PS4 games will also be available in the future:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/444296/ps4-games-in-the-pipeline-for-playstation-now/
Which is probably why Gamestops shares fell 10%
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PlayStation Now announced (PS1/2/3 streaming to TVs/Tablets/Phones/PSes, Summer 2014)
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PS4 games will also be available in the future:
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/444296/ps4-games-in-the-pipeline-for-playstation-now/
Which is probably why Gamestops shares fell 10%
biggersmaller
Banned
Sounds good. Its success depends on three factors:
- Latency
Titles
Price
Dee Dah Dave
Member
Oh cool I would be down for some of that. I was going to get a PS4 at some point to play the exclusives but if I can skip that and just do it over the internet that's even better!
Yes... but that's why they are starting slow. For 2014, only USA/Canada. If they can manage NA market, EU and Japan will be easier, one smaller country at the time.
wiiU gamepad streaming is much higher quality than the vita's remote play stream.
LilWayneSuckz
Member
Gaikai worked miles better than OnLive IMO. I tried their beta and played Crysis 2 on a really old laptop (over quite slow wi-fi) and it played pretty smoothly. Whereas I noticed a fair bit of lag when I played Assassin's Creed over OnLive.
When Sony announced they had purchased Gaikai even though OnLive wasn't performing well, I understood why
Didn't see this one yet but maybe late:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/9/52...equire-a-dualshock-controller-for-tvs-tablets
Sony is requiring Dual Shocks for other non-Playstation devices to use Playstation Now. Seems like a decent compromise and obviously 3rd party controllers suck and touchscreen is unacceptable but the article makes it sound like DS3-only which would be baffling considering it's going to be phased out.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/9/52...equire-a-dualshock-controller-for-tvs-tablets
Sony is requiring Dual Shocks for other non-Playstation devices to use Playstation Now. Seems like a decent compromise and obviously 3rd party controllers suck and touchscreen is unacceptable but the article makes it sound like DS3-only which would be baffling considering it's going to be phased out.
mckmas8808
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mr teaspoon
Member
That's basically the position of all the CAG hosts and I'm inclined to agree with their skepticism. Even if the service does work flawlessly, are there enough people out there interested in old games to turn a profit? I just can't see it.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
As a kid who grew up with Nintendo systems and then an Xbox and Xbox 360 with just a bit of PS3 time... yes. I'm sold.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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If Sony are doing this for non Sony devices is there any reason we shouldn't be seeing PS Now support for PC's at some point?
crazygambit
Member
I agree I wouldn't dedicate the big screen to playing PS1 and PS2 games, but on Vita? PS1 games are surprisingly playable there. PS2 games would be even better. PS3 games I might stream on the TV, but probably most I would play on Vita (all the cross buy games I have I've played there). Really looking forward to this and it'll make me love my Vita even more if that's possible.
no, people dont want to play "old" PS3 games.. they only play PS4 exclusives at 4K.
Also extremely more limited than the Vita's one.
BoboBrazil
Member
Well that ddos troll group took credit for the 2nd one but it was around Christmas so who knows? I know it went down every time PS4 launched in a new territory. With the demand of this and that cable service plus having multiple networks across 3 systems they need to upgrade their servers.
inpHilltr8r
Member
How costly would you think? Bear in mind they will be custom boards with only memory, cell, RSX, and network on them.
[edit] Probably the EE+GS chip too, if they're going for full PS2. Maybe just GS. Maybe they even have a Cell + RSX + GS chip now.
There's drawbacks to using PS3s for servers. One, they don't have built-in video encoding, so there would have to be extra engineering work done to integrate it (simply stuffing a dongle in the HDMI out won't do it, adds too much lag), and the framerate is a bit too iffy on most games. As framerates drop down below 30 fps, it adds a lot of extra lag if network transmission misses a frame. Also, the PS2 emulator on the PS3 is way too janky to be used in a cloud computing situation, it currently has to shut down the entire OS even to play PS2 Classics from PSN on a PS3 Slim, and it's buggy even for those. And obviously it wouldn't help to play PS4 games in the future.
