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Why is Microsoft using a Nvidia GTX 7xx in the Xbox One demo units?
- Thread starter Trojita
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It's not uncommon at all for devkits to differ significantly in hardware from retail units, especially in physical form factor, storage space, networking, and memory...but a completely different video card solution is weird. PS3 Devkits had significantly more memory and are hulking behemoths, for example. source: used to test games
Vestal
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with a user name like that I shouldn't even bother but why not
you do know that currently you can code and run xbla games on x86 hardware right?? It is called xna. Look at that a layer that communicates with the x86 or whatever target platform. Now a layer like this can be manipulated to limit some of the hardware functionality or force emulation of some functionality to make a program work.
xna from what I understand will no longer be used for xboxone going forward. But in essence it represents a robust set of dev tools similar to what you can expect from the new SDK.
as far as the MS fanboy crap, not a fanboy since I own both hd twins currently and will be owning the next two eventually. However as of late yes you could say I defend some of MS policies. But I am in this thread because this particular issue is a freaking witch hunt.
I'm all for people discussing real issues like DRM, phone in paywalls or what not. However this is not anything like that. This is making assumptions because of a picture and then blowing it completely out of proportion.
It's hard to hide it when during the video demonstration a spacebar prompt showed up.
outsida
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It wouldn't surprise me if it was. But then again none of those games look so great that they would need to fake what they were playing on on some smoke and mirrors styled stuff, especially Lococycle. You don't need the type of graphics card in that comp to run Lococycle I'm sure.
Vestal
Gold Member
hold on. That's actually kind of interesting.
could it be possible that this big machine is acting like the cloud and the box on the right in the other pictures is actually the dev kit??
.maybe a cloud server for all the machines on the row??
now you mention it, maybe you are right
maybe this PC is acting like virtual cloud to make the Xbox one work
Wow Blow is blowing the cloud hard right now.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Vestal
Gold Member
yeah I mean why else would that be there?? Would make no sense to put a cloud fixture or sticker inside a cabinet unless its to label something
wasn't that picture a photoshop ripping the piss?
This the pic in the OP
ops, some one tricked me in the fake photo, my bad
Vestal
Gold Member
lol. That was a damn good PhotoShop.
actually its not a good PhotoShop. Zoom in and you can see white pixels all over the top of the PC.
however the theory is still sound if the small box on the other pictures is present
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Oh my
its was fake
Felix Lighter
Member
LocoCycle specific situation apparently, though I'm sure others devs have made the same decision. Not a huge deal then.
indeed, i looked to it very closely, its look real to me
phosphor112
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He told me about that way before we even had a date for the PS4 announcement.
I wonder if they didn't had enough Xbox 1 to show case all the games.
Source : http://www.pcworld.com/video/26823/microsoft-booth-tour-e3-2013.html
Source : http://www.pcworld.com/video/26823/microsoft-booth-tour-e3-2013.html
Sentenza
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Flawless.
Karak
Member
And the developers of Ryse made it clear they were on the final hardware. Which I guess bodes well because the game may not look fun but it does look graphically good. To me at least.
PopcornMegaphone
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Vestal
Gold Member
you would have to Change the sensationalistic thread title too hehee.
Jumping onto every single platform of hope, no matter how small it is. I see.
Regarding your XBLA game comparison, I'm really speechless. Now that makes real dev kits useless, doesnt it? Hooray for the magic fairy sauce! Wait, what? You still need dev kits for bigger games? Blimey!
What you're trying to say doesn't even make sense. Whilst you're typing "XBLA", don't you realize it's not the same in the slightest? Its just as bad as the cellphone comparison.
I'm gonna follow my own recommendation and not reply to you further. You may want to delude yourself into thinking MS has not fucked up big time here ( I own a surface and a windows phone btw ), but I don't want to have anything ton do with it.
Of course not. You're clutching at straws now to try and spin this in a positive light.
At the very least, Azure servers just offer CPU offloading. They don't have top end GPUs in them.
The simple fact is, certain Xbone games were just the PC versions running on hardware several times more powerful than the console. They might as well have just prerendered everything, Killzone 2 style.
1. Lame, Microsoft jail sounds fucking stupid.
2. Why the fuck would you go to something like this, surrounded by tech and games, and be surprised that someone is pulling you aside after opening a cabinet that obviously held something owned by MS?
Vestal
Gold Member
Umm look at the pictures ffs you would have drawn the same conclusion if presented with that.. If you look further down it was confirmed that the "cloud" was placed there through a shop. Even then due to the other pictures posted you could speculate(like we all are) that this could be a cloud server and the dev kits are the smaller boxes in the other pictures posted here.
Regarding the rest. XNA was still emulation, off course you will still need Dev Kits. Emulation will never ever == Actual hardware.
My reason for bringing XNA up is that in fact they did build a layer through XNA for playing games on a PC. In XNAs case it was a layer that was able to compile for both X86 and PowerPC(xbox360) targets. Not as robust as the actual dev kit since the architecture was so different from that of a PC. Now you are developing for the same base target which is x64. This obviously alleviates part of the problem of emulation but not all of it since you still have custom hardware compared to standard hardware.
CassidyIzABeast
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well well well
As I pointed out before, if they're simply demoing some games using off-the-shelf computer setups spec'd to match the system, what's the second piece of hardware in each cabinet?
The left and middle cabinets I'm 98% sure are the box for the Polk Audio UltraFocus 8000 headphones. It's facing the camera the same way this guy holds it in this unboxing: http://youtu.be/lRXzWStaynA?t=1m27s
Same headphones that this guy is wearing:
Vestal
Gold Member
Yup straws, poster above me nailed it
Anyways like someone else stated earlier this was for LocoCycle not really the pinnacle of graphic prowess.. Which would even further work with the argument of it being developed on a normal PC since it is an XBLA title.. Indie games usually are not developed on Devkits.
Why would the game crash to a windows 7 hp branded desktop if it was just the "cloud" for all the consoles
It crashed to pc desktop because it was playing on the desktop.
Vestal
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Why would the game crash to a windows 7 hp branded desktop if it was just the "cloud" for all the consoles
Scroll to the top of this page and you will understand the confusion.
If Ryse was actually running on an actual XB1 and not a PC, does that make it more or less disappointing at this point?
reptilescorpio
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What do you guys expect? Early builds of games being played of PCs have been the norm forever. They probay got a bulk deal with HP for gaming PCs with top of the line Nvidia cards, and didn't think the nerds would notice.
No, that isn't the case.
This is clearly a PC version of the game. Period.
Why go through the hassle of making a build of the game for the Xbone, then building an Xbone emulator just for demo purposes?
No, that isn't the case.
This is clearly a PC version of the game. Period.
Why go through the hassle of making a build of the game for the Xbone, then building an Xbone emulator just for demo purposes?
Who would have thought!
Right. It was concluded several pages back that it is a GTX 680.
The check would not be enabled on dev units.