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Rumor: ACIV: Black Flag is sub-1080p on Xbox One

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MonaKyshu

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Special C said:
Just accept the fact that it's the inferior console graphically and enjoy your purchase.
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a good way to go about it, i doubt many people who went with mainly a PS2 were to worried about their console performance, Xbone wont have the luxury of that many 3rd party exclusives tho
 
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Speedy Blue Dude

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I'm at the point where I don't even care anymore if its not 1080p. Guess I hit the stage acceptance. :p

As long as Microsoft pushes Turn 10 and 343 to do 1080p, aka the developers making the only games I'm buying the Xbox One for, I'm happy.


Also, what's this with people saying Forza 5 has no AA? It does. Also Pre-Baked lighting =/= bad. I'd prefer Real Time but having dealt with Pre - Baked for years, I don't even care. :p It's a track you're racing on for 4 minutes, I don't expect the sun to move and the lighting to drastically change, that's not realistic. :p
 
Chobel

Chobel

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Speedy Blue Dude said:
I'm at the point where I don't even care anymore if its not 1080p. Guess I hit the stage acceptance. :p

As long as Microsoft pushes Turn 10 and 343 to do 1080p, aka the developers making the only games I'm buying the Xbox One for, I'm happy.


Also, what's this with people saying Forza 5 has no AA? It does. Also Pre-Baked lighting =/= bad. I'd prefer Real Time but having dealt with Pre - Baked for years, I don't even care. :p It's a track you're racing on for 4 minutes, I don't expect the sun to move and the lighting to drastically change, that's not realistic. :p
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Some people (insiders) here hinted that Halo 5 is 900p.
 
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BPoole

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Espada said:
You're getting ahead of yourself. Most people don't even have 1080p sets, and you're expecting them to buy into 4K so much that they're a relevant part o the market? Even when there's so little 4K content available? Come on.

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see if this rumor is true. Going by the other cross gen games out there it may have some truth to it. I wonder if it's 720p or 900p.
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The general public may not own 4k displays, but gamers tend to have higher end electronics than your typical person. Look at how many went out and bought 1080p screens when 1080p support was low. Once good 4k displays hit mainstream market prices (and not those crappy 30Hz 4k screens), people are going to be buying them.
 
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Jobbs

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I'm becoming more and more tempted to figure out if I can afford an xbone this year -- partly because I really want dead rising 3. There'll be other exclusives too.

So -- It just seems like, as of now, PS4 will be the "main" console for multiplats and so forth, but xbone would be there as well to play what needs to be played.

In short...

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Knoxcore

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Alchemy said:
Resolution is part of the game. Games are the sum of their parts, and while it won't make a game play worse if it runs at a lower resolution, it does make the game better if it runs at a higher resolution. People wouldn't flip their shit over Dolphin running Mario Galaxy if it wasn't the case.
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Of course resolution is part of the game but it does not impact gameplay, which ultimately is what matters. In fact I think the frame rate matters more than resolution. If developers have to make compromises to resolution to keep up frame rate then they should. Are you really trying to tell me the minute differences we have seen in BF4 and COD matters when they both run at 50-60fps? They don't. People are not concerned about which character head has more detail or which wall has better textures or which chair creates the better shadows. It's about the gameplay and the fluidity of that gameplay. Do I prefer 1080p? Hell yes! I notice the difference in detail sitting 8 feet away from my 60" HDTV (I'm an audio and videophile). But, I think buyers of the Xbox One should be happy with the results of the upresed 720p image because they are not nearly as bad as some people would have you believe.
 
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R10Neymarfan

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Speedy Blue Dude said:
I'm at the point where I don't even care anymore if its not 1080p. Guess I hit the stage acceptance. :p

As long as Microsoft pushes Turn 10 and 343 to do 1080p, aka the developers making the only games I'm buying the Xbox One for, I'm happy.


Also, what's this with people saying Forza 5 has no AA? It does. Also Pre-Baked lighting =/= bad. I'd prefer Real Time but having dealt with Pre - Baked for years, I don't even care. :p It's a track you're racing on for 4 minutes, I don't expect the sun to move and the lighting to drastically change, that's not realistic. :p
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Because of this complacency encourages Microsoft to get away with stuff. It does matter. 720p and pre-baked lighting is so 6 years ago. Time to evolve
 
gioGAF

gioGAF

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This isn't really anything to talk about. If the rumor was that ACIV was 1080p on xbone, that would be unexpected. This "rumor" is just status quo.
 
