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Super Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS Thread 3: Ridley's Believe It or Not!

We've known its had the Brawl air dodge -- the question remains whether they made any changes to it to make it less retarded (i.e landing lag when you air dodge near the ground). There was no chance he was going back to the old air dodge as I'm 99% sure Sakurai and tons of other casuals looked at the Melee air dodge as "useless" for its intended purpose (to dodge moves in the air).

Could've done a mix of both but I really think the hyper/elite casuals would be mad if Sakurai embraced wavedashing lol.

but it is useful for actually dodging!
(and then someone SDs on the ledge, lol)
 

rmanthorp

Member
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SuperSah

Banned
Hey, Rosalina is a combo character with Luma, right?

Does that now prove they sorted combo characters with 3DS and that fears should be all but abolished?
 
I believe that Luma's attacks are based on what attack Rosalina does. When it jumps to attack Pit, Rosalina seems to do her USmash or UTilt.

One down, and that makes me very happy.

Yeah, about those others...
don't get your hopes up. Especially for Marina, she's owned by Treasure, not Nintendo.
 

Hello.

Banned
I suppose Luma copies every move you do in some way, and its movement is delayed a few frames like Nana, so Rosalina can face one way and Luma can face the other.....
 

FlynnCL

Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, Luma seems to copy everything that Rosalina does, like Nana.

The huge size difference between the two characters is really interesting though. If this game has a decent amount of hitstun, the combos in high level play will be amazing to watch.
 
Some stuff I noticed via trailer:

-Remember when I pointed out how the Garden of Hope seemed to "transit" in areas in-between various shots? During that bit where Rosalina spikes Link, the hanging aluminum can thing is below next to the broken bowl seen in the Sonic video. I'm guessing this will just be a big stage.
-The Villager copies Balloon Fighter's animation when his balloons pop (they're also blue now).
-Pretty sure this has been pointed out already, but the Luma can save Rosalina from grabs.

Rosalina wasn't a character I initially wanted, but the trailer has quickly warmed me up to her. The Luma is such a fascinating mechanic! I just wish they hadn't pulled the fake-out with the Kirby Air Ride music. :'(
 
Yeah, Luma seems to copy everything that Rosalina does, like Nana.

Love waking up to a new character reveal in the morning, she's basically Ice Climbers.

I don't think the 2 compare. Ice Climbers are doing the exactly same moves (even though there's some tiny differences in their effects iirc). Rosalina and Luma take that mechanic, but change it up so that the Luma does different moves than Rosalina, and it also looks like Rosalina actually is able to position it as well.

Basically, I think Rosalina is going to be somewhere in between Olimar and ICs.

I dunno, I could definitely see Ghirahim at least making it in. I kinda thought he would be in the next Smash ever since Skyward Sword came out.

It's certainly possible, but I don't think he will make an appearance, solely based on the fact that he's not in Between Worlds. He might be an AT or a boss or something, though.
 

Mariolee

Member
Hey, Rosalina is a combo character with Luma, right?

Does that now prove they sorted combo characters with 3DS and that fears should be all but abolished?

I don't think that was ever a serious problem. I mean, sure Sakurai mentioned it was an issue, but they were never going to release a Smash Bros. that didn't have Ice Climbers in it.
 

R0ckman

Member
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(
 
Some stuff I noticed via trailer:

-Remember when I pointed out how the Garden of Hope seemed to "transit" in areas in-between various shots? During that bit where Rosalina spikes Link, the hanging aluminum can thing is below next to the broken bowl seen in the Sonic video. I'm guessing this will just be a big stage.
-The Villager copies Balloon Fighter's animation when his balloons pop (they're also blue now).
-Pretty sure this has been pointed out already, but the Luma can save Rosalina from grabs.

Rosalina wasn't a character I initially wanted, but the trailer has quickly warmed me up to her. The Luma is such a fascinating mechanic! I just wish they hadn't pulled the fake-out with the Kirby Air Ride music. :'(

I know right? That killed me. An Air Ride 2 is something I would love to see.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I still don't see it. :(

Rosalina doesn't have a moveset pic yet. Other characters have pics that are related to their special moves.

Villager has B (pocket item), Down B (plant sapling), Side B (lloid rocket), and Up B (balloon)
WFT has Side B (soccer ball head smash) and Up B (hoola hoops) so far.
 

Gleethor

Member
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(

What are you on about, exactly? There are 5 Mario characters so far, it's doubtful there will be any more and 4 of those were highly expected and important to their history. Rosalina is a great addition.
 
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing.
I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(

Oh my God. Nintendo is DARING to put in a fifth character of the game series that is not only one of the main reasons they are now where they are, but also the biggest selling video game franchise of all time?! And it happens to be a pretty damn popular character from their recently critically well-received Galaxy games too boot? Those fucking sellouts.
 

