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Getting too old for lewd anime games to support publishers

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Ryuukan

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After seeing the latest lewd anime game release to be banned on gaf, I feel like these games have moved on without me.

I remember being excited when Senran Kagura was announced by XSeed and downloading it as soon as it hit the eshop. The breasts in 3D felt like real innovation but the novelty wore off pretty fast. I still bought Shinovi Versus even though I didn’t enjoy the original that much. It certainly pushed the envelope more but after a few smutty screen grabs to share I lost interest in it completely. I look at pics and videos of upcoming games in this series and just shrug now.

Now with games that are banned from gaf, I’m not just questioning the content, I’m questioning the time and money that would be spent. These games not only feel like future court evidence but also an investment in guaranteeing more cheap thrills for $40. I understand some people buy these games to “support the publisher” but I really don’t think these games will lead to more of what you really want. It’s only going to lead to more shallow titles. To those who truly live by the lewd sword, you certainly don’t need anyone’s permission to buy what you want, but ask yourself this: “Isn’t my time and money worth more than this?”

Lately, I have been spending many hours playing Xenoblade Chronicles 3D and absolutely love it. I didn't play the original and with my awful eyesight, I can deal with the downgraded visuals. I feel this resurgence of wanting more substance from the games that I play. Sure, you can find sexual elements in lots of “deep” games out there, but they are still worth the time and money to play them.

In closing, a year ago, I was really looking forward to Moe Chronicle, but now when I see this:

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All that comes to mind now is “No, I don’t want to sleep together…and I can’t be your onii-chan anymore.”

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boredandlazy

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Not my kind of thing either. But I'm not going to not buy a game because the publisher has published something else with that sort of content.
 
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Mauricio_Magus

Banned
I'm not a big fan about "lewd-games" most of the time because they usually aren't that great gameplay wise, but if a game is good I don't really mind the fanservice at all.

Basically, I'll play a game if it's fun.
 
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TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
Congrats. Now you know why the PSP2 has failed: The market for it is flooded with nothing but these titles, it feels like. :/

As it is, it's a shame Atlus has stooped to Xseed's level to gain some quick profit off perverts. :/
 
Demoskinos

Demoskinos

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Depends on the game but if you're calling Senran Kagura shallow well then that's where we're going to have to disagree. I think there are still plenty of fan service titles out there that can embrace its sexual nature while still putting forth something that is actually compelling to play. And I think Senran Kagura stands out as the leader of the pack in that way.
 
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LiK

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hey, tastes change. buy the game based on content you enjoy, not because they happen to come from a publisher you like. movie/tv studios pump out good and bad shit as well. you aren't gonna be the audience for everything they release.
 
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Wynnebeck

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Trying to understand how Dungeon Travelers, Monster Monpiece, and Criminal Girls all got deleted, but we have quite a large thread about Hunie Pop. Now, the difference between these games doesn't escape me, I just feel if the mods are going to censor those games, then in effect all games of an adult nature such as that should be banned in the future, and that includes otome games/visual novels (IMO).
 
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FStubbs

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But yet Atlus/Sega won't bring over those "Shining" games on PSP.

The ninja game aside, I can't believe there's an actual Western market for these games.
 
Jawmuncher

Jawmuncher

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FStubbs said:
But yet Atlus/Sega won't bring over those "Shining" games on PSP.

The ninja game aside, I can't believe there's an actual Western market for these games.
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If we cut them out on the vita we would be pretty less games at retail.

YianGaruga said:
Sorry, I was talking bout the screenshot. I'll clarify.
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It's fine. Banned games aren't some instant banning or censoring, when used as a example and are not the focus of the thread.
So OPs use is fine. Source: Talking to Admin
 
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Alrus

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Wynnebeck said:
Trying to understand how Dungeon Travelers, Monster Monpiece, and Criminal Girls all got deleted, but we have quite a large thread about Hunie Pop. Now, the difference between these games doesn't escape me, I just feel if the mods are going to censor those games, then in effect all games of an adult nature such as that should be banned in the future, and that includes otome games/visual novels (IMO).
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Well the thing is most of the lewd games allowed here don't feature overtly pedophile imagery.
 
