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how much wast spent on windows ME? That is shitter than vista
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how much wast spent on windows ME? That is shitter than vista
The roller coaster has really already ended for Microsoft, technically. The only thing that would change where it ended up is if they announced an end to their anti-consumer practices, which seems highly unlikely to me at this stage. Because unless they announce an end to that, the rest of their show is essentially a blank for me and many, many others. They can announce they'll be buying out Sony and Nintendo combined and without a change to those policies, all I would hear is some variation of Charlie Brown listening to any adult.
I think it's more the name "Windows" hurts their other products. If they called this next system "Windows Box" or something like that, it would probably hurt them as Windows as a name doesn't inspire that level of confidence in consumers these days.
professor_t
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I hope someone writes a book one of these days about what went on behind the scenes with MS leadership. I think it would be a fascinating read.
Silly.Mikey
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Yeah yeah, but they deal with hardware now and have been since the original xbox (practically called it xbox1 for fuck sakes). I think its about time they hire a few engineers who know what the fuck their doing.
For me its very simple now, ps4 at launch wait and see on Xbone. Fuck that, i aint touching this shit on day one.
Well they did cancel the media roundup after their E3 conference (acc. to the link in my post). So no, they won't be able to spin it. They seem to want to avoid it all together.
OminousShadow
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E3 2013 will definitely be one for the history books.
ThisWreckage
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Sony caught everyone with their pants down. A lot of people didn't feel like the PS4 was going to launch in 2013. A lot of people felt it was going to be a spring of 2014 launch at the earliest because of the PS3's 199.99+ price tag and the software library. When Sony came out swinging with 8 GB of GDRR5 RAM and announced they would be releasing this year everyone was taken aback. Microsoft did not expect this whatsoever.
Wait, really? Or am I missing sarcasm here? Cause that seems crazy.
Probably a smart move. This'll just get buried in E3 news and reveals and no one in the press will remember to call them on it.
Alebrije
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Lovercraft could be the writer if alive.
Manmademan
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Windows phone and Microsoft Surface would love to know how this works.
I'm with you buddy. People seem to go crazy about rumors. Its just rumors. People just need to chill. Getting all worked up about it now isn't going to change anything.
Silly.Mikey
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They would know at a better price. Pro surface at the price of the cheap one, youve got a winner. The problem is MS think theyre apple.
GoofsterStud
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Waylon Drums
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I have chortles.
maquiladora
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It was just rumors until it became truthfact.
Jake Tower
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Also: Kin
I still have one!
Yeah, I was gonna say. ME was legitimately a bad product. Vista just had a seven-month period of lacking some driver support (which was still better than other OSs on the market aside from the decked-out XP) and massive waves of users installing it on below-recommended spec systems. The OS itself was fine. The dev-side frustrations were more understandable, if short lived, but ME was atrocious. It's the best example of a botched OS product.
GoofsterStud
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Manmademan
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I didn't forget it (I had this discussion with another poster a week or so back) just didn't want to turn into a list war with the corpse of microsoft's failed hardware ventures.
MS does well in spaces where they have an established monopoly (windows), or can leverage that monopoly (Office, Internet Explorer) but outside of that, they've been spectacularly terrible with making inroads with new hardware product, piles of money or no.
I'm at the point where I'm thinking the success of the 360 was more lucky accident than design.
Silly.Mikey
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Its just rumors yes, but to every rumor there's a little bit of truth. And after the last xbox which had a ridiculous death rate, and now these rumors of "troubles" could you blame anyone if they didnt just jump in without really thinking about it first?
After the last xbox, we have the right to be skeptical. I went through 5 myself.
Somebody posted this rumor in another thread. Seems like MS spent a boatload of money paying off third parties to only show their titles at MS' booth. Pretty pathetic if true. Because it implies they didn't want bad E3 press from people comparing versions.
And with some rumors, it's all truth. This was the same problem with Wii U. We had a good year where people did nothing but shoot the messenger, even if it was the absolute truth in the end.
JoeyJungle
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Aren't Window Phones pretty solid devices for $99 usually? I don't think price is the issue, its functionality. People aren't completely stupid and susceptible to marketing, they at least do some basic research into what their needs are.
From a business perspective, why should they do that? They would only lose more money. A timlely release, even with a limited amount of shippable units, would benefit them more. The release of a further gimped XBone won't change their strategic position either. Their console is already substantially weaker compared to the PS4.
All argued from a business perspective, mind you. But MS is a business first and foremost.
Evil Beaver
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It's Leo From Gilbert Grape man, get it together!
lmao keep it real bro.
