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MGS Ground Zeroes 'looks slightly better on PS4 than Xbox One' - Kojima

Anteater

Member
Interested in what differences there are, the game is a cross gen game, I think kojima said the difference between the next gen version is the resolution/framerate and better lighting (I think?), I was under the impression that both consoles would have no problem running it and it would pretty much look identical because I would assume there aren't a whole lot of assets upgrade.
 
What is wrong with my choice, dude? Does it bother anybody else? It is just my personal choice to purchase GZ on Xbox One.

Nothing wrong with your choice. I had both 360 and PS3 for a lot of last gen and bought all my mulit platform games on 360, never even checked if the game was better on the PS3. As you say its a personnel choice.
 

Ricky_R

Member
Communication with friends, achievements, controller. It could be any number of reasons.

Controller is a piss poor reason to go for the Xbone version of a game if it looks and performs better on the PS4 IMO.

It's not like the DS4 is a hedgehog.
 
Well, since MGS2, there were no main line MGS games released on Xbox platforms. MGS3 was PS2 exclusive and MGS4 was PS3 exclusive. (I don't count Rising and HD version of 2, 3 and PW.)

Now MGS V (GS+TPP) will see a release on Xbox 360 and Xbox One at the same time as the version on PS3 and PS4. That officially means MGS goes to Xbox platforms.

As a Xbox fan, that means a lot to me. So I will buy Xbox One version of GZ and TPP despite they might be worse version comparing to PS3 and PS4 version.

It is just like I purchase FFXIII, FFXIII-2 and The Lightning Returns all on Xbox 360 just because it means FF finally ended as PS exclusive which means a lot to me as well (not count FFXI online).

I think you jump to conclusions a bit too willingly here.
 

allan-bh

Member
I'm curious how long this will be news. 6 months, 1 year?

PS4 is more powerful, it's funny how people behave as if it were some surprise when a game is actually better on the system.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
If there isn't a difference between the two versions, the developers are doing something wrong. As consumers we should expect the PS4 versions to look or run better since there is plenty of extra hardware muscle to account for it, and the hardware quite easy to work with. Games that have parity simply offer worse value for money to PS4 gamers, and show that the developers in question don't value PS4 customers enough to make the relevant tweaks.

Along these lines couldn't you say that games that are the same price on Xbone as on PS4 simply offer worse value for money to Xbone gamers and show that the developers in question don't value Xbone customers enough to make the relevant changes to price?
 

Chobel

Member
As expected.

Also as expected is that most casuals will barely be able to tell the difference if at all

And as expected, Klocker is still in denial stage.

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And WTF with all this thread wining? It's news like any other news. No one is forcing anyone to enter this thread.
 

zhao3gold

Banned
i don't understand... Ps4 is your main console... except for third party games because you want to support microsoft, even if it means you pay for a lesser version ?

PS4 is my main console for sure in Gen#8 due to its raw power and I will buy most of multi-platforms games on PS4.

But MGS means something else to me. I want to have another main line MGS game on Xbox since MGS2 released on original Xbox.

Well, I may be just stupid as hell...
 

Bgamer90

Banned
Controller is a piss poor reason to go for the Xbone version of a game if it looks and performs better on the PS4 IMO.

It's not like the DS4 is a hedgehog.

Your opinon. People had similar reasons for getting multiplats on PS2 and PS3 (vs. Xbox).
 

nib95

Banned
As expected.

Also as expected is that most casuals will barely be able to tell the difference if at all

I doubt much of the current Xbox One and PS4 consumer base are "casual" gamers. It's usually hardcore gamers gamers that buy consoles at launch, especially at these sorts of high prices. You might get a few stragglers, impulse buyers, gifts for Christmas etc, but I'd imagine most of the customer base right now is made up of mainly core gamers.
 

leadbelly

Banned
both have different architectures
one was more powerful but more difficult to develop for, while the other was way easyer but less powerful, which is not the case this time around, now you have a situation where the more powerful platform is also apparently easyer to develop on

It wasn't quite as simple as that either. The 360 architecture was stronger in certain areas than the PS3 and vice versa. The 360 had a better, more efficient GPU but the PS3 had a better CPU. The 360 also had access to more memory for graphics.

Both consoles had their strengths and weaknesses.

This time around the architecture is so similar that the raw numbers mean much more.
 

Jack cw

Member
I'm curious how long this will be news. 6 months, 1 year?

PS4 is more powerful, it's funny how people behave as if it were some surprise when a game is actually better on the system.

It will always be news as it was last gen. If I spend my money on a product its good to know which version to get. And yes its funny, as xbox completely lost its superior tech card and it proves how big this gap between PS4 and xbone is, considering price and performance.
 

Frillen

Member
Slightly usually means it's a bigger difference than that. If the difference was in fact slightly, they would rather say the versions look near identical.

