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Half of chapters in Ryse beaten in 90 minutes ?

Tomcat

Member
So we have a claim that someone played half the chapters in 90mins, but the developer explicitly says that this is wrong and that the game is 6.5 to 8.5 hours long.

The developer is called a liar because that information is inconvenient.

How is thread even still going?

somehow bad news are always taken as a fact from many in here
 
Speedruns should be proof for anyone that game play time length is a meaningless metric.
It's so very dependent on personal play style and not something that can be quantified.
 

kevlar35

Banned
The developer is called an exaggerator because these things are exaggerated.

But there is no evidence of that in this case. The website making the claim didn't even play the whole game.

You may choose to believe that the developer is lying (or exaggerating as you put it), but that's only based on what you want to be true, not on any established fact.
 

Nessus

Member
Remember when Beyond Good And Evil was completely eviscerated for only being around 10-12 hours long? And then most games this past gen were 8-10 hours long and no one batted an eyelash?

Sub-7 hour games become a common thing this gen? They'll look pretty at least, even if you can't interact with the environments at all.
 

kevlar35

Banned
Speedruns should be proof for anyone that game play time length is a meaningless metric.
It's so very dependent on personal play style and not something that can be quantified.

6.5 to 8.5 hours seems like a reasonable spread of times to allow for different basic play styles in a normal playthrough.

Speed runs are not typical of normal use so have no bearing on this discussion.
 

Skeff

Member
But there is no evidence of that in this case. The website making the claim didn't even play the whole game.

You may choose to believe that the developer is lying (or exaggerating as you put it), but that's only based on what you want to be true, not on any established fact.

Actually I want Ryse to be about 8 hours so I guess that put's your second point in the completely wrong category. Ryse is on my "buy when I buy XB1" list
 

kevlar35

Banned
Actually I want Ryse to be about 8 hours so I guess that put's your second point in the completely wrong category. Ryse is on my "buy when I buy XB1" list

Well then you should be happy. At this point there's no serious evidence that the game is unduly short.
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
I have to admit, European prices really go a long way towards deterring me from buy games like this at launch. I mean, they're asking almost $100 USD for Ryse in Europe. How fucked is that?
 

Bleem

Neo Member
Not if the previews are anything to go by...

Really? A lot of the previews have been fairly positive. Agree there have been some negative opinions but most of them relate to the older build shown at E3 - most of the recent previews have said they are pleasantly surprised...

Still, it's not a game at the top of my wanted list - perhaps once it hits £25 i'll take a punt.
 

TheKayle

Banned
Yeah, Ryse will def do better. It may be a turd but at least it looks good which probably makes it a bit more exciting.

exactly ..graphically talking is the best looking game of the launch for both platform (and if for u is not....coz i know someone will call kz in...both kz and ryse are the best...)

is just on another planet than knack
 

TheKayle

Banned
Not if the previews are anything to go by...

dont compare ryse ..with that "thing" pls....just looking at the tech behind...this games are uncomparable


but then im not understanding...resogun (the most hot title ps4 have at launch) is just 5 lvl why nobody is bored?
 

Skeff

Member
I have to admit, European prices really go a long way towards deterring me from buy games like this at launch. I mean, they're asking almost $100 USD for Ryse in Europe. How fucked is that?

At 5 hours, that would be $20 an hour if you only had one play through. double the cost per hour of a disposable bluray.

Well then you should be happy. At this point there's no serious evidence that the game is unduly short.

IMO if a developer says a game is between 6.5 and 8.5 then it's usually 4/5. I won't be payin full price though so it doesn't really matter as much to me.

dont compare ryse ..with that "thing" pls....just locking at the tech behind...this games are uncomparable


but then im not understanding...resogun (the most hot title ps4 have at launch) is just 5 lvl why nobody is bored?

Your right, one uses next gen GPGPU physics.

It's not just the campaign length that is in question, there is also the matter of replayability, Battlefield Campaign is 4 hours long but it is mainly a multiplayer focused game, If your buying BF4 for the single player then I'd advise that it is not a good investment on launch day.