Or they could stuff the servers full of PS4s, make a lot of PS4 ports of all their games, and if PS Now doesn't take off, they can sell all the PS4 ports of the games (or both, 1080p60 Editions for the collectors, streaming for everyone else). And given that we got a bunch of ports (Flower, Sound Shapes, etc.) out of nowhere at launch, I'm guessing that's exactly what Sony's doing.
inpHilltr8r
Member
They're not using stock PS3s. There will be a custom board.
mattiewheels
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I don't see how you'll be able to play a brand new PS3 release like P5 on this subscription service. If they matched retail purchases too then maybe so, but my expectations for that kind flushed down the toilet after the announcement.
thehillissilent
Member
I'm thinking you are using custom PS3 hardware which is condensed unto on a PCI card similar to 3D0 blaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DO_Blaster) which allowed pc users to play 3D0 games on the computer. They probably can put a ton of these cards into their servers for cheap.
I seriously doubt they are converting their PS3 library to be x86 compatible which would take a ton of work. Also, I don't think there are currently x86-64 CPUs on the market that could effectively emulate a Cell processor at the moment.
I haven't been following super closely, is it confirmed they're using PS3s? My argument is that they don't need to make a custom board if they go the PS4 route, as the PS4 is essentially designed as a Gaikai server from scratch.
Granted, it's Sony, so I could see them building custom PS3s.
The PS3 hasn't been shrunk quite that much
It's still separate CPU and GPU even.Yeah, it would be a lot of work to port all those games, but they've obviously started on it anyway. See Flower, flOw, Sound Shapes, Escape Plan.
illmatic19
Member
Have they said anything about the game library? Is it gonna be select titles available for a limited time like PS+?
thehillissilent
Member
I haven't been following super closely, is it confirmed they're using PS3s? My argument is that they don't need to make a custom board if they go the PS4 route, as the PS4 is essentially designed as a Gaikai server from scratch.
Granted, it's Sony, so I could see them building custom PS3s.
The PS3 hasn't been shrunk quite that much
Yeah, it would be a lot of work to port all those games, but they've obviously started on it anyway. See Flower, flOw, Sound Shapes, Escape Plan.
The issue with backwards compatibility is that PS3 is using a PowerPC based processor and that PS4 is using a x86-64 based one. PS4 can't natively play PowerPC based software. If so, we wouldn't be having this backwards compatibility issue right now. Also, if they are slowly migrating their games natively over to x86, there would be no need for cloud gaming. You can just download them locally. Porting is a huge amount of work and we don't even know if source code is still available for some of those games.
inpHilltr8r
Member
They're not porting the entire catalogue. That's an insane amount of work.
I think people are overestimating the amount of work for one of the worlds largest consumer electronics companies to design and manufacture custom hardware at scale.
inpHilltr8r
Member
Also think about the games they demo'd with. Do you really think they have perfect ports of those titles already? That there is an emulator capable of handling those titles? There really is only one viable solution to this problem.
thehillissilent
Member
Yup. My greatest concern is latency. Most PS3 games natively run at 30fps (well sometimes not even that lol). OnLive and Gaikai previously ran games at 60fps in the datacenter to attempt to mask latency. From previous Digital Foundry articles, they best latency that Gaikai was capable of was around 130ms, which is comparable to the "feel" of 30fps. I wonder if Sony is running PS3 games in the datacenter at a higher framerate similar to those 60fps Uncharted videos to compensate.
One of the earlier articles mentioned that the games run on hardware 'based on PS3'. Which could mean anything from vanilla PS3s to custom systems more attuned to a rack environment I guess.
A small thing but the video in this article:
http://gizmodo.com/playstation-now-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
At the end it seems to suggest that on PS4 you'll be able to use the share button while playing via PSNow. Which is nice...it could diversify the broadcasts from PS4 owners a lot, ultimately, with classic games etc.
Although I do wonder why it wouldn't be feasible to let people stream directly from the PSNow service, regardless of client. Surely you could mirror video feeds somewhere along the pipe on Sony's end, to Twitch or whatever...
It's hard to imagine this for PS3 games, if running on PS3 hardware of some kind - like I don't think you can just double some clockspeeds and get a faster game loop. But it could be more possible for emulated games, PS2/PS1 stuff, to dial up the game loop speed and buy back latency.
A small thing but the video in this article:
http://gizmodo.com/playstation-now-...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
At the end it seems to suggest that on PS4 you'll be able to use the share button while playing via PSNow. Which is nice...it could diversify the broadcasts from PS4 owners a lot, ultimately, with classic games etc.
Although I do wonder why it wouldn't be feasible to let people stream directly from the PSNow service, regardless of client. Surely you could mirror video feeds somewhere along the pipe on Sony's end, to Twitch or whatever...
