Think, it also depends on the displays pixel density. On my Acer 28" 4K Gsync, I don't need to use any AA, but I can see someone with 40" or greater would still need some form.
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NVIDIA Pascal GPU to feature 17B transistors and 32GB HBM2, coming Q2 2016 (earliest)
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Think, it also depends on the displays pixel density. On my Acer 28" 4K Gsync, I don't need to use any AA, but I can see someone with 40" or greater would still need some form.
Okay that makes sense. I'm just perfectly happy with 1080p atm. But then again I haven't seen native 4k gaming.
cleveridea
Member
Guys buy a card now, enjoy pascal when it finally actually comes out (based on AMD competition versus the silicon taping out etc - ie the business has to make sense not just the technology)
I wouldnt be surprised to see pascal launch first as a high precision card for the pro market since Titan X sacrificed that versus the prior titan.
Been loving my Titan X playing Witcher 3 on my 1080p (3D vision, 144Hz) monitor
By the time pascal comes out and makes sense, I'll play again at 1440 or 4K
I wouldnt be surprised to see pascal launch first as a high precision card for the pro market since Titan X sacrificed that versus the prior titan.
Been loving my Titan X playing Witcher 3 on my 1080p (3D vision, 144Hz) monitor
By the time pascal comes out and makes sense, I'll play again at 1440 or 4K
Depends on how far you are from the display too. I'd want AA in your scenario, but it's not really necessary on a 4k tv if you're sitting on a couch. In both cases adding AA helps, but isn't a terrible idea to just turn it off if you're trying to boost fps to 60.
Nothings a leap. Most of what's in there has been assumed for a while from what they've said in the past.
As others have noted in here, the only unexpected part was 32GB, but that'll be the pro version/Titan.
I would, but there's no point shelling out £200 now and then spend tons on the top end Pascal cards. Even selling the previous, it doesn't make sense when I can just play PS4 for a year.
dr_rus
Member
sorry, got the names mixed up. I'm talking about this
this is a desktop card. if this isn't outside the realm of possibility, then nvidia better have a desktop card to answer it or they will be left behind.
This card is selling for a premium above it's own performance league right now because it has HBM1 on it mostly. But this isn't even important - what's important is that this card's GPU is using an old, proved, tested and relatively cheap 28nm production process.
The biggest cost concerns are in the new 16nm production process and not in HBM2 - which probably will cost more than GDDR5 as well but the difference won't be as dramatic as in case of 600mm^2 chips made on 28 and 16 nanometers.
Depends a lot on content.
If you have HDR buffer which has contrast differences of order of maginude you always need some sort of AA.
TSMC Begins Volume Production of 16nm FinFET Process Nvidia Pascal GP100 GPU Among the Products in Production
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2015/08/11/2003625049
http://wccftech.com/tsmc-begins-volume-production-16nm-finfet-nvidia-pascal-gp100-gpu/
http://hexus.net/tech/news/industry/85565-tsmc-starts-volume-production-16nm-chips/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/212221-tsmc-quickly-ramping-up-16nm-volume-production
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2015/08/11/2003625049
http://wccftech.com/tsmc-begins-volume-production-16nm-finfet-nvidia-pascal-gp100-gpu/
http://hexus.net/tech/news/industry/85565-tsmc-starts-volume-production-16nm-chips/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/212221-tsmc-quickly-ramping-up-16nm-volume-production
dr_rus
Member
28nm will live for a couple years from now still. I'm not even sure that we'll have any GeForces on 16nm by this time next year - there is a reason why NV would push out a big Pascal first but there's slim chance of it coming out as even a Titan in 2016. We'd better hear about some GP104 soon because this is likely the GPU which will launch in gaming market segment in 1H16.
It's also interesting that Nvidia is skipping standard 16nm FinFET, as Pascal will use 16nm FinFET+
Also, even assuming some delays with 10nm FF (FF+ for 10nm I presume) by the time Microsoft and Sony next-gen appears (2019 earliest, 2020 most likely) 10nm would probably have been in volume production for a long time and the most advanced processes like 7nm EUV may or may not be ramping up for other things.
Also, even assuming some delays with 10nm FF (FF+ for 10nm I presume) by the time Microsoft and Sony next-gen appears (2019 earliest, 2020 most likely) 10nm would probably have been in volume production for a long time and the most advanced processes like 7nm EUV may or may not be ramping up for other things.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Really excited about these. Sounds like the thing I'm saving my tax return for.
Hopefully.
dr_rus
Member
Hopefully you're wrong. I hate thsee tiny ass jumps.
Makes me wish Samsung would go ahead and buy AMD and get into the GPU game just to make competiton for NVIDIA. They hate them enough to probably pull that move out of spite.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Yeah, I'll be shocked if NVIDIA pushes hard with Pascal, especially with AMD being such a non-factor. The second generation with Pascal's successor might be where it's at.
Dictator93
Member
I imagine it will be like this as well, then the big Pascal will come out and be shiva, destroyer of worlds.
Obviously the 8800 GT is the card everyone remembers, but the 8800GTX (and the Ultra specifically) was such a monster forward thinking beast. Due to its extra large memory set up, it basically scaled ´super far into the future. In moments were the 8800 GT had shading power but not enough VRAM, the 8800 GTX came in and stomped all over the place.
Awesome card.
I had dual 8800gtx's. Those things were monsters.
DarkWilSin666
Neo Member
Wow simply amazing, thank you for the information.
dr_rus
Member
Last time I checked Samsung was limited by the same laws of physics as everyone else -)
adampa1006
Banned
Done with AMD, will buy this next year.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
WTF...I'm never going to upgrade if stuff comes out so quickly.
cleveridea
Member
First Witcher 3 mod announcement then this.