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Corpekata

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Wynnebeck said:
Trying to understand how Dungeon Travelers, Monster Monpiece, and Criminal Girls all got deleted, but we have quite a large thread about Hunie Pop. Now, the difference between these games doesn't escape me, I just feel if the mods are going to censor those games, then in effect all games of an adult nature such as that should be banned in the future, and that includes otome games/visual novels (IMO).
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I think age is the cutoff. Hunie Pop is stupid as shit but I don't think there's anyone that looks like they're 10 like one of the Dungeon Traveller pictures posted on the that thread before it got locked.
 
pancakesandsex

pancakesandsex

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Wynnebeck said:
Trying to understand how Dungeon Travelers, Monster Monpiece, and Criminal Girls all got deleted, but we have quite a large thread about Hunie Pop. Now, the difference between these games doesn't escape me, I just feel if the mods are going to censor those games, then in effect all games of an adult nature such as that should be banned in the future, and that includes otome games/visual novels (IMO).
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It's the combination of smut and really young looking characters that got them axed. Not smut alone.
 
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Ryuukan

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Demoskinos said:
Depends on the game but if you're calling Senran Kagura shallow well then that's where we're going to have to disagree. I think there are still plenty of fan service titles out there that can embrace its sexual nature while still putting forth something that is actually compelling to play. And I think Senran Kagura stands out as the leader of the pack in that way.
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That paragraph was specifically talking about the games that have been banned

I do realize Senran Kagura attempts to have character development in addition to the beat em up action
 
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DiscoShark

Banned
As an aside I don't know much about the particulars of the games that have been banned but it feels weird to have them be outed on a forum that apparently approves of discussion on games like Huniepop (granted, the OT is aimed at the sfw version but everything regarding the tongue in cheeky "We just play it for the puzzles" mantra seems to spell a disconnect) and all the other fun titles in the Visual Novel thread.

There's obviously a line between a lewd jrpg and an outright porn game but I just wonder about where that line is drawn and about the particulars that go into making that decision.

Edit : Reading is fun. Thanks Kyari.
 
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Somnid

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I don't know what happened with Vita publishers but this has really become a problem. One or two in a couple hundred games you expect to maintain content diversity but it seems there's some hyper lewd and objectifying loli game every couple of months. I'm not against exerting a bit of social pressure against it and I hope people stop buying it.
 
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AtomskEater

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I don't enjoy that games now seem to need this kind of content to sell. Like, I can tolerate it, especially if the game is good, but I won't lie that I'm turned off from playing those "games we can't talk about here" because it's all just so in-your-face.

Tastes change, people grow, regional differences, the market changes as well although not necessarily to suit everyone's needs, etc etc. Luckily there's still games to play where this stuff isn't the main draw, although it still tends to slip in here and there.


On the other hand I might just be salty as fuck because there's a lack of fanservice/pandering games for people who enjoy the other sex. Monster boy dungeon RPG when?
 
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Kyari

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DiscoShark said:
There's obviously a line between a lewd jrpg and an outright porn game but I just wonder about where that line is drawn and about the particulars that go into making that decision.
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Modbot was pretty clear in the post linked in the OP: underage imagery is a pretty firm line.
 
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装甲悪鬼村正

Banned
These fanservice games are disgusting.

As a true eroge connoisseur I demand payoff for all those bouncing tits and bare asses. Just teasing without fucking is worthless. I guess the concept of titillation is just lost on me or something.
 
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Orniletter

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I don't buy games for their fanservice either, OP.

The only riscy series I have any interest in is Senran Kagura. I don't know what it is. Yes they are shallow and janky. Yes, they are not even 7/10 games.

But there is something...strangely fun about SK's extremely over the top and tongue in cheek-y attitude .

I don't touch that Nis and Idea Factory crap with a tenfoot pole though.
 
SerTapTap

SerTapTap

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Nothing wrong with not buying games you're not personally interested in I guess. I mean there are some pretty shitty reasons (omg indies?! Give real games etc). But hey if a game is niche and you're not that niche and you don't want to buy it...now you know what niche means!

I understand some people buy these games to “support the publisher” but I really don’t think these games will lead to more of what you really want. It’s only going to lead to more shallow titles.
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Can't really agree here though, depends on the game I guess, but Senran Kagura has improved with leaps and bounds with every new title, as has Hyperdimension Neptunia (not quite in the same class of lewd but similar in terms of niche game and niche pub). It's actually really amazing how much some of these games have improved in a short timeframe where many western games barely struggle to improve over their last release in any noteworthy way (and not because they're perfect)

Orniletter said:
The only riscy series I have any interest in is Senran Kagura. I don't know what it is. Yes they are shallow and janky. Yes, they are not even 7/10 games.
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Estival Versus easily gets over a 7/10 from me, if I did review scores anyway
 
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daveo42

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Mauricio_Magus said:
I'm not a big fan about "lewd-games" most of the time because they usually aren't that great gameplay wise, but if a game is good I don't really mind the fanservice at all.

