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Forza 5: The monetization is even worse than you think.
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Nightengale
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Man, if this is going to be a trend in racing sims for years to come, I'm going to boycott racing sims altogether.
I speak only for myself, but racing sims to me have always been like an orchestra. It always felt like a work of passion built from amazing visionaries like Kaz or Dan, both leading their simulator dream in different directions, but with the same amount of passion.
I can tolerate a little bit of micro in-games ever since Candy Crush, but fuck it if games are going to literally whisper in my ears to buy DLC or tokens.
I speak only for myself, but racing sims to me have always been like an orchestra. It always felt like a work of passion built from amazing visionaries like Kaz or Dan, both leading their simulator dream in different directions, but with the same amount of passion.
I can tolerate a little bit of micro in-games ever since Candy Crush, but fuck it if games are going to literally whisper in my ears to buy DLC or tokens.
Spotless Mind
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The gaming media should be up in arms about this. These types of practices need to be vilified. That this is coming from the platform holder makes it extra sleazy.
Between the season pass, abysmal lack of tracks and the monetization mess I can't believe we still have people in here defending this game. It's a spit in the face of forza fans, as long as its flying off shelves, MS/T10 are gonna keep pushing the envelope to see how much they can get away with. I mean ALL the content in iRacing runs you about $600 with a full year sub, while if you purchased all the content in this game it runs you upwards of 3k? SMMFH
I'm gonna wait till next week to see how GT6 handles its micro transactions. If seasonals pay out as much as GT5 does and the credit to real money ratio is reasonable then micro transactions is fine by me as I don't care for the career part of game, its 100% online for me. If the game progress is artificially gimped just to get you to spend money on credits then I'm skipping it all together and re-up my iracing sub.
I'm gonna wait till next week to see how GT6 handles its micro transactions. If seasonals pay out as much as GT5 does and the credit to real money ratio is reasonable then micro transactions is fine by me as I don't care for the career part of game, its 100% online for me. If the game progress is artificially gimped just to get you to spend money on credits then I'm skipping it all together and re-up my iracing sub.
Sorc3r3r
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In arms?
No, but make the gamers aware of this absolutely, inform and let them to decide.
As for the topic, it seems that the game has been reshaped to encourage these transactions, that's the bad thing in my opinion.
As long as you are giving people with less time or dedication the possibility to litteraly buy their favourite cars i don't see any problem, but when you are forcing things to earn moar money then you are shady and in some ways you are betraing your fans.
bigDdestruction
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Nightengale
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Politifact ver.Gaming Reviews?
Mass Effect : "Your choices will matter!" => Pants of Fire. 1/10.
Forza: "Laser Scans!" => Pants on Fire. 2/10
staticneuron
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They shouldn't?
It is well within their rights. No one is forcing anyone to purchase anything. It is always up to the consumer to make a choice of whether they think it is worth it or not. You don't like the price? Don't purchase it. If someone wants to pay that, hurrah for them, but it affects no one but the consumer who decided to purchase this content.
Te sheer fact that it exist shouldn't bother you at all if you are not going to pay for it.
There is really no way they can do this without risking their job or coming off as bullshitters towing the company line.
Part of me feels bad for the developers working for MS that have to actively deal with this shit on a daily basis while they make a pretty solid video game overall. Sad that this garbage is just a necessary evil for their First Party games now.
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Deleted member 10571
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And what exactly should they say? "We're sorry, it's not our fault"? "Yeah, we're 100% behind that, so suck it"? "Oh god we hate our game"?
If anything, they should stay the hell out of this thread and maybe send a link to their Community Management team.
Dan's interviewing his brother!
That will cost you 30 of your finest FPS and 360 or so P's, good sir. As a bonus, we'll throw in some sharpening for absolutely FREE!
Such a lazy and wrong argument. Even if you are not going to pay for it it can be reasonable to be upset for a couple reasons. Maybe you like what the game is doing, but don't want to support the particular practise, so you don't buy the game even though you like most of it. Maybe you don't want it to become the prevalent model, which may happen if other people support it well. Or maybe you just don't like seeing people fleeced since it has not exactly been well described in mainstream media.