Nice.
Nice.
If you upgrade at the release of a new GPU, it's usually around a year before there is an equivalent new card available to replace it from the same vendor.
dreampeppers99
Member
In a near future we'll have instead of Video Card, Computer Graphic Unit
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I feel like a pauper trying to enjoy a wealthy man's hobby.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Such low expectations in this thread. You guys are like the beaten housewife who is grateful when her drunk husband doesn't throw his beer at her head.
FF Seraphim
Member
I'm still running a GTX 680 so I need to update my card looks like I will wait for the Titan version of this.
Not when you got deep pockets like they do. How is it a physics thing when the technology is already available, but only distributed to the top dogs first? It's a money thing right now. There have been smaller die sizes for years now, but it only goes to everyone else except the discrete GPU market. They would probably also be able to create a better R&D group than what AMD has now. Plus we'd probably get better aesthetics instead of those vomit inducing "GAMER" aesthetic cards that AMD and their partners put out. Samsung always had some classy looking stuff.
Well something's got to happen because AMD's stocks haven't been this low since the 1970's. Which is even worse if you take into account inflation. $1.84 a share. Someone is waiting for it to get just low enough for them to swoop in and get a deal.
Rockstar Beaver
Banned
I am glad I just bought a GTX 960 when I just built my computer 3 months ago. I am just gaming on a 1080p 60hz monitor, right now. When these cards comes out... boom new video card and monitor.
soulassssns
Banned
I guess I'll keep rocking my GTX 760 a little bit longer.
Are we taking about the same Samsung here?
You say whatever you want, but at least it doesn't look like AMD and friend's juvenile aesthetics.
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These have been some of the slowest upgrades in a while and one of the first real actual (hopefully) substantial upgrades in forever.
PC gaming is the pits for this.
Saying that, not upgraded my processor for a long time 3770k that runs at 4.8 on low volts all day and a 780 6gb should see me through on a 2k g sync monitor until pascal.
You likely quite wrong if only because they skipped multiple in between processes rather then just reach to the next new node. True 28 nm to 16 nm scaling would make chips nearly 1/4th the size. Power doesn't scale as well anymore but should be enough to give them significant headroom as well. Though I know different foundries have been playing with the numbers so I'm not sure if it's true 16nm anymore at all. There is always the option that they take the destroyer of worlds chips and make them enterprise only for huge margins though if AMD doesn't come out swinging as well.
Sanctuary
Member
Glad I haven't upgraded my GTX 780 yet. The only game out now that I own that would have really benefitted (not even that much though with Hairworks off) from something more powerful would be TW3. I was planning on upgrading next summer anyway, so we'll see how much of a leap this is for gaming.
That memory sounds like a wet dream for anyone who plays with a high amount of high quality texture mods too.
That memory sounds like a wet dream for anyone who plays with a high amount of high quality texture mods too.
I'm waiting for Skylake 6700k to finally become available in the US for my upgrade from my ancient Core2 Q6700 I wanted to wait till skylake-E but it started hanging and now boots once every time in 10 to push the issue.
Volta is rumored to be due out in 2017 for HPC use, but not in consumer graphics cards until 2018. Totally unconfirmed, but for now I'll believe it for a couple of reasons.
First, Nvidia originally announced Volta in early 2013 as the next architecture after Maxwell. A year later they swapped out the name Volta for Pascal. This year, both Pascal and Volta appeared on the same roadmap.
Pascal looks like H1 2016 - Volta looks like it could make Q4 2017 - But again, the rumor was Volta for HPC in 2017, certainly consumer GTX Volta cards won't be seen until sometime in 2018.
Second thing is, Nvidia should have plenty of headroom on 16nm FF+ after Pascal, after finally moving from 28nm to 16nm FF+ - Volta could be to Pascal what Maxwell was to Kepler. A major refresh, not completely new architecture. It's often been said both Pascal and Volta will make use of NV Link.
Perhaps one difference between Pascal and Volta might be Pascal uses HBM2 and Volta uses HBM3 or the Hybrid Memory Cube they originally planned for the Volta intended for 2016.
Pure speculation of course. Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong, as I probably am on some things.
First, Nvidia originally announced Volta in early 2013 as the next architecture after Maxwell. A year later they swapped out the name Volta for Pascal. This year, both Pascal and Volta appeared on the same roadmap.
Pascal looks like H1 2016 - Volta looks like it could make Q4 2017 - But again, the rumor was Volta for HPC in 2017, certainly consumer GTX Volta cards won't be seen until sometime in 2018.
Second thing is, Nvidia should have plenty of headroom on 16nm FF+ after Pascal, after finally moving from 28nm to 16nm FF+ - Volta could be to Pascal what Maxwell was to Kepler. A major refresh, not completely new architecture. It's often been said both Pascal and Volta will make use of NV Link.
Perhaps one difference between Pascal and Volta might be Pascal uses HBM2 and Volta uses HBM3 or the Hybrid Memory Cube they originally planned for the Volta intended for 2016.
Pure speculation of course. Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong, as I probably am on some things.
or wrong on everything
TC McQueen
Member
Well, when you're ultra paranoid about performance, you tend to spend a bit more on the GPUs.
It doesn't help that GPU prices have been trending upward for the last few years, aside from great deals like the 970 and 980 Ti.
SlaughterX
Banned
Man. I don't wait to wait that long I need to upgrade before F4 comes out.