Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It won't be a surprise to anyone.
The significant part of all of this is how unambitious the current gen version is. The previous gen versions look very close, just at a lower res and framerate.
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Metal Gear Solid V Res Confirmed: Sub-720p (PS3/360), 720p (XB1), 1080p (PS4)
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It won't be a surprise to anyone.
The significant part of all of this is how unambitious the current gen version is. The previous gen versions look very close, just at a lower res and framerate.
It was already leaked that Thief runs at 900p on the Xbox One.
No doubt it is between the frames that the magic happens because our brains splice togther something something. Man that was a great read.
Portugeezer
Member
Good to know dat PS4 power is being put to good use.
That said, I still expected more of a difference graphically between next-gen and last-gen versions, although 60fps and 1080p is a big difference in and of itself.
That said, I still expected more of a difference graphically between next-gen and last-gen versions, although 60fps and 1080p is a big difference in and of itself.
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
:lol
DarkLordMalik
Member
I don't remember.... the leak turned out to be false as the dude confirmed he was talking about Tomb Raider and not Thief. Or am i missing something here?
Exactly same deal here, and now it's flipped for this gen
I've always gotten certain series for certain platforms anyway, such as MGS & FF for Sony... so everything seems OK
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
The bonus check for whoever at Microsoft convinced Respawn and EA to sign the TitanFall exclusivity deal just got a little bigger. I simply do not understand how anyone saw the specs of these two machines and thought the Xbone was superior.
Thief is most probably 30fps on consoles.
Pretty sure they said the console version was 30. idk
freezamite
Banned
I don't know if a certain game uses those 176GB/s of bandwidth. What I do know is that lighting in deferred engines is done through a R/W operation (you need to read the buffers, do some calculations on them and then write them back to memory) on the buffers, that those operations scale proportionally with the number of lights and that in case those buffers can be stored entirely on the Xbox One then the console has a 60GB/s advantage over the PS4 in terms of bandwidth.
Every light computed in a deferred engine heavily relies on multiple R/W operations on the memory, and that's where the XBOne eSram can achieve it's 200+ GB/s bandwidth.
You say you can't think of a 720p game that uses so much bandwidth, well then, a game that uses a deferred engine and has let's say 4 times as many light-sources as an equivalent 1080p game would use that much bandwidth.
Has a game like that been made? I don't know. But we are talking about theoretical approaches and not released products and of course to judge the graphical outcome of a generation of hardware based on games also released on past-generation hardware is not the best idea in my opinion.
silver.tongue
Member
I think it's 1080p/30fps and 900p/30fps.
sooooo basically, like everyone has been saying...youre pulling this stuff out of your ass...thanks for the clarification
DarkLordMalik
Member
Console version has been confirmed to be running at 30 fps a long time ago. Maybe, it changed during the development but we don't know.
For the resolution, there has been no confirmation yet for Xbox One but PS4 has been confirmed to be running at 1080p.
Neuromancer
Member
Look, I had a lot of time to think about this and I believe in what I said. I believe that the differences between the boxes [PS4 and Xbox One] is not all that great and I know what is going behind the scenes and I have access to more information about some of this thing than a lot of people. Sometimes people tend to neglect the points that are in my favor and they like to highlight the points that tell me I am wrong." -Albert Penello
I think if you look at the title which we launch, which were multiplatform titles. The bulk of them were the same. I think there were 12 titles were released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], leaving three, all of them had the same performance on both boxes. Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are just a [few] weeks in, we just shipped, its a long generation." - Albert Penello
"It's like, we're the movie theater that has all the blockbuster movies, and has the most screens, and then somebody has figured out that there's also another movie theater that has less screens but if you look at this one movie, like, sometimes it looks better on their screen. And in our movie theater, sometimes some of our movies look better." -Albert Penello
"Performance: Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.
People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years " -Albert Penello
I think if you look at the title which we launch, which were multiplatform titles. The bulk of them were the same. I think there were 12 titles were released on both platforms [PS4 and Xbox One], leaving three, all of them had the same performance on both boxes. Everybody wants to focus on frame rate, there is Tomb Raider, there is a resolution thing going on and OK, there could be a lot of reasons why that could be true but we are just a [few] weeks in, we just shipped, its a long generation." - Albert Penello
"It's like, we're the movie theater that has all the blockbuster movies, and has the most screens, and then somebody has figured out that there's also another movie theater that has less screens but if you look at this one movie, like, sometimes it looks better on their screen. And in our movie theater, sometimes some of our movies look better." -Albert Penello
"Performance: Im not dismissing raw performance. Im stating as I have stated from the beginning that the performance delta between the two platforms is not as great as the raw numbers lead the average consumer to believe. There are things about our system architecture not fully understood, and there are things about theirs as well, that bring the two systems into balance.