Not buying it at $40 though. I'll wait till either $15 or $10, which hopefully won't take long if everyone does their job (by not buying it at $40).
 

Jack cw

Member
PS4 is my main console for sure in Gen#8 due to its raw power and I will buy most of multi-platforms games on PS4.

But MGS means something else to me. I want to have another main line MGS game on Xbox since MGS2 released on original Xbox.

Well, I may be just stupid as hell...

Out of curiosity: Did you buy FF13 on 360 as well? Its fine for whatever system you choose to buy something, but always knowing that the version I got is inferior when I have both systems would drive me mad.
 

Ricky_R

Member
Your opinon. People had similar reasons for getting multiplats on PS2 and PS3 (vs. Xbox).

Of course it's my opinion, hence the IMO at the end of my post. Also, I think it was a piss poor reason to do so on the PS2 and PS3 too.

Unless the controller is radioactive or feels like you're holding Hellraiser's head then I think it's a lame excuse to not get a better version of a game because of it, if you have both consoles.
 
Slightly usually means it's a bigger difference than that. If the difference was in fact slightly, they would rather say the versions look near identical.

Not buying it at $40 though. I'll wait till either $15 or $10, which hopefully won't take long if everyone does their job (by not buying it at $40).

Yes, my thoughts exactly.

'Slightly' can be anything from a 720p difference with low poly textures versus 1080p with higher quality textures.

Anyway, all will be revealed soon.
 

nib95

Banned
Along these lines couldn't you say that games that are the same price on Xbone as on PS4 simply offer worse value for money to Xbone gamers and show that the developers in question don't value Xbone customers enough to make the relevant changes to price?

Not at all the same, because they're still putting in the same development time and effort (if not more, due to the more complex architecture), which is effectively what you're paying for, the hardware is just not as strong, therefore limiting the potential comparative to the competitor.
 
PS4 is my main console for sure in Gen#8 due to its raw power and I will buy most of multi-platforms games on PS4.

But MGS means something else to me. I want to have another main line MGS game on Xbox since MGS2 released on original Xbox.

Well, I may be just stupid as hell...

It is not stupid,, go with your gut feeling,,

dont expect others to understand though,, and why should you even care? ;) im sure both versions will be fine.
 

ymmv

Banned
As expected.

Also as expected is that most casuals will barely be able to tell the difference if at all

Also as expected is that most journalists will barely be able to tell the difference if at all.

(Fixed for truth - alas)

PS4 is my main console for sure in Gen#8 due to its raw power and I will buy most of multi-platforms games on PS4.

But MGS means something else to me. I want to have another main line MGS game on Xbox since MGS2 released on original Xbox.

Well, I may be just stupid as hell...

To be honest, this doesn't make a lick of sense.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Not at all the same, because they're still putting in the same (if not more, due to the more complex architecture) development time and effort, which is effectively what you're paying for, the hardware is just not as strong, therefore limiting the potential comparative to the competitor.

So you would be okay with it if the Xbone versions had fewer man hours spent on them?

Presumably you are in favour of the XBone versions having fewer man hours spent on them.

Also if you think that the man hours spent is the final decider of cost, then presumably you think that Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition should be more expensive than the original release; since it has all the original development hours of the original, plus extra for the port?
 

Rainy Dog

Member
The reality is a lot of people assumed wrong because a lot of people just don't understand technical specs - not being arrogant BTW just noting that's the problem here.

The higher the number, the better. That's all anyone needs to understand, really.

Code:
Xbone: 1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
Xbone: 768 Shaders
Xbone: 48 Texture units
Xbone: 16 ROPS
Xbone: 2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4: 1.84TF GPU (18 CUs) for games + 56%
PS4: 1152 Shaders +50%
PS4: 72 Texture units +50%
PS4: 32 ROPS + 100%
PS4: 8 ACE/64 queues +300%

The problem is that it's an utter farce that we're not 'officially' allowed to know the proper specs of what we're shelling out $4-500 for.
 

Caronte

Member
PS4 is my main console for sure in Gen#8 due to its raw power and I will buy most of multi-platforms games on PS4.

But MGS means something else to me. I want to have another main line MGS game on Xbox since MGS2 released on original Xbox.

Well, I may be just stupid as hell...

So you're buying it on Xbox as a way to support that the series remains multiplatform in the future?
 

Bundy

Banned
Yeah but so was the PS3 compared to X360,, and 360 did better on most multiplats.

It is odd to me that PS4 seems to win every battle nowadays. Something I dislike, the race should be tighter, if everyone is going to blindly follow PS4, there will be a very arrogant Sony in a couple years,,, arrogant companies make consumer unfriendly decisions.
It's not odd, because the power gap between the PS4 and Xbone is much bigger than the gap between PS3 and X360 (PS3 had the better CPU, X360 had the better GPU, memory solution and easier architecture)
This time, the PS4 has the better CPU, better GPU, better memory, better/easier architecture, etc. It's simply clearly more powerful.