Don't talk common sense in here.....
Marketplace is coming soon and I'm almost positive you can buy liveries from ppl and tuning setups. There are even achievements for them
This thread just screams of ppl who never wanted too or will ever play Forza 5. They see something something microtransacions and OMFG AHHHH GAMING IS DEAD.
Gaining credits is easy, I've played for maybe 2 hours tops and 45 mins of that is actual racing. I have 300k already. This thread needs a enema.
geordiemp
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Only DLC I have ever bought is borderlands as it reviewed well and looked good value.
Don't do games with micro transactions where I have to pay too much. I usually wait until games are out for a couple of months and dropped to £ 30.
I can easily afford (2x Ps3 and 2 x 360 in house, maybe 200 games) but its principal and you have to draw the line as there are enough games.
Lets hope these pubs suffer in sales and learn a lesson - Look at Humble KILLZONE offering free DLC. Just seems they want to be liked as much as make money..
Don't do games with micro transactions where I have to pay too much. I usually wait until games are out for a couple of months and dropped to £ 30.
I can easily afford (2x Ps3 and 2 x 360 in house, maybe 200 games) but its principal and you have to draw the line as there are enough games.
Lets hope these pubs suffer in sales and learn a lesson - Look at Humble KILLZONE offering free DLC. Just seems they want to be liked as much as make money..
staticneuron
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So basically you are saying it is out of principle that you are trying to argue against choice.
The freedom of the devs to try this method, and the choice of the consumer to want to partake in the offer.
You do know that being fleeced means to be cheated. This is very upfront. It is either you spend time to get what you want or spend money to get instant gratification.
There is nothing about this situation that warrants a reaction that implies that they are doing something wrong. At the end of the day, if people buy into this, it will go forward.
EDIT: Just for the record here. I don't purchase shortcuts but I don't like the idea that taking that choice away from people is a good thing.
I bought into previous Forza games because they were great Racing Sims with a ton of content, well produced and supported. $60 games that I felt comfortable paying for. Now I look at this and feel cheapened, the Forza series is now gimped and compromised to support their terrible Premium model. I can't pay 60 bucks and get an awesome and complete Forza experience anymore, I have to deal with all this bullshit. That's what bothers me, the only precedent to make Forza like this was Microsoft's greed.
Zabant
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As someone who does not buy DLC, this basically means I'm no longer getting content I had access to before in previous versions for my $60.
They are holding the popular high profile cars people would want for ransom. If one out of ten people pony up for that bugatti because money is no object to them, then it's all been justified. If this is how they want to do it just sell each car and track individually and make the game free.
Of course they wont actually do this as it's just opening the door for GT or NFS:Shift to take their entire audience
This is incredibly Anti-consumer and does nothing but set themselves up for failure if they plan on selling more games for $60, gamers don't forget, especially ones on a tight budget.
They are holding the popular high profile cars people would want for ransom. If one out of ten people pony up for that bugatti because money is no object to them, then it's all been justified. If this is how they want to do it just sell each car and track individually and make the game free.
Of course they wont actually do this as it's just opening the door for GT or NFS:Shift to take their entire audience
This is incredibly Anti-consumer and does nothing but set themselves up for failure if they plan on selling more games for $60, gamers don't forget, especially ones on a tight budget.
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Deleted member 10571
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Huh, if there's any audience that forgets within seconds, it's gamers. I can't even tell how often I've read things like "Wow, I'll never buy that EA/Ubisoft/Microsoft/random other company blockbuster series again!" and hey, the next installment still has 5 OTs and 2 community threads.
We're literally in an Xbox One thread right now, talking about Xbox One games. A console almost nobody on GAF wanted to support "even if they would cut the DRM/Kinect/whatever crap".