People DO understand that Microsoft has some of the smartest graphics programmers IN THE WORLD. We CREATED DirectX, the standard APIs that everyone programs against. So while people laude Sony for their HW skills, do you really think we dont know how to build a system optimized for maximizing graphics for programmers? Seriously? There is no way were giving up a 30%+ advantage to Sony. And ANYONE who has seen both systems running could say there are great looking games on both systems. If there was really huge performance difference it would be obvious.
I get a ton of hate for saying this but its been the same EVERY generation. Sony claims more power, they did it with Cell, they did it with Emotion Engine, and they are doing it again. And, in the end, games on our system looked the same or better.
Im not saying they havent built a good system Im merely saying that anyone who wants to die on their sword over this 30%+ power advantage are going to be fighting an uphill battle over the next 10 years " -Albert Penello
Well they kinda do, look at the back of any game case like Assassins creed blackflag. It says on the back "1080 HD video output"
1080p: Only on Playstation
Maybe they weren't going for superior specs and were going for audience and exclusive money?
This was the point where Microsoft went downhill for me. It doesn't make me angry when a company makes an "underpowered" product. But this deliberate spreading of ridiculous falsehoods is beyond what anyone should accept as normal PR. The backfiring is well deserved.
They created DirectX, man.
CoD Ghosts
Tomb Raider DE
Fox News of gaming journalism
Seriously, that site should be fucking banned.
Neuromancer
Member
Yep
"We purposefully did not target the highest end graphics. We targeted it more as a broad entertainment player." -Microsoft engineer
CadetMahoney
Member
No wonder they're losing. A kinectless xbox would be undeniable proof this "broad entertainment player" was a bad idea, let alone losing most of their marketshare.
I wish it was but that's just my opinion. I will never give that site clicks though.
MisterXDTV
Member
PS3:
PS4:
Amazing Difference!
PS4:
Amazing Difference!
Portugeezer
Member
CoD Ghosts
Fox News of gaming journalism
They must have been really happen when they found a tiny "reason" to give the PS4 version a lower score. "suck it fanboys"
DevilStrider
Neo Member
I have COD:G for the PS4 and I noticed more than a few framerate drops while playing it.
I'm only really speaking to why there will be a lot of teasing/trolling in such threads. They'll exist because they give a point of reference for comparison between the two consoles - either for new customers to understand how multi-plats perform or for dual console owners to understand better any differences.
Clearly this gen it looks like it'll all be one way traffic - but I guess the usefulness remains in principle.
sechsterangriff
Member
Except they forgot who are the early adopters, the implication it has on word of mouth and the power of social networks, and probably never expected for SONY to primarily focus on games and to announce and launch the PS4 so soon.
LittleJohnny
Banned
I wouldn't say barely, I think this would be in line with Call of Duty Ghosts, looks significantly more detailed on the Bone compared to 360, next gen assets for sure, and this is running 60fps vs 30fps whereas COD: G is 60fps on both, so the difference between 360 and X1 is more significant than CoD, however the disparity in resolution from the PS4 is big. Hopefully they employed some good AA so it doesn't look too jaggie. 60fps is welcome.
When you look at Snake, you can definitely see the shaders/assets are on par with the PS4 version, but that res difference is killer with the finer details.
Rogue Agent
Banned
People were fine with 24 fps(even lower) in MGS 4, i am sure they won't mind.
Hah!
Really hope they release an enhanced port of MGS4 one day, hate the framerate dips.
Can they justify Xbone at $400? It will still be less powerful than PS4.
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
What is this?
So the Devs are deliberately not pushing the Xbox one to its max?
I don't even.
Tbh after the previous gen where everything was in Xbox's favour I don't see it easing up any time soon.
gamerforever
Banned
Surely the main reason for the difference is because Sony pulled a fast one and double the RAM and stuck in the faster one, which caught MS by surprise and it was too late by then!
VibratingDonkey
Member
The difference in lighting during night is like day-night.
Doubt the oldgen versions are 720p native. The difference in clarity is super ridiculous between PS3 and PS4. The difference between 360 and One is about what I'd expect between 720 and 1080. I'm no doctor but I'm calling it, old gen's closer to 600p.
Doubt the oldgen versions are 720p native. The difference in clarity is super ridiculous between PS3 and PS4. The difference between 360 and One is about what I'd expect between 720 and 1080. I'm no doctor but I'm calling it, old gen's closer to 600p.
thunder_snail
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it has Kinect value
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