DaBoss

Member
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(
You missed something here.

And did you know Mario and Pokemon are the biggest franchises in Smash? Did you know they both have the most reps?
 

SmithnCo

Member
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(

It only seems that way because Sakurai's revealed most of the Mario characters early. Possibly because they were all in Rosa's trailer anyway, I dunno.
 
Even with Rosalina, there's three times as many non-Mario characters. We've got 5 of those, as opposed to 15 (14 if you count DK as part of the Mario franchise). And that's just those of the currently revealed ones. It's VERY unlikely we'll get any more Mario franchise characters beyond those 5/6, except for Yoshi and Wario returning, but those also represent their own franchises, as well. And I'm deliberately counting out Diddy because he's never been in any Mario game except for like 2 Mario Karts and 1 or 2 of the sports spin-offs.

"Super Mario Smash and Friends" my ass.
 

ffdgh

Member
They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(

....You know melee had 5 mario characters too right? Relax the more the merrier...heck pokemon in brawl technically had the more playable reps with 6 pokemon excluding the extended mario characters.
 

Platy

Member

I wonder if Starfy Luma is green because it is focusing on Luigi

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They need to change the title to Super Mario Smash and Friends honestly. Instead of celebrating Nintendo's history we are celebrating marketing. I guess that's what is making me nervous about this version. But they reeled me in with Villager and Mega Man :(

She is celebrating Mario Galaxy, which is like the more Nintendo History than any other 3D mario
 
Hmm I really don't like Rosalina as a new character, she should've been relegated to an Assist Trophy imo. Nintendo should revive some characters from their old franchises like Takamaru or Mach Rider. Shulk should've been announced a long time ago too.
 

FlynnCL

Unconfirmed Member
I don't think the 2 compare. Ice Climbers are doing the exactly same moves (even though there's some tiny differences in their effects iirc). Rosalina and Luma take that mechanic, but change it up so that the Luma does different moves than Rosalina, and it also looks like Rosalina actually is able to position it as well.

Basically, I think Rosalina is going to be somewhere in between Olimar and ICs.

Well yeah, Luma is different from Rosalina, but it still appears to act according to your inputs as shown in those gifs. The moves look different and are probably harder to hit because of Luma's tiny size, though.

She's definitely not Ice Climbers, but I think they are comparisons to be made. The positioning of Luma was really cool and allows for so many possibilities! :)

I wonder how strong Luma will be, and will there be a Popo Ice Climbers situation if Rosalina loses a stock (aka, Luma will disappear)?
 

TheChits

Member
Hmm I really don't like Rosalina as a new character, she should've been relegated to an Assist Trophy imo. Nintendo should revive some characters from their old franchises like Takamaru or Mach Rider. Shulk should've been announced a long time ago too.

Shulk will be announced at e3 right after they show the new X trailer with a release date.
Believe
 

SuperSah

Banned
I probably should have listened to you guys when you said not to hype for any 3DS footage. Not even a single screenshot was given either.

I will stop complaining now and go elsewhere.
 

SmithnCo

Member
Forgetting about the Mario rep thing for a moment, Rosalina looks like she has a totally unique gameplay style, more than worthy of inclusion.

Hmm I really don't like Rosalina as a new character, she should've been relegated to an Assist Trophy imo. Nintendo should revive some characters from their old franchises like Takamaru or Mach Rider. Shulk should've been announced a long time ago too.

I'd honestly be surprised if Takamaru wasn't this game's retro rep. Mach Rider is my personal hope for newcomer too.

I want Ice Climbers to have been cut.

I want YOU to have been cut.
 

DaBoss

Member
Gonna make a lot of GIFs of things to note.
I probably should have listened to you guys when you said not to hype for any 3DS footage. Not even a single screenshot was given either.

I will stop complaining now and go elsewhere.
Or you could just be excited for Smash in general.
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I probably should have listened to you guys when you said not to hype for any 3DS footage. Not even a single screenshot was given either.

I will stop complaining now and go elsewhere.
Rosalina's last screenshot is a 3DS one. It's not much, but it's acknowledgement at least. It's obvious (and, in my opinion, very much a good thing) that they're focusing on the Wii U version over the 3DS version. I would be very much all right with the Wii U version coming out 2014 and then the 3DS version being polished and releasing a year later or so. It'd be like two Smash Bros. for the price of one!

I really wish Sakurai would do a little moveset demonstration for Rosalina like he did for the Wii Fit Trainer and Villager. I really want to know how that Luma works! It's obviously very different from Olimar or Ice Climbers...

Also, did anyone else notice that it's definitely confirmed that Villager's tree isn't automatically cut down after being planted?
 
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