Basically, I'll play a game if it's fun.
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I'm pretty much in the same boat. If the game is good, then I'll play it and not be bothered by how lewd it comes across. I do, however, draw a firm line when it drops into creep territory with the inclusion of the sexualization of characters that look like children. That shit needs to just plain stop.
 
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Android18a

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My tolerance for anime games like this in general has steeply declined over the years. I used to eat it up, but now I can barely sit through the cutscenes in the Disgaea series, let alone stuff like Agarest, the Atelier series or Hyperdimension Neptunia. Luckily in the case of Disgaea, the gameplay shines through without having to watch the story :p Note: Not calling Disgaea Lewd or Garbage, but the storylines have been poor lately. Disgaea 4's Sardine joke wears thin wayyy to fast. But the game, I pump hundreds of hours into :)

I can't handle them anymore. I used to absolutely love it all, but it just seems so self-indulgent and creepy to me now.

I didn't realise how lewd some of these games are, until I went back and re-read some of this thread again. There's definitely too much of a 'loli' emphasis these days...
 
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HawthorneKitty

Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
This is actually one of my fears and I feel it manifesting first in my interest in anime and manga. I used to consume everything under the umbrella, especially the ecchi stuff. As the years have gone by, I now have leaned towards stories with older characters, preferably college or older. I've caught myself thinking on more than one occasion "man this could be so much more if the characters were older".

I'm scared.
 
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Wynnebeck

Banned
Alrus said:
Well the thing is most of the lewd games allowed here don't feature overtly pedophile imagery.
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Corpekata said:
I think age is the cutoff. Hunie Pop is stupid as shit but I don't think there's anyone that looks like they're 10 like one of the Dungeon Traveller pictures posted on the that thread before it got locked.
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pancakesandsex said:
It's the combination of smut and really young looking characters that got them axed. Not smut alone.
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Like I said, the "reason" is not lost on me. I just feel like if games of a sexual nature are banned from discussion, we should just ban all games past and future to make sure.
 
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Einbroch

Banned
If the game is good, the game is good. I get zero titillation from games like Criminal Girls, which I'm playing right now, but I'm enjoying it because the combat is good. If something turns you off, though, by all means, don't play it. That's totally up to you, but why can't people who do like it for the gameplay talk about it?

If the game in the OP is good, it's good. It's really hard to get me offended over fake things, and it bugs me when people don't want a game discussed because it has some questionable material. I want to discuss Dungeon Travelers 2 because I heard the game was quite good. Can't, even if it's strategies only.

I know there's a policy of "don't like our way, leave", which is totally their prerogative, so I think I'm gonna do that for gaming. Shame, as I really like this forum and the community, but I'm just fed up not being able to discuss all the games I enjoy.

Kind of a side rant, and if it's off topic, then I guess I'll take a ban. Don't want to, as I still want to interact with the communities of people I've grown to like, but I feel like I just had to say it, even if just for myself.
 
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bomblord1

Banned
Op I understand. The stuff is getting far too prevalent and as a fan of "anime style" games and JRPG's I am quick to give a second glance to many of these titles before realizing what they actually are which is just straight up pandering. The problem is more and more games are getting like this and I seen a quote not too long ago from a fairly big Japanese publisher talking about how "the demand for moe in the U.S. is increasing".

Games like you were talking about used to just be "Oh Japan" stuff that never made it west and if it did it didn't sell well. Now the amount of these disgusting titles has only been increasing. It's getting harder to find the games like Dangan Ronpa and Disgaea among the stuff that is just sexual exploitation the game. And there are getting more and more games that straddle the line and try to be both.

/rant
 
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Gradon

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What annoys me is that fans of these underage smut games act like they get censored or banned for discussion because they're of sexual content and you know... Not underage sexual content.
 
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BumblebeeCody

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To be honest, I have no issue with fan service games or games that are shallow at best. They aren't for me but I'm not going to pretend that that I haven't enjoyed playing the odd fan service game. Games are supposed to be fun and if Criminal Girls was a fun game, I'd play it.
It being banned from GAF is pretty silly but that's another topic.

Labrys said:
Is there a list of every banned gaf game or is it just those 4 or so?
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I think Hatred is too.
 
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Ryuukan

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CureVylash said:
another one of these fucking threads, I can't do this anymore, these threads are exhausting, I'm so tired
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I didnt make this thread to name and shame people

I just felt like we should expect more for our hard-earned money and valuable time and to tell Atlus USA "You can't see me"
 
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