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[Netherscourge]

So the XB1 is basically Wally World.

"Sorry Folks! We're CLOSED for 1 Year to clean and repair America's Favorite Family Media Console!"

 

[GolazoDan]

J Allard's vision of the future was not always online but it was always clad in a suit jacket/hoodie combo.

FM and whoever else post rumours, news, whatever on here remind me of the people who run the fanzines outside the football matches I go to. The info that's in those little magazines is more specific, newsworthy and quite frankly juicy than the majority of the stuff that gets into the national press. Whether you choose to believe them or not is up to you - I have no idea who their sources are - but they're free to continue as they're correct more often than not.

 

[Curufinwe]

..no dude. Go to giantbomb, ign, polygon, gamespot, anyone who had a live stream on the day of release. The problem lies in migrating games, chat across the games and how it doesn't sync if someone leaves or changes state. THAT'S the broken stuff, that's why everyone's mad and there's a ton of documentation on it already. How it's being FIXED is up to rumor right now, but the issues at hand are plentiful and easy to find.

Some people would rather unload on the messenger that accept those facts.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

If there are OS issues that are going to be fixed then it's worthwhile to hear about them. I don't understand why people have to come into these threads and say that the info in the OP isn't worth posting. Isn't that a violation of the ToS? Is it so hard to just not read the thread if it insults you so much?

This may surprise you but there are a lot of people who are interested in buying these consoles but are waiting until many of the launch issues are ironed out. And threads like this one help people understand the extent of these issues better than all the 7.5s and 8s from the Polygons of the world. Yes, the issues will (hopefully) be solved but I don't think anyone should act like it's a foregone conclusion and therefore not worth talking about.

Maybe you should just avoid those topics.

Lets just be clear:- I have no horse in this race. I don't really care when the Xbone party chat is fixed because having used one, I have less than no interest in system baring a massive dump of exclusives in my favourite genres. I not taking any of this personally unlike soe in this thread

Nor am I say the information isn't worth posting. What I am saying, that this secondary source stuff is barely better than heresay and is going to gain far more negative traction than positive traction. At the end of the day unless you have solid, 100% undeniable proof, you are just preaching to the choir at this moment in time, so maybe its better to keep rumours like this local for a while.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

So you're not getting issues like in this video where the snap hangs and the game stops responding? Where the Xbox just refuses to respond to voice commands?

A lot of this video is just complaining - I've not had snap crash or fuck up at all. Poor video though, jeezus, the hosts are so bad.

 

[Soupstorm]

Is this the ass storm we were promised?

 

[Deleted member 47027]

Is this the ass storm we were promised?

There is no such thing.

 

[Mesoian]

There is no such thing.

That's what they say before it hits.

But no, this is not it.

 

[mocoworm]

It may also be worth putting his original quote from the original story I did on this in the OP as it explains in technical detail why the party system doesn't work.

You fail to quote the entirety of your original article where this informer told you that party chat was COMPLETELY broken, was DOA and could take months to sort out. You said you couldn't join parties, move parties around or cross game chat.

You know... all that FUD.

 

[Doug Heffernan]

Whatever it takes, just fix that shit.

 

[BronsonLee]

You fail to quote the entirety of your original article where this informer told you that party chat was COMPLETELY broken, was DOA and could take months to sort out. You said you couldn't move parties around or cross game chat.

You know... all that FUD.

I have some bad news.

 

[statham]

So the XB1 is basically Wally World.

"Sorry Folks! We're CLOSED for 1 Year to clean and repair America's Favorite Family Media Console!"

park is not closed, just pardon the dust signs.

 

[purpletentacle]

With every passing day i'm glad I jumped ship to the PS4 this gen.

Those who made the 360 great left Microsoft a long time ago.

 

[dude819]

..no dude. Go to giantbomb, ign, polygon, gamespot, anyone who had a live stream on the day of release. The problem lies in migrating games, chat across the games and how it doesn't sync if someone leaves or changes state. THAT'S the broken stuff, that's why everyone's mad and there's a ton of documentation on it already. How it's being FIXED is up to rumor right now, but the issues at hand are plentiful and easy to find.

I have an Xbox One and have never encountered these issues. Guess I, along with all my friends who have them, must be the lucky ones who got the batch from the future.

 

[LNBL]

Great, but Microsoft needs to release the console in Tier 2 first.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

I have an Xbox One and have never encountered these issues. Guess I, along with all my friends who have them, must be the lucky ones who got the batch from the future.