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Amused

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Takuan said:
I wonder where we'll be a year or two from now when games are no longer rushed port jobs?
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I hope Microsoft will be able put this behind them, and accept that 1080p might just be pushing it a bit too far. If they start to constantly sacrifice other stuff in their games to keep up with PS4 in the numbers-game they will lose. The PS4 will have the better looking games as far as resolution goes, but as the years go by they will probably drop the resolution to do other cool stuff instead. And that's fine.

Microsoft should consentrate on their strenghts. So far they have just contributed to keeping resolutiongate alive, and that really isn't to their benifit at all.
 
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dripdripsplash

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Special C said:
Ok, Xbox One has inferior graphics. Fact. As an Xbox One buyer, this kinda sucks but I still think it's the better console overall for my tastes, and that's ok. The hysteria is getting ridiculous. Just accept the fact that it's the inferior console graphically and enjoy your purchase. Don't let all the quips get you bothered, let other people enjoy their PS4.

Seriously, it's OK to still like the X1 and admit that it is inferior graphically. I promise.
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Hey there... Easy. You're going the easy route of logic and actually being an adult. That doesn't work here.
 
Chobel

Chobel

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Knoxcore said:
Of course resolution is part of the game but it does not impact gameplay, which ultimately is what matters. In fact I think the frame rate matters more than resolution. If developers have to make compromises to resolution to keep up frame rate then they should. Are you really trying to tell me the minute differences we have seen in BF4 and COD matters when they both run at 50-60fps? They don't. People are not concerned about which character head has more detail or which wall has better textures or which chair creates the better shadows. It's about the gameplay and the fluidity of that gameplay. Do I prefer 1080p? Hell yes! I notice the difference in detail sitting 8 feet away from my 60" HDTV (I'm an audio and videophile). But, I think buyers of the Xbox One should be happy with the results of the upresed 720p image because they are not nearly as bad as some people would have you believe.
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Resolution matters in shooter games and enhance gameplay, because the objects that are far from the player will appear better in screen at higher resolution. Assuming the framerate stays good of course.
 
digoutyoursoul

digoutyoursoul

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SpinTheBluCircle said:
Yes.

This is especially true when 8 out of 10 games most people buy will be multiplats.
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Let's be honest, a lot of people here and gaming in general bought certain Playstation 3 mutiplats that ran inferior to its cheaper competitor. They paid that money for a inferior version.

And now you have folks who have no intentions of purchasing the system anyway going on daily about this.
 
Asherdude

Asherdude

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Chobel said:
Resolution matters in shooter games and enhance gameplay, because the objects that are far from the player will appear better in screen at higher resolution. Assuming the framerate stays good of course.
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Jaggies will give it a retro look.
 
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Primedoughnut

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well using a totally un-scientific approach of flicking between two youtube videos, there does seem to be a very subtle resolution difference between the game HUDS but it is subtle...

However The XB1 version seems to have a lot more fogging on the horizon cutting the draw distance down when compared to the PS4 version...

like I said not very scientific...

XB1 video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygXFUheTBn4

PS4 video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0b_tb0xCjs

update : it's just the lighting on the XB1 version giving the illusion of fogging... so just forget this one...
 
meanspartan

meanspartan

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CoG said:
Was it ever a question it would not be 1080p? Xbone cannot even do KI -- two characters against a largely static background in 1080p.
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True enough, but Forza is getting 1080p60 right? Not really a racing game fan myself, but the videos I've seen from Gamersyde certainly aren't ugly...So maybe with some work, the Xbone can still crank out the pixels despite being significantly weaker than the Ps4.
 
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crazygambit

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Heysoos said:
What? They never did this, their whole stance has been that the gap is not as big as people say it is. I'm not saying they're right, but don't just make things up. Unless I'm missing some big claim by some PR person but I've never once seen them claim that they're more powerful.
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But the gap is as big as people say. Also you can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p no matter what Microsoft would like you to believe.

They need to drop the whole power angle and focus on the other strengths of the machine. Maybe that big ass camera that comes packed in and is a big part of the reason of the lower specs and higher price.
 
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Tidus_Great

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MS really dug their own grave by forcing Kinect on people. They should have built a more powerful machine instead and just left kinect as a side item for casuals.
 
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Heysoos

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crazygambit said:
But the gap is as big as people say. Also you can definitely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p no matter what Microsoft would like you to believe.