Doomshroom
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I hate shit like this and can't trust reviews for shit. Giving this a 5 out 5 my ass. Why is not every gaming site reporting on this? Infact this should hit the press, get on your twitter accounts and tell the world Gaf.
I don't know why everyone is complaining. Do you know how much money goes into these AAA games? They need to scale it against what the iPad app store charges for their ingame purchases.
Well shit, when you put it that way, I should feel bad for Forza 5, they had to put so much content in their game, and people just get to play it with a one time fee. As gamers, we should be supporting these generous companies by purchasing as much ancillary content and microtransaction purchases as possible. I am practically taking food off the game developers tables by not buying Token packs and DLC cars that take 2-3 extra purchases to access. I apologize profusely.
Yeah, Sessler really dropped the ball for not making a fuss out of this (he's made a bigger deal out of much smaller issues before)
Glad I waited a bit, can't trust any reviewer anymore.
Send them a cheque
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Deleted member 10571
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I don't know why everyone is complaining. Do you know how much money goes into these AAA games? They need to scale it against what the iPad app store charges for their ingame purchases.
Difference being those games don't cost a dollar to play while the companies running and maintaining them often being not that much smaller than your average "AAA" companies.
SkullHydra
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If one of the cars cost 6,000,000 credits, then you will need to spend twenty times as long in order to buy one car. (Granted, it's the most expensive one) That's 15 hours of nonstop racing. And that's only if you don't spend any of it along the way.
That's ridiculous.
I wonder how much the upgrades cost for the really expensive cars. Getting rid of Car Brand Affinity altogether is such a dick move.
What's "upfront" about labeling the two MOST EXPENSIVE PER-COIN purchase methods "Recommended" and "Great value"?
Get the game for free to review it, purchase a Token pack or two to test out the Premium model for research, write off the microtransaction on your taxes for a work related expense. You got yourself a pretty nice Forza experience for $0.
This is pretty much the only Xbone game I was excited about. Really hope DriveClub and GT7 won't be as bad. DLC and microtransations are really getting out of hand.
EDIT: Dang, I just read about them taking away the prize cars when you level up. That was my favorite part of the Forza games...
EDIT: Dang, I just read about them taking away the prize cars when you level up. That was my favorite part of the Forza games...
fabricated backlash
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It saddens me to see this.
andromeduck
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Good luck with that lol.
Open it, play it, put some time into it, report back with your feelings and experiences. Helps to get an honest perspective on something that everyone is so skeptical and cynical about.
H3rTz DoNuT
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They didn't, you just get +% (amount depends on affinity level) to credits after race instead of free upgrades.
Dual Blade
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I am extremely disappointed in the gaming media. Almost everyone ignored this in their review and their score. This is HUGE IMO and this in game purchase requirement is just ridiculous.
You know how hard it is to talk while cumming in your customer's ass?
H3rTz DoNuT
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No it's not lol
Always-honest
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I will never ever participate in something like that.
Where in today's game reviews do they discuss "value for money"?
What version of the game did the reviewers play? The version we all get prior to microtransactions? Or do they just get everything for free? Or are they using the company credit card for the DLC etc. I really think there needs to be some transparency here. They should be saying 'we ended up spending an extra $50 on top to get maximum enjoyment out of the game' and then pundits know that if they want the best experience in a certain game they should be prepared to spend that extra $50.
What version of the game did the reviewers play? The version we all get prior to microtransactions? Or do they just get everything for free? Or are they using the company credit card for the DLC etc. I really think there needs to be some transparency here. They should be saying 'we ended up spending an extra $50 on top to get maximum enjoyment out of the game' and then pundits know that if they want the best experience in a certain game they should be prepared to spend that extra $50.
GenericJoe
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How is it even legal for them to promote the 2700 token pack as "Great Deal" when it is literally the worst deal there? You can't even justify it as marketing spin, this is a flat out mathematical lie.
It's hilarious that $1690 of DLC in a $60 game is not the thing I find most disgusting about all this.
It's hilarious that $1690 of DLC in a $60 game is not the thing I find most disgusting about all this.
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