Same boat. Snap's been flawless for me and across parties, no issues yet.

 

[Zatoichi's Cane]

beta testing in the future

 

[Alpende]

I hope for them it doesn't take a year. What's been going on in that department.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I snapped youporn during my late night DR3 session a couple of nights ago...

Was...interesting to say the least.

 

[statham]

I snapped youporn during my late night DR3 session a couple of nights ago...

Was...interesting to say the least.

zombie porn, wonder if that exists...

Edit: It does.

 

[IN&OUT]

who said that MS is a good software company? like seriously!

Windows is plagued with installs and crashes since forever. Zune was horrible, Windows phone OS is lagging behind both Android and iOS. Hotmail is strangely slow and badly designed.

a half assed effort from apple on mac OS easily triumph anything MS has ever done with Windows (accessibility, efficiency).

 

[Marvel]

I snapped youporn during my late night DR3 session a couple of nights ago...

Was...interesting to say the least.

My man.

 

[polyh3dron]

Dat beta test

At least they were up front about it:

 

[Uno Venova]

You fail to quote the entirety of your original article where this informer told you that party chat was COMPLETELY broken, was DOA and could take months to sort out. You said you couldn't join parties, move parties around or cross game chat.

You know... all that FUD.

So you can stay in a party from the beginning and move around from game to game no problem? I thought I heard there was a lot of problems with that function.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

So you can stay in a party from the beginning and move around from game to game no problem? I thought I heard there was a lot of problems with that function.

I haven't had an issue and I've had about 4 people in a party, all doing different things and jumping back and forth. However who knows if it's a unique experience for me, or for others.

 

[MORT1S]

So you can stay in a party from the beginning and move around from game to game no problem? I thought I heard there was a lot of problems with that function.

I, personally do it every time I play, without issue.

I have been in a party while playing Dead Rising, switched to Killer Instinct, to Forza, and back without a single hitch.

 

[Seanspeed]

Yeah it works, and is just going to be improved. For some reason everyone without an Xbox One and their dog, thinks the system is completely broken.

Seems to be a theme here lately.

 

[famousmortimer]

I haven't had an issue and I've had about 4 people in a party, all doing different things and jumping back and forth. However who knows if it's a unique experience for me, or for others.

It is unique for everyone. The problem is that the new system needs to make each game and app interact and "handshake" when in a party. Most of the time for most people this will work just fine. But like anything else in networking, the more handshakes you need the more likely one of them is going to be fucked.

What I find insane in this thread isn't the people who don't believe me... that's fine and probably logical. But the people who just refuse to admit that the party system has problems at all when major Nelson himself made a statement about it today and promised it's being worked on. Do you not believe major Nelson either?

 

[Mononoke]

Some people would rather unload on the messenger that accept those facts.

As someone that has an X1 and really enjoys it, it's frustrating to see X1 fans say there aren't any problems. I want this stuff fixed. The lengths people are going to make excuses, and how far in denial some people are is insane.

 

[StoOgE]

..no dude. Go to giantbomb, ign, polygon, gamespot, anyone who had a live stream on the day of release. The problem lies in migrating games, chat across the games and how it doesn't sync if someone leaves or changes state. THAT'S the broken stuff, that's why everyone's mad and there's a ton of documentation on it already. How it's being FIXED is up to rumor right now, but the issues at hand are plentiful and easy to find.

Well, if you've seen a video....

 

[Enectic]

So you can stay in a party from the beginning and move around from game to game no problem? I thought I heard there was a lot of problems with that function.

No problems here either.

 

[Deleted member 47027]

It is unique for everyone. The problem is that the new system needs to make each game and app interact and "handshake" when in a party. Most of the time for most people this will work just fine. But like anything else in networking, the more handshakes you need the more likely one of them is going to be fucked.

What I find insane in this thread isn't the people who don't believe me... that's fine and probably logical. But the people who just refuse to admit that the party system has problems at all when major Nelson himself made a statement about it today and promised it's being worked on. Do you not believe major Nelson either?

It depends on your needs. So far it hasn't broken under my needs, but I'm not running 8-player party chats jumping from game to game, so it very well may be an issue that I won't see. Either way, no matter how you cut it, any improvements to anything are always welcome so I'm looking forward to what they do. And yeah, the more links in the chain there are, all it takes is one broken one to fuck everything. Guess I been swingin' a shorter chain than most.