It's hard to imagine this for PS3 games, if running on PS3 hardware of some kind - like I don't think you can just double some clockspeeds and get a faster game loop. But it could be more possible for emulated games, PS2/PS1 stuff, to dial up the game loop speed and buy back latency.
inpHilltr8r
Member
You could do that, but that would require extra work, and you've already got streaming via the PS4 for free (in terms of development work, which is the significant bottleneck here).
Ah. I guess I can wait till P5 is an older game and gets placed on the service.
The bigger one is The Last of Us for me.
This could also persuade me to just sell my 360 and wait for PS Now to play games like Dark Souls 2 on it later on. However, with such a vast library spanning 3 consoles I don't know how much they'll have right at the get go for this.
I'm excited for it though. I could finally amass a game collection similar to my Steam PC games, and avoid doing trade ins for games I regret not having later.
Plus there's a few PS2 titles I missed out on or would like to replay. Persona 4 being the main one.
Edit:
Just thought of two new questions:
How do us pleab Gaffers get into the beta for this?
How will they make MP components for games work? I.E. The Last of Us MP would run like absolute ass on this service I imagine.
Not a deal breaker, because this would let me play SP games I missed out on that I want to play now like AC Reveleations and AC3, or say Dragon's Dogma.
mr teaspoon
Member
How big is the market for this, though? Wouldn't you figure that a large percentage of the people who want to pay to play PS3 games already have a PS3 and those games?
Again, I'm not trying to be negative against the service. Assuming it works it will be really cool and I'll definitely be using it to play The Last of Us. I just am skeptical that there are enough people out there who will want to use it often enough for it to be considered a success.
The Faceless Master
Member
is this real life?
what else would you use to play PlayStation games!?
Who would pay a few bucks here and there to dip into some games?
No, I doubt that potential market has been saturated by PS3 - or any - consoles. I think there's probably swathes of people who would never be arsed buying a gaming console, but who might indeed want to rent some time with certain games if they were available on the devices they already have and the cost barrier was low. I know people in my own life for whom consoles just aren't really an option anymore, but who I think would dip into certain games - like Fifa or GTA - in a low commitment way if they could play them without it involving a new box in their homes.
I think a huge factor in the popularity of smart device gaming among all kinds of people is that it's cheap, fast to access, and is low commitment and discreet. If console devs and platforms want in on that market they need a way to channel their content to that market in similar ways. Make it something immediate, and something people can dip in and out of for single digit dollars.
Zoe
Member
On screen controls, of course.
I hope this means the Vita will support external controllers eventually.
Byakuya769
Member
So kotaku did a post "10 things you should know about Playstation Now," and said that the summer rollout will hit PS4 and PS3 first, with vita and others to follow. I was under the impression that it was PS4 and PS vita on the front end. Which is right?
Vita will get it later on it seems.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/01/08/hands-on-playstation-now-game-streaming/
Byakuya769
Member
What the fuck, Sony?
(Thanks, sykoex)
(Thanks, sykoex)
friskykillface
Banned
Crash Bandicoot to stream on vita in late 2014 :'( *
*USA/NA
well thats a bummer, wish it would go on vita at the same time as consoles.
*USA/NA
well thats a bummer, wish it would go on vita at the same time as consoles.
Insane Metal
Member
My newly subscribed 100Mbps internet is ready DD
DDVITA pretty much has it by default via remote play, although it isn't exactly the same. They could always make it non compatible though.
Soule latency as well lol.
I assume this will only start with internal Dev studio's games and then hopefully progress with third parties jumping on board, With regards to using PS3's being used to stream the games, I think Onlive/Gaikai output games at 60fps but with latency across the net, games ended up being around 30fps, which is pretty much Ps360 standard. So to achieve 60fps, I'd assume Sony would use dev kits or similar alternative. Similar to the 60fps Uncharted vid a few years ago.
Edit: Also I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope new games take advantage of this, From Software, I'm looking at you.
Edit: Also I'm actually looking forward to this. I hope new games take advantage of this, From Software, I'm looking at you.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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When UK eventually gets PS Now most likely in 2015, are we going to have to wait extra long for the service on Vita or will we just get it on all the platforms the US will have built up? I worded that so badly. Basically when it launches in the UK will it just be on PS3/4 like the start in the US, or will be also have Vita support day 1 assuming the US service will have expanded to Vita by that time?
Nothavingit
Neo Member
John Koller: "This is not the answer to backwards compatibility."
So what is??
I hope they at least give unlimited rental time to the games people already bought on PSN.