happened

PS2 doesn't count for some reason. Gamerscore is apparently the secret sauce (glue) needed to ensure brand loyalty.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Don't worry they will eventually jump over. It may take some time, but if you just play your games and maybe show them the differences they may like what they see. You never know, it took about 3 years to get all my friends on the ps3, but it happened. Then again none of my friends were into achievements and all that crap. I mean the ps4 has achievements so they can still get there fix if they care about that stuff.

I can only hope. But by that time I'll probably have gotten an XB1 and joined them haha

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Seems to be working both ways -- some PS4 fans seem to now be fine with less than 1080p too.

Also, not all Xbox fans fit into that category. Many of them didn't shout "1080p/60fps!". Same is true for PS fans.

That's definitely true. The die-hard 1080p people that then changed their tunes when 900p BF4 happened are no better. For those kind of people, though, that was always just a console warz list point. They're equally happy with "better than the Xbox One version."

I do wish that the disingenuous spinning (not from you, man. You're mostly good in my book) of the lower resolution would stop. There are things that the Xbox One has that the PS4 doesn't (DR3, Forza, Ryse, Kinect, Snap, HDMI in, Hyrb

Spoiler

lol

); highlight those instead of trying to downplay the significant power advantage the PS4 has. Sure, there's going to be posters who will lord that shit over Xbox fans' heads for the whole gen... buckle up. However, if the conversation shifts to territory the PS4 can't occupy, then conversations can become not only more civil, but less cyclical.

 

[TAJ]

I've tried to explain the difference between 720 and 1080 and I just get blank stares (though maybe I did a poor job)

Are they familiar with the term "choppy"? How about "slide show"?

 

[AgentP]

This really depends on the scaler. If it's quality scaling there could be virtually no difference between the two versions. This whole 720p vs 1080p thing is something Neogaf goes crazy about but that normal people don't care much for. Just out of curiosity I can't wait to see footage of the two versions but I don't expect much difference.

What bullshit. Scaling isn't magic, it doesn't add information, it simply tries not to make it worse. Do you think a native 720p TV playing cod looks as good as a native 1080p one? The best scaler ever will never match the native 720p TV.

 

[Gaz_RB]

Are they familiar with the term "choppy"? How about "slide show"?

What does that have to do with resolution?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

For games like Madden, COD, which sell a shit ton, I just don't seeing the ones who gamed on a particular platform to just jump ship because of resolution. I believe things will fall pretty much in line with where they were this gen.

That's what was said back in the PS2 to PS3 transition. Brand loyalty doesn't always win out. 3 of my most loyal 360 friend in mid Michigan have sense and were turned off by not only the price but the way MSFT has handled things. That and PS4 has handled most of their cards really well especially when it comes to games. I'm always curious to ask some semi casual gamer friends about this. You get all types.

 

[njean777]

You don't have to; let them make a decision. If they are comfortable with the 360, the controller, dig Xbox Live it just makes sense that they will migrate right over to One. Price tag, resolutions, etc just don't mean that much to these gamers.

I couldn't lie to my friends, they can make a decision but you are damn sure I will let them know they are making the wrong one before they purchase something that is expensive. That is what I would want my friends to do.

 

[TAJ]

It's like people forgot this gen ever happened.


brand loyalty
use to the controller lay out
Big Franchise recognition with brand for 3rd party


Yep, never happened

But... none of that happened. Sony lost their dominance because gamers aren't loyal. They're fickle as fuck.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Why do Apple products do so well then?

is Apple the tech equivalent to invoking Hitler? If an argument is dragged out long enough and is heated enough someone always pulls out a Hitler reference and then you know the debate is over.

So both Activision and EA have noticeable differences between the PS4 & Xbox One on high profile games. Good to see the forced parity concerns are now put to rest.

 

[Amir0x]

What bullshit. Scaling isn't magic, it doesn't add information, it simply tries not to make it worse. Do you think a native 720p TV playing cod looks as good as a native 1080p one? The best scaler ever will never match the native 720p TV.

It seems to be the latest attempt making the rounds on places that refuse to believe the differences. Now, the differences are there, but the "magical upscaling" will make it nigh indistinguishable. Seen this at many places who doubted NeoGAF insiders on this news. Now it's leaking here.

 

[Kagari]

It's like people forgot this gen ever happened.


brand loyalty
use to the controller lay out
Big Franchise recognition with brand for 3rd party


Yep, never happened

Americans are loyal to... the lowest price.

 

[rdrr gnr]

I think if I went in-depth about resolutions most of them wouldn't care. The price difference of the two systems is well known. The case to make about purchasing an Xbone is because we (I) are already in the eco system. We all pay for live obviously and we're just plain used to playing on an Xbox. Used to the controller, etc. While resolutiongate is hardly anything to be proud of on the Xbone, it'll come down to system familiarity that will dictate console choice. And yes, even if it is $100 more.

You don't think most of that stuff is slightly less concrete than the very real disparity between price, power, and consumer-friendliness? Consider it a sunk cost and move on.

 

[Entrecôte]

I couldn't lie to my friends, they can make a decision but you are damn sure I will let them know they are making the wrong one before they purchase something that is expensive. That is what I would want my friends to do.

If they only want to play BF4 and COD it is the wrong decision yes. If they would like a game like Titanfall then it is not.