There's certainly room to improve. There was a tweet by Stepto the other day who mentioned that it's just tougher to do things you used to do easily on the 360, and I agree.

 

[FinKL]

I knew something was F'd up when I tried inviting someone to a KI game the other day. Could not for the life of me figure it out. This would explain it.

 

[Enectic]

It is unique for everyone. The problem is that the new system needs to make each game and app interact and "handshake" when in a party. Most of the time for most people this will work just fine. But like anything else in networking, the more handshakes you need the more likely one of them is going to be fucked.

What I find insane in this thread isn't the people who don't believe me... that's fine and probably logical. But the people who just refuse to admit that the party system has problems at all when major Nelson himself made a statement about it today and promised it's being worked on. Do you not believe major Nelson either?

I think the main problem people have with your information is that while there are issues, they seem to be mostly convenience issues and/or problems that (while annoying) are not game breaking. The party system seems to work fine for the most part...it's just not that great of a system especially compared to how it was done on the 360 (personally I haven't encountered any problems). It's certainly not a broken mess and far from this description...

The short story is that Xbox Live and the OS, especially in functions that involve XBL, are a complete fucking mess. One source says we aren’t talking weeks until it works correctly but “months.” Things like parties dropping people when moving from one thing to another. Connectivity issues. Missed invites. Friend requests not working, etc.

He then said “If all you are doing is running a game and that’s the only app things are fine.”

 

[Satchel]

Nah, it definitely has a ton of issues. I constantly find myself having issues turning on party chat once being invited/joining the party. It's happened at least a half dozen times, if not more, and I've probably played the system for 6-8 hours max since purchasing it on launch.

Um, did you actually read my post?

Read my post, then read your response again. I specifically said it's fine EXCEPT the fact that you have to manually turn chat on once you join a party.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Good news if it pans out

the party system on the XB1 seems borked to me

 

[Mesoian]

I have an Xbox One and have never encountered these issues. Guess I, along with all my friends who have them, must be the lucky ones who got the batch from the future.

Are you switching games while still connected to the party? Because that's where the problem is. You can connect, disconnect, and reestablish from game to game, but it doesn't hold the session if you, for example, move from killer instinct to dead rising, which usually causes the xbox to freak out and attempt to create two separate sessions at the same time which causes all sorts of craziness to occur. Literally every live stream I watched had this problem at one time or another, most prominently with Ryse and Dead Rising.

And not to be glib, but your anecdotal experience really doesn't hold as much weight as evidence that's been documented by an assortment of journalistic institutions (see how that can be flipped on you?).

Just because it's not happening to you specifically doesn't mean it's not a problem. That's a very head-in-the-sand attitude to take regarding your 500 dollar machine.

 

[derfybzh]

I start to think that this party system is causing my return to XBOX home in a lot of my games when I play online with friends who are in different games. When I play alone it doesn't break. I will never understand why they have destroy all the beauty of the x360 online system for this mess. Gimme back my 360 (windows 7)

 

[Nokterian]

To me Xbox is not is used to be ever since Allard and others left. Such a clusterfuck this has been my god. And i am not planning to buy one in the future not supporting a platform where DRM now is gone and microtransactions in 60 euro games are in place and Metro UI i really hate. Yes i have Windows 8.1 but i am 99% on my desktop never cared about it.

 

[Azih]

I've said this before but I really really really want to know how the hell Don Mattrick was running (or not) the Xbox ship for the last two to three years.

The whole thing seems so rudderless. It'd be way more interesting than the insider stories about the Xbox original. There has to hae been some major meltdowns going on in there.

 

[Prologue]

Halo 4 wasn't on brand new hardware. Im not saying its impossible, im just not seeing it.

November 2014 will be for the big third party shooter, November 2015 will be for the big first party one.

Is this the ass storm we were promised?

No way they allow Halo to be absent for +2 years.

 

[daman824]

It is unique for everyone. The problem is that the new system needs to make each game and app interact and "handshake" when in a party. Most of the time for most people this will work just fine. But like anything else in networking, the more handshakes you need the more likely one of them is going to be fucked.

What I find insane in this thread isn't the people who don't believe me... that's fine and probably logical. But the people who just refuse to admit that the party system has problems at all when major Nelson himself made a statement about it today and promised it's being worked on. Do you not believe major Nelson either?

