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Face off DmC X1 PS4. Where for art thou AF!
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HappehLemons
Member
Really strange stuff.
ScriptedReality
Member
This looks really bad
I would take 900p over this:
jesus, Ninja Theory...
ClayKavalier
Banned
Bummer. I'm curious how noticeable the difference would be on my TV though compared to these zoomed in shots. That comparison with the last gen versions is just pathetic though.
I'm kind of hoping that the trend of the two consoles trading back and forth for having the best version of multiplats continues, it'll make it easier to justify getting an Xbox for me.
I'm kind of hoping that the trend of the two consoles trading back and forth for having the best version of multiplats continues, it'll make it easier to justify getting an Xbox for me.
staticneuron
Member
People state in the threads before that it is simply not a hardware issue because if it was ALL titles would suffer from this issue. This is an issue due to dev choice and the only way to know what is going on is for the dev to ask them. Suggesting that this is a problem with the console as many people already have is simply illogical.
Getting a real answer instead of being able to write a new article every time this happens (and not when it doesn't). No way in hell. Need those clicks.
It's funny how easy a site like Eurogamer would be to ask one of the many developers and companies they know and try to get an answer if it wasa choice for fps or of it is a SDK thing
Goodacre0081
Member
getting actual investigative journalism from the gaming press? wut?
Unfortunately no one has a clear idea about it. Big suspect SDK doesn't support the AF properly in the multiplat engine.
Interfectum
Member
It's gotta be an SDK issue.
Always-honest
Banned
Why doesn't Sony give instructions?
UE3 definitely suffers more of this issue. But other multiplat engines too show this problem.
Probably because they don't know how to fix it.
Okay I see. I see the SDK tools being mentioned. Hopefully it's just a small fix/update to the tools.
That's not exactly clear what's going on, but it's the most plausible reason.
Both of you mind pointing out who those people are instead of making blanket statements? Because clearly you were reading another Hardline Thread. Everybody was complaining. If anything I've seen you (Jaysimple) change your tune about graphical differences depending on the thread. I remember you were even banned in one for thread whining.
Also here is an image of resolution difference at the same magnification as the pics here. I'm not going to try and convince you but I'm posting it here because of this part of your comment
because I certainly am not convinced by that argument
Edit:
Those aren't extreme distances
here are the original images for reference
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/ar.../0/PS4_009.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
http://images.eurogamer.net/2013/articles//a/1/6/3/6/5/8/0/XO_009.bmp.jpg/EG11/quality/90/format/jpg
Two (EDIT: Make that Three) Capcom published games in a row that are better on the weaker hardware.
lol
Hopefully they patch the AF, because holy shit does it make the textures look terrible on the PS4 version.
The filtering makes the textures look worse than the last gen versions.
Journey
Banned
Both of you mind pointing out who those people are instead of making blanket statements? Because clearly you were reading another Hardline Thread. Everybody was complaining. If anything I've seen you (Jaysimple) change your tune about graphical differences depending on the thread. I remember you were even banned in one for thread whining.
Also here is an image of resolution difference at the same magnification as the pics here. I'm not going to try and convince you but I'm posting it here because of this part of your comment
because I certainly am not convinced by that argument
You know that those items captured are from an extreme distance, right? whereas AF issues can be seen from just a few feet away, and not just a little blurrier or jaggier, we're talking eraser blurred textures or non existing artwork.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
WTF... The Playstation 4 isn't looking so hot lately. Is this a hardware issue?
Both of you mind pointing out who those people are instead of making blanket statements? Because clearly you were reading another Hardline Thread. Everybody was complaining. If anything I've seen you (Jaysimple) change your tune about graphical differences depending on the thread. I remember you were even banned in one for thread whining.
Also here is an image of resolution difference at the same magnification as the pics here. I'm not going to try and convince you but I'm posting it here because of this part of your comment
because I certainly am not convinced by that argument
I wasn't talking about some zoomed in screenshots, of course there is a clear difference then, just like there is a clear difference when i go right up to my TV.
What i said was "From where i game from" which is on my bed. I struggle to see a difference between resolutions on my 32inch TV from my bed, bad AF is glaringly obvious though.
ArchedThunder
Banned
We don't know what the issue is, but considering only like 8 games suffer from this it is likely not a problem with the hardware, but the software.
Nope. But could be an API/library issue.
There is a lack of AF more noticeable on the street but, what about that red sign texture?
Look at the base of that tree. Soup, soup everywhere.
Looks like it considering fafa's post(think he used to work at NT).
ArchedThunder
Banned
Hmmm
I'm confused by this, does this imply that there isn't much of a problem but something with the API isn't quite straight forward and thus a few people haven't used it right not realizing it?