I have both PS4 and Xbox One. But I will pick Xbox One version of GZ. It is just my choice, dude. And I believe it will not affect anybody else to enjoy the game in their preferred platform even it is only 2 hours game-play.
No problem, dude. But I seriously doubt this.
 
Hope this isn't a serious post.

Microsoft's Azure servers were never really going to improve framerate or performance in XBOne games.

Posts like these are the reason this topic will never get old.

I believe Microsoft claimed that with the cloud they would have access to a lot more power making better performance and graphic vadelity possible.

However, for the cloud, you need to be connected to the internet,,, since it is not an online only console anymore, developers will have to do with the power they got in the X1.

This might be one of the reasons X1 is underperforming at the moment?

I quit lol
 

zhao3gold

Banned
Out of curiosity: Did you buy FF13 on 360 as well? Its fine for whatever system you choose to buy something, but always knowing that the version I got is inferior when I have both systems would drive me mad.

Yes, all 3 FFXIII games on Xbox 360 day one purchase...As I said in previous post, FF on Xbox means a lot to me.

Anyway, it is just me...
 
Why is this a surprise given the hardware spec of both console? This is a given that for this whole gen, games on the PS4 is gonna looks better than the one on the XO.
 

tensuke

Member
So you want gamestop to put pressure on them to make sure they get your $15 a few months down the line?

Ha I was just joking about that. Obviously I would prefer 1080p60, but it's not necessary; and I don't plan buying it full price because I think it's overpriced for what you get, but no pressure on anyone to lower the price, I'll wait for a deal.
 

N30RYU

Member
But how?

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Just one quick photoshop...
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Jack cw

Member
Yes, all 3 FFXIII games on Xbox 360 day one purchase...As I said in previous post, FF on Xbox means a lot to me.

Anyway, it is just me...

Thats totally ok, but seriously, how can you live with those downgraded, compressed to hell rendermovies? The game runs in lower res and has some of the worst dithering and aliasing ever. If you are truly into those series, you better start supporting the developer by buying their best efforts as thats the sign, that quality > bad ports.
 

Bgamer90

Banned
Of course it's my opinion, hence the IMO at the end of my post. Also, I think it was a piss poor reason to do so on the PS2 and PS3 too.

Unless the controller is radioactive or feels like you're holding Hellraiser's head then I think it's a lame excuse to not get a better version of a game because of it, if you have both consoles.

I'm mainly saying that there's no need to be rude about someone's decision (which is seemingly a hard thing for some to do here).

The better D-Pad on previous Playstation consoles vs. the competition caused many people to get games from genres like fighters and sports on those consoles. Nothing wrong with it.
 

Loomba

Member
Why is this a surprise given the hardware spec of both console? This is a given that for this whole gen, games on the PS4 is gonna looks better than the one on the XO.

I honestly thought that even though the PS4 can do better, that developers would have made both versions identical, considering they want to sell the game on the XBO too. Wonder how many people don't buy the games on XBO because they have heard that the PS4 version is better.
 

nib95

Banned
So you would be okay with it if the Xbone versions had fewer man hours spent on them?

Presumably you are in favour of the XBone versions having fewer man hours spent on them.

Also if you think that the man hours spent is the final decider of cost, then presumably you think that Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition should be more expensive than the original release; since it has all the original development hours of the original, plus extra for the port?

What does that have to do with fewer man hours spent on the Xbox One version? They should likely spend roughly the same amount of time on both versions, though obviously that is something the studio will have to decide depending on work schedules, development complexity etc.

Also, there is no way the new version of Tomb Raider had the same number of man hours invested in it as it took to make the original game. Not a chance in hell. The only consideration here is the additional development time taken to port the game, as it is not a new release, and taking in to consideration supply, demand, the older release, the number of people in the target audience that have already played it but might want to double dip etc etc, the new price reflects that.

What I am in favour of is consumers getting the most bang for buck, and that means PS4 versions of multi platform games being superior to the Xbox One versions, due to the massive gulf in performance between the two consoles.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Yes, all 3 FFXIII games on Xbox 360 day one purchase...As I said in previous post, FF on Xbox means a lot to me.

Anyway, it is just me...

The only thing you're doing is telling SE in this case they're fine with putting out poor ports.
 

nib95

Banned

My post in that thread lol.

I think Orbis mp games will just have a few more bells and whistles. Maybe a slightly better frame rate, less tearing, more aa or af etc, maybe even smaller differences, similar to all other generation differences. Having said that, this isn't exactly similar to the xbox/PS2 or ps3/360 since the hardware architecture is actually very similar between Orbis and Durango.
 
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