Major Nelson said there is problems.

You said it was completely broken. and then others said snap and smartglass may not work for months.

You and two other leakers either didn't get the right information, didn't know what the information you got meant, or purposefully put the information out knowing it would be fixed by launch.

You created a huge thread over what turned out to be pretty much nothing but a few small convenience issues. And you shouldn't have done it. You messed up big time.

 

[Seanspeed]

Most of the time for most people this will work just fine.

Except that's not really the impression people are getting from all these reports. As somebody without an Xbox, I read the OP and some of the reports by you and others and it sounds like things are completely broken to me. Like it just doesn't, or hardly ever works.

Then I read comments by people who actually have the system saying things aren't nearly as bad as are being reported. Its very much like the stuff about Forza going around.

And I get the impression that some of you are quite happy for the misinformation to hit before the truth gets out, because the damage gets done. Lord knows how many people are just going to read the initial reports and walk away believing that its just impossibly broken.

I must say, the level of integrity this has been handled with is not quite up to par and while you and some other's renowned affection for Sony doesn't automatically damn you, it sure makes it hard to give you guys the benefit of the doubt.

Its becoming very hard to believe anything that's reported lately.

 

[The Lamonster]

Not gonna lie - I thought "XB1" in the thread title was referring to the original Xbox.

retarded as hell name >:|

 

[Heretic]

zombie porn, wonder if that exists...

Edit: It does.

LOL

 

[dude819]

Are you switching games while still connected to the party? Because that's where the problem is. You can connect, disconnect, and reestablish from game to game, but it doesn't hold the session if you, for example, move from killer instinct to dead rising, which usually causes the xbox to freak out and attempt to create two separate sessions at the same time which causes all sorts of craziness to occur. Literally every live stream I watched had this problem at one time or another, most prominently with Ryse and Dead Rising.

And not to be glib, but your anecdotal experience really doesn't hold as much weight as evidence that's been documented by an assortment of journalistic institutions (see how that can be flipped on you?).

Just because it's not happening to you specifically doesn't mean it's not a problem. That's a very head-in-the-sand attitude to take regarding your 500 dollar machine.

We switch back and forth between games, snap TV, the NFL, etc and never have issues. Based on a lot of the videos and streams I have seen recently, there is way more user error going on than anything.

Just because some "journalist" can't do it or make something work properly, doesn't mean it will be an issue for everyone or, as far as I know, anyone.

This is the same thing as Kinect "not working" on streams and such. 99% of what i saw was "oh hey, i can't remember Kinect commands so the machine is broke."

The Xbox One is far from perfect but Captain FUD needs to chill with weekly "I'm being a neutral professional but here's some bad news about the company I openly hate" articles. It's very tiresome.

 

[the better twin]

who said that MS is a good software company? like seriously!

Windows is plagued with installs and crashes since forever. Zune was horrible, Windows phone OS is lagging behind both Android and iOS. Hotmail is strangely slow and badly designed.

a half assed effort from apple on mac OS easily triumph anything MS has ever done with Windows (accessibility, efficiency).

Windows 7 and 8 don't really crash. Zune was definitely not horrible and WP is gaining a lot of ground on IOS and many would argue is superior to its rivals other than in the number of apps. Lets not make s*** up. Want to talk about horrible software look no further than iTunes.

 

[famousmortimer]

Those quotes, about it being "a complete fucking mess" was the state it was in at the time. They made great strides, as my source said was possible, but they obviously didn't fix it outright because the way the entire process is setup is nonsensical.



They are now fixing that.


People "freaking out" over this in either direction are a problem, yes. But I'm not one of those people. I reported as it was told to me and I even wrote a paragraph of opinion at the end where I praised MS for doing harder but right thing.

 

[Uno Venova]

Major Nelson said there is problems.

You said it was completely broken. and then others said snap and smartglass may not work for months.

You and two other leakers either didn't get the right information, didn't know what the information you got meant, or purposefully put the information out knowing it would be fixed by launch.

You created a huge thread over what turned out to be pretty much nothing but a few small convenience issues.

This is the main thing he reported

Things like parties dropping people when moving from one thing to another. Connectivity issues. Missed invites.Friend requests not working, etc.

This has been reported by edge this morning and other XB1 console owners, besides friend requests not working.

 

[ari]

where's cboat?