They need to drop the whole power angle and focus on the other strengths of the machine. Maybe that big ass camera that comes packed in and is a big part of the reason of the lower specs and higher price.
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That's fine, I think the gap is there, but my point was that they never once claimed that their console was stronger, that's all.
 
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Knoxcore

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Chobel said:
Resolution matters in shooter games and enhance gameplay, because the objects that are far from the player will appear better in screen at higher resolution. Assuming the framerate stays good of course.
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And someone can see their target better on a 60" screen than a 20" screen.

CoD was sub 720p during this generation. I certainly had no problem seeing who I was shooting when I played on the PS3 or 360. Resolution would only be a problem if the pool of players had different resolution. Even then the problem would be so small that it wouldn't even matter.
 
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ChainsawFilms

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Knoxcore said:
I'm not going to argue about resolution. It's a waste of time and frankly a pointless debate designed to continue a pointless "console war." Fact is, I have NEVER bought a game based on how many pixels it can render and chances are the vast majority of consumers don't either. I'm am not denying there are resolution differences between these two consoles (I'm a PlayStation fanboy and I'm getting a PS4--of course the PS4 has higher resolution games), but to chalk these differences as some sort of system selling bullet point is disingenuous. It's not.
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Wouldn't people buy a console, or choose which console version of a game to buy, based on visuals though? Many may be oblivious to the technical side of things, but of course people buy games based on "how many pixels it can render" even if that's not the way they would explain that choice. "That looks amazing! I'm buying that!"
 
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Appleman

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Knoxcore said:
And someone can see their target better on a 60" screen than a 20" screen.

CoD was sub 720p during this generation. I certainly had no problem seeing who I was shooting when I played on the PS3 or 360. Resolution would only be a problem if the pool of players had different resolution. Even then the problem would be so small that it wouldn't even matter.
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I've had trouble seeing distant enemies in Ghosts on PS3 already, especially in split screen.

Know what the funny thing is though? Each player in two-player split screen on PS4 gets more pixels for their view than a player playing solo on the Xbox One.
 
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cpp_is_king

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The only people saying this isn't a big deal are people who can't bear to deal with the fact that Xbox is less powerful than PS4.

Of course it makes a difference. Upscaling is not the same as having native hi-res textures. It's so obvious and such a straightforward concept that it's embarassing that some people are even arguing this.

If people want to buy Xbox One because they have brand loyalty, or because they like the TV / media features of the Xbox, go for it. You have everyone's blessing. But don't lie to yourselves about why you're doing it.
 
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Knoxcore

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ChainsawFilms said:
Wouldn't people buy a console, or choose which console version of a game to buy, based on visuals though? Many may be oblivious to the technical side of things, but of course people buy games based on "how many pixels it can render" even if that's not the way they would explain that choice. "That looks amazing! I'm buying that!"
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You have boiled down this resolution debate to its core...this is about which console is better. When people see CoD, BF4, etc playing at a higher resolution on the PS4 than the XBO people see it as validation that the PS4 is "better" than the XBO. This is what this faux debate is about. As I have said before, resolution is a proxy battle in the larger "console war." As a gamer, I can give a rats ass about a console war.

I've said my peace on resolution. I'm done..
 
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Piggus

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Speedy Blue Dude said:
I'm at the point where I don't even care anymore if its not 1080p. Guess I hit the stage acceptance. :p

As long as Microsoft pushes Turn 10 and 343 to do 1080p, aka the developers making the only games I'm buying the Xbox One for, I'm happy.


Also, what's this with people saying Forza 5 has no AA? It does. Also Pre-Baked lighting =/= bad. I'd prefer Real Time but having dealt with Pre - Baked for years, I don't even care. :p It's a track you're racing on for 4 minutes, I don't expect the sun to move and the lighting to drastically change, that's not realistic. :p
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Pre-baked lighting means no time of day transitions, which is a standard feature of most racing sims these days.
 
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mjc

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cpp_is_king said:
The only people saying this isn't a big deal are people who can't bear to deal with the fact that Xbox is less powerful than PS4.

Of course it makes a difference. Upscaling is not the same as having native hi-res textures. It's so obvious and such a straightforward concept that it's embarassing that some people are even arguing this.

If people want to buy Xbox One because they have brand loyalty, or because they like the TV / media features of the Xbox, go for it. You have everyone's blessing. But don't lie to yourselves about why you're doing it.
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So I'm not buying it because there's games coming to it that look fun to play. Got it. This is ridiculous. It sucks that these launch games aren't at 1080p but I don't particularly care. You seem to care a whole lot more.
 
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