Resogun is different again, for a start, it is much cheaper than Ryse, in fact free for PS+, Also it is a high score challenge game, Games such as do-donpachi radiant silvergun and ikaruga are also very short but the fan base play them again and again in the quest for high scores.

Ryse is focused as a single player cinematic experience, the combination of this with a short campaign is the problem, not just the length of the campaign in isolation.
 

kevlar35

Banned
I have to admit, European prices really go a long way towards deterring me from buy games like this at launch. I mean, they're asking almost $100 USD for Ryse in Europe. How fucked is that?

Those prices are a disgrace. I'd definitely wait for a review if I was you.
 

TheKayle

Banned
At 5 hours, that would be $20 an hour if you only had one play through. double the cost per hour of a disposable bluray.



IMO if a developer says a game is between 6.5 and 8.5 then it's usually 4/5. I won't be payin full price though so it doesn't really matter as much to me.



Your right, one uses next gen GPGPU physics.

It's not just the campaign length that is in question, there is also the matter of replayability, Battlefield Campaign is 4 hours long but it is mainly a multiplayer focused game, If your buying BF4 for the single player then I'd advise that it is not a good investment on launch day.

Resogun is different again, for a start, it is much cheaper than Ryse, in fact free for PS+, Also it is a high score challenge game, Games such as do-donpachi radiant silvergun and ikaruga are also very short but the fan base play them again and again in the quest for high scores.

Ryse is focused as a single player cinematic experience, the combination of this with a short campaign is the problem, not just the length of the campaign in isolation.

man dont try to help knack...is embarassing....we all know that graphically was nothing of special..someone tried to defend it but..nothing more......reviewers told us that other than "next gen feeling " that there wasnt ...also the gameplay in itself is ...just ..a "no"..a fail all long the line...

i dont know how will end ryse...maybe will be boring (in line of every crytek game)..but technically ...ryse is a WOW..you can feel it in every screenshot...

resogun was the only hook sony have to save the launch line up....and when ur hook is a free indie game...well ...something gone bad...

if the launch lineup of the ps4 gone in that way dosnt mean that xb1 must follow....i remember that the lineup of the xb1 have differents titles.....ryse ..deadrising3...forza5...Zoo Tycoo..killer instinct...powerstar golf...crimson dragon....is hard to me (if not for a hardware debuckle of the xb1 as it was the rrod) that the launch will go bad as the ps4 ...is very very hard

and said that..theres no real proof that the lenght of ryse is this short
 

bunbun777

Member
I came in here to see what was up with the length of Ryse and find theKayle taking potshots at almost all the ps4 launch titles...lol. I have to go back a bit I guess for the context.
 

iJudged

Banned
Are we still shitting on developers or do we have some concrete, firm evidence that this game is indeed 12 minutes long? I understand that many of you want to see it bomb for the obvious reasons, but how about we wait for the reviews since even the word from the developers doesn't mean jack but somehow the website we never heard of is credible?

The hate is strong on GAF today.
 

Eliciel

Member
preorder cancelled. Not going to play if gametime <10 hrs. I want a plot I want drama, wtf ....it's ancient rome, ancient greece. Are you kiddin' me? There is sooo much plot. I don't get it, why only this short?
 

Black Hat

Member
ryse is a WOW..you can feel it in every screenshot...

The feel of next-gen screenshots. Heh.

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ParityBit

Member
Are we still shitting on developers or do we have some concrete, firm evidence that this game is indeed 12 minutes long? I understand that many of you want to see it bomb for the obvious reasons, but how about we wait for the reviews since even the word from the developers doesn't mean jack but somehow the website we never heard of is credible?

The hate is strong on GAF today.

Its the same people over and over in any thread about the XB1. People who can not afford both consoles want to crap on the other rather than being able to enjoy what they have. It's really lame and childish.

Buy both consoles, enjoy both consoles. I want games on both to be as awesome as they can be, so I can play as many awesome games as I can. I could care less about Sony and MS. They are corporations which I hope pay/treat their employees well.
 

iJudged

Banned
Its the same people over and over in any thread about the XB1. People who can not afford both consoles want to crap on the other rather than being able to enjoy what they have. It's really lame and childish.