YouEnjoyMySelf
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Yep. I feel the truthfact coursing through my veins, supplying every cell in my body with the truthfact it needs to believe.
CBOAT for internet president. Seriously good stuff.
velociraptor
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Reach is the best Halo game.
These are all markets that have either adopted into the mature ecosystems of Microsoft's competitors and have no reason to be early adopters of Microsoft's immature system(Phones and Tablets); or they are industries that rely on consistency due to simple needs of the software and custom programs and are loathe to upgrade every few years (Windows 8). In the latter case, Gaming Enthusiasts gravitate toward the newer iterations due to Microsoft walling of new versions of Direct X. But you would be surprised that large companies, the largest consumers of licences, are still happily running versions of Windows XP; often with critical software not supported in newer Windows iterations. That's why Microsoft was forced to continually support XP after their roadmaps assumed it's obsolescence.
Microsoft's Xbox Division is the only division where they can possibly force a new system upon a large segment of consumers.
bigboss370
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We fucking get it bro. PC is super awesome!
No one gives 2 hoots in a console thread.
If the result of all this is a stable product that's less powerful than the PS4 but more powerful than the Wii U, has a few more features in the "service" category than competing systems, and has a nice portfolio of popular titles, assuming its marketed well, I think Microsoft would be fine. Assuming the behind-the-scenes leaks are accurate, that would be a "best case scenario," which is important to keep in mind.
I have no sense of if that's possible at this point. There's certainly been more actions clearly in the "incompetent" column than I generally see from Microsoft, so that's something to keep in mind, but there's definitely a lot of gleeful negativity here all pushing in the same direction. I'll happily watch the fires burn if that's what happens, but I also won't get so upset that I question the intentions of people who disagree with me about rumors. I see a bit of that here.
I have no sense of if that's possible at this point. There's certainly been more actions clearly in the "incompetent" column than I generally see from Microsoft, so that's something to keep in mind, but there's definitely a lot of gleeful negativity here all pushing in the same direction. I'll happily watch the fires burn if that's what happens, but I also won't get so upset that I question the intentions of people who disagree with me about rumors. I see a bit of that here.
It's better than ODST and Halo 2 by a long shot, but slightly behind the original Halo.
/Never played Halo 3. Halo 2 suppressed my enthusiasm for a few years.
Captainsweatpants
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Don't worry guys, people can still downport 3rd Party Wii U games to the Xbone.
JoeyJungle
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I'm so confused....
Manmademan
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Spot on. Microsoft is currently in third or tied for second worldwide, depending on who you believe.
This would be one thing if the xbox was equally viable among all territories (as nintendo and sony tend to be) but it's ONLY dominant in the US and the UK- Sony is simply too large to ignore in the rest of the EU, and Microsoft is a complete non entity in Japan. The 360 is basically the Sega Genesis of the 7th Generation.
No third party in their right mind is going to gimp their titles for Microsoft when there are that many people who don't consider the xbox a good option.
Evil Beaver
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The only thing I liked about that game was that I could play the game as a female SPARTAN and the scenes with Jorge.
Back on topic! Despite all the negativity and bad press MS has received since the XB1 reveal you guys know that system is going to sell well. Your average Joe doesn't know crap about ESRAM issues or downgraded GPUS thus isn't concerned.
They'll turn on the TV and see Dorritos and Mt. Dew commercials for Halo 5 and COD: Ghost Dog and be bombarded with "XB1 to the exxxtreme bro!" You guys know that MS will come out swinging with their XB1 marketing campaign.
Two of our most trusted neoGAF insiders have said that Microsoft is reacting hard to what has went down, and so they're going to try to dismantle PS4's image as a "for gamers" console by paying publishers and devs to not show their multiplatform titles during E3 on a PS4. In other words, even if the multiplatform version is coming out for the PS4, they won't be able to show them at E3, thus contributing to the perception that somehow Sony is getting significantly less support for PS4 than Microsoft is "for gamers."
Of course, I'm sure multiplatform games will slip through - they can't possibly pay everyone - but it's extremely telling how they're choosing to spend their money. Rather than do the thing everyone wants, which is end the anti-consumer nonsense, they'll spend their time trying to deceive everyone instead. That should say it all about Microsoft since this year started
Because there is no way of knowing who is behind a post, shills end up poisoning the well. Regular people become cynical and either disengage or stop participating at all as nobody likes feeling manipulated. Astroturfers ruin communities, & in fact, in rare instances that is the goal.
that sounds really fucking disgusting
Manmademan
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Damn, how did I miss this? Incredibly shitty. Link?
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