NullPointer
Member
What the hell is going on with this?Two (EDIT: Make that Three) Capcom published games in a row that are better on the weaker hardware.
lol
Hopefully they patch the AF, because holy shit does it make the textures look terrible on the PS4 version.
The filtering makes the textures look worse than the last gen versions.
That's... horrible.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Thanks itsy really odd to see the lack of proper AF on ps4. Hope it gets solved soon
ArchedThunder
Banned
As I said, it only affects a small number of games, so it isn't AS big of a problem as some make it out to be, but it is absolutely a huge problem in the games it does affect. Since the number is growing slowly people are making a bigger and bigger stink about it so I imagine we won't see this happen terribly too much more and hopefully by next year we won't ever see it again.
It'd also be nice if some devs patch the AF problems in their games. Capcom in general needs to make sure some PS4 patches go out for the games they've published. It's pretty hilarious will all the deals Sony is striking with them that their multiplatform games are worse on PS4.
RedAssedApe
Banned
combination of lazy devs and sdk i bet
Too bad there's already countless PS4 games that this shit has ruined. Sony fucked up. Sony should fix their fuckups asap. This is getting out of hand.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Not sure if you are being serious, because I can count them very easily on two hands with fingers to spare.
You're not being serious right, I literally can't tell.
Andronicus
Banned
Smh...pls stop
I doubt in-game this difference would matter or make someone pause and stop in their tracks to even 10 people in the whole world. What PS4 gamer is going to pause while in the heat of battle and say "gosh I still have the comparison shot vivid in my memory, this does not look good". I remember people losing their fucking minds over how awful the rivets looked on the abandoned plane in Tomb Raider XB1's intro compared to PS4, one year ago. And when I played that part on XB1 I wasn't going to pause and zoom in on the rivets in Tomb Raider while I'm enjoying the set pieces / story / game play.
Krusenstern
Banned
This is pretty fucking shocking, and so bad I would call it broken. For shame.
Okay, this is pretty whack. I'm really eager to know what's the problem.
No.
And in fact pretending that it could be a hardware issue isn't helping.
Form Infamous Second Son's review (March 2014)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-vs-infamous-second-son
It's not Hardware. At all.
The remaining possible culprits are:
- The SDK (but then -every- single 3rd party title would have a lack or problem with AF).
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-dragon-age-inquisition-face-off
NOPE. Not the SDK.
Other proof: Alien Isolation (both PS4 and XB1 run it @ 1080p30):
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-alien-isolation-face-off
Which leaves ... The engines? Or the Devs themselves (choice for performance balance, or skill if complicated ... or?), OR whatever tools used to port Direct X titles to OpenGL (the PS4 version)...
Afaik so far, 4 engines are known in games that have had problems:
- Chrome Engine 6 (Dying Light)
- Cry engine 4 (Evolve)
- Unreal Engine 3 (Strider, Thief, Murdered: Soul Suspect, DmC)
- Unreal Engine 4 (Dying Light)
About UE3, it's a bummer that DF didn't do a Tech Analysis or Face off on Sherlock Holmes Crimes and Punishments, as it is a prominent title that uses UE3. If anyone who has the game can pitch in on the quality of AF there, you are more than welcome.
Also, not sure what engine Saints Row 4 uses (it does have some AF problems on PS4)
Engines known to have had good AF on PS4:
- Frosbite 3 (DAI...)
- No specific problems had been reported (afaik) on the Ubisoft titles (AC or Far Cry) or the Activision ones (whether COD or Desinty, both using in house engines)
It is to be noted that Alien Isolation also features an in house engine which pushes 16x Anisotropic filtering @ 180p30 on PS4 (according to DF/ some very minor fps drops and no tearing throughout thanks to vsync).
You know, I've lurked around on neogaf for awhile before considering a membership and have seen a lot of developers on the forums, but has there ever been a developer come here and explain specific problems with developing a game on a certain platform?
They might have gag orders against that, right?
They might have gag orders against that, right?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Doesn't look bad to me...
Maybe not "great", but it's definitely there (as noted in DF, and in the GAF member photo posted below).
credit: Lockonstratos
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108608019&postcount=180
Alien Isolation also hits a 16x AF at 1080p30, as mentionned previously.
Maybe not "great", but it's definitely there (as noted in DF, and in the GAF member photo posted below).
credit: Lockonstratos
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=108608019&postcount=180
Alien Isolation also hits a 16x AF at 1080p30, as mentionned previously.
Games can use different AF per texture/material. This screenshot shows an AF value in brickroad texture that is not present in the grass texture in the same shot.
Screenshots I posted before show a really low AF value sometimes really similar to regular trilinear.
Your post
(nm, I found where to click to enlarge the pic. All the shots you posted do have AF to some varying degree as far as I can tell).
So, these shots DO have AF, and Alien Isolation has a 16x. So what now?
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