Buy both consoles, enjoy both consoles. I want games on both to be as awesome as they can be, so I can play as many awesome games as I can. I could care less about Sony and MS. They are corporations which I hope pay/treat their employees well.

I don't disagree, but you have to admit it happens on both systems, back and forth, it is to be expected I just can not stand blind fanboys, I am allergic lol. Give credit where credit is due, not here particularly but In general, don't hope for one game to fail just because it is on a particular system. All I's sayin'.
 

ParityBit

Member
I don't disagree, but you have to admit it happens on both systems, back and forth, it is to be expected I just can not stand blind fanboys, I am allergic lol. Give credit where credit is due, not here particularly but In general, don't hope for one game to fail just because it is on a particular system. All I's sayin'.

Yes. But that is rational thought! You don't get that from fanboys. Just filter out the banter, that's the best you can do. Let them fight for their corporation. Those of us who are not fanboys can enjoy everything :)
 

taylor910

Member
Its the same people over and over in any thread about the XB1. People who can not afford both consoles want to crap on the other rather than being able to enjoy what they have. It's really lame and childish.

Buy both consoles, enjoy both consoles. I want games on both to be as awesome as they can be, so I can play as many awesome games as I can. I could care less about Sony and MS. They are corporations which I hope pay/treat their employees well.

Unfortunately it isn't contained to just thread crapping. Especially when you see mods changing other thread titles multiple times in a matter of hours (see polygon threads), while this one sits for a day.
 

Alpende

Member
I have to admit, European prices really go a long way towards deterring me from buy games like this at launch. I mean, they're asking almost $100 USD for Ryse in Europe. How fucked is that?

You could also say that Ryse costs 44 euros in the US compared to 60 euros in Europe.
 
Mods need to change the title, so quick to lock that thread on ms buying titanfall based on info from zampella so why is this any different? Information from the design director and yet It's been left for ages.

I have to admit, European prices really go a long way towards deterring me from buy games like this at launch. I mean, they're asking almost $100 USD for Ryse in Europe. How fucked is that?

You make it seem like Ryse is priced higher than other games. MS rrp for their games is £50, if you really want to go there sonys is £55. Take £5 off each for what retailers are actually selling them for and you have the prices you can buy them for. On a personal level I ordered Ryse and dr3 from game with a voucher and got them for £38 each. Price drops happen, vouchers, Ryse is no more expensive than any other game
 

eshwaaz

Member
Remember when Beyond Good And Evil was completely eviscerated for only being around 10-12 hours long? And then most games this past gen were 8-10 hours long and no one batted an eyelash?

Sub-7 hour games become a common thing this gen? They'll look pretty at least, even if you can't interact with the environments at all.
That's already been distressingly common. Many action games are under 6 hours. I know a lot of people here hate equating length with value, but as expensive as games are, it's not an unreasonable thing to factor into your purchasing decisions.
 
That's already been distressingly common. Many action games are under 6 hours. I know a lot of people here hate equating length with value, but as expensive as games are, it's not an unreasonable thing to factor into your purchasing decisions.
It's because of the focus on teh graphicz. Lots more unique assets each level.

Graphics that weren't too hot but resulted in cool, exploration-heavy games like Deus Ex Human Revolution and Dishonored. Ok, Zeno Clash 2 is kind of insane with the unique assets, characters, locations but that's the exception for not-so-graphically gorgeous games.
 

Daedardus

Member
Mods need to change the title, so quick to lock that thread on ms buying titanfall based on info from zampella so why is this any different? Information from the design director and yet It's been left for ages.

To be honest, the design director has as much credibility as the journalist when it comes to these kinds of things.
 

nynt9

Member
man dont try to help knack...is embarassing....we all know that graphically was nothing of special..someone tried to defend it but..nothing more......reviewers told us that other than "next gen feeling " that there wasnt ...also the gameplay in itself is ...just ..a "no"..a fail all long the line...

i dont know how will end ryse...maybe will be boring (in line of every crytek game)..but technically ...ryse is a WOW..you can feel it in every screenshot...

resogun was the only hook sony have to save the launch line up....and when ur hook is a free indie game...well ...something gone bad...

if the launch lineup of the ps4 gone in that way dosnt mean that xb1 must follow....i remember that the lineup of the xb1 have differents titles.....ryse ..deadrising3...forza5...Zoo Tycoo..killer instinct...powerstar golf...crimson dragon....is hard to me (if not for a hardware debuckle of the xb1 as it was the rrod) that the launch will go bad as the ps4 ...is very very hard

and said that..theres no real proof that the lenght of ryse is this short

Because indie games aren't real games, right?
 

shaowebb

Member
Another testament to my staunch belief that graphics over gameplay in terms of design is a major mistake in this industry.

Make the game fun then pretty it up. Dont make a pretty movie then try to force it into pretending its a game.
 

Narroo

Member
Games such as do-donpachi radiant silvergun and ikaruga are also very short but the fan base play them again and again in the quest for high scores.

Not quite true. Those games are also very hard. People like me replay them over and over simply in an attempt to beat them in one credit. Ikaruga gives you a limited amount of credits, so I haven't properly beaten the game yet!
 

Hyunashi

Member
Yeah, Ryse will def do better. It may be a turd but at least it looks good which probably makes it a bit more exciting.

Killzone looking good itself didn't help it much.

I fully expect Ryse to have polarizing opinions and scores. Its going to be a hit for some people, but will also be a miss for others. And if the previews are anything to go by, it isnt looking good for the game.
 

C.Dark.DN

Banned
man dont try to help knack...is embarassing....we all know that graphically was nothing of special..someone tried to defend it but..nothing more......reviewers told us that other than "next gen feeling " that there wasnt ...also the gameplay in itself is ...just ..a "no"..a fail all long the line...
Eh, I'm more interested in playing Knack than Ryse. Especially about watching Twitch streams. The reviews are not correct about the gameplay.
 

GorillaJu

Member
man dont try to help knack...is embarassing....we all know that graphically was nothing of special..someone tried to defend it but..nothing more......reviewers told us that other than "next gen feeling " that there wasnt ...also the gameplay in itself is ...just ..a "no"..a fail all long the line...

i dont know how will end ryse...maybe will be boring (in line of every crytek game)..but technically ...ryse is a WOW..you can feel it in every screenshot...

resogun was the only hook sony have to save the launch line up....and when ur hook is a free indie game...well ...something gone bad...

if the launch lineup of the ps4 gone in that way dosnt mean that xb1 must follow....i remember that the lineup of the xb1 have differents titles.....ryse ..deadrising3...forza5...Zoo Tycoo..killer instinct...powerstar golf...crimson dragon....is hard to me (if not for a hardware debuckle of the xb1 as it was the rrod) that the launch will go bad as the ps4 ...is very very hard

and said that..theres no real proof that the lenght of ryse is this short

You sound depressed as fuck. Do you swallow ellipses in pill form?
 

bud

Member
man dont try to help knack...is embarassing....we all know that graphically was nothing of special..someone tried to defend it but..nothing more......reviewers told us that other than "next gen feeling " that there wasnt ...also the gameplay in itself is ...just ..a "no"..a fail all long the line...

i dont know how will end ryse...maybe will be boring (in line of every crytek game)..but technically ...ryse is a WOW..you can feel it in every screenshot...

resogun was the only hook sony have to save the launch line up....and when ur hook is a free indie game...well ...something gone bad...

if the launch lineup of the ps4 gone in that way dosnt mean that xb1 must follow....i remember that the lineup of the xb1 have differents titles.....ryse ..deadrising3...forza5...Zoo Tycoo..killer instinct...powerstar golf...crimson dragon....is hard to me (if not for a hardware debuckle of the xb1 as it was the rrod) that the launch will go bad as the ps4 ...is very very hard

and said that..theres no real proof that the lenght of ryse is this short

... you write articles for a living?
 
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