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Why won't PC do checkerboard 4K? (it does)
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johnnydrama
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Seeing how Nvidia have pioneered technologies such as MFAA, G-sync, and Fast Sync, it's more than likely they're already working on something like this.
Backfoggen
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It's probably more noticeable up-close on a PC monitor.
johnnydrama
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There are many similar techniques such as the ones being used in Quantum Break and Rainbow Six Siege, so that really means nothing.
jediyoshi
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..upscaled.
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I personally don't want that stuff on PC. Native or go home.
But I guess more options are always good
But I guess more options are always good
Well other developers can do their own thing, but PC ports aren't exactly at the stage where they get optimized for stuff.
Most developers probably just expect users to toss a powerful enough PC build to run things at 4K.
Azure Dream
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I think Valve has been pushing this for VR rendering.
It's nothing like a standard upscale though, reconstruction is a better term.
Sutton Dagger
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Because native 4K looks way better and will continue to be achievable by cheaper and cheaper gpu's going forward.
MagicWithEarvin
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That's why PC gaming is uncompromised gaming, no tricks and no secret sauce. All raw power.
Of course, if you've got the money to spend for said uncompromised gaming.
Also, this. Single solution GPUs for 4K / 144Hz / G-Sync will be arriving soon, I can literally taste it.
dynamitejim
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It sounds like there's some custom hardware logic involved that makes it transparent for developers to implement. Maybe AMD will implement it in hardware for Vega.
GHG
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This is the thing that might well stop it happening. GPU manufacturers want to keep selling new GPU's and keep people upgrading. This wouldn't help them towards that goal.
johnnydrama
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But that's how PC works. Every game developer decides how much they want to push the hardware, and the players decide what resolution/framerate they want to play at. I don't know what "optimized for stuff" means on an open platform.
Native is still too expensive and chip fabrication advancements have slowed. DF recently tested 4K and only Titan Xp does it at ultra near-consistently.
https://youtu.be/eoGzZ9g8v1o
lowhighkang_LHK
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That's a pretty stupid mentality to have.
If it improves IQ in a cost-effective way, it should be something researched and if possible, implemented.
Yeah, I'm not sure if I see a hard push for it on the GPU manufacturers end. The next Nvidia 70 series will likely be trading blows with a Pascal Titan so native 4K/60 at fairly uncompromised settings will soon be possible on a mass market GPU. This would have made more sense a few years ago and it would still be welcome today as an option, but I can't imagine it's a priority.
It's like Durante has taught us nothing.
Nostremitus
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Why don't GPU's work with tiled areas on the screen?
So that, say, with a multi-GPU setup, you can give half the tiles to one, the other half to the other, instead of using every other frame.
So that, say, with a multi-GPU setup, you can give half the tiles to one, the other half to the other, instead of using every other frame.
Yeah but an upscale is typically just taking a base image and stretching it out to fit a larger number of pixels, this method is usually rendering 2x 1080p frames and using them to reconstruct a 4K frame, so even if you were to just call it an upscale you don't have a way to describe the base resolution it's upscaled from.
Reconstruction is far more accurate.
capitalCORN
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Because it's a poor cousin to the real thing? My 980ti can do 4K30fps+ easily. Last gen games are an easy 4K60fps+, without the need for 'remasters'. No one's going to pay premium price for 'approximation'.
Durante is all about PC having the most options... this is an option :↑
MagicWithEarvin
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Summer 2017 will be a hot one. Volta: $600 less than a Pascal Titan, HBM2. Pls.
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I'm just saying for me I won't use it, native is always king.
Stop judging shit by "ultra everything" was the point. It's terrible.
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Yea digital foundry always do this and it sucks.
Eh many cases ultra is not max.
Durante is against "right to max", not ultra as option.
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Ultra is always max, at least in every game I've ever played.
in the last 3 days of benchmarking my computer i've seen insane, epic, nightmare, max, etc.
"ultra" is just a preset.
Sometimes there's super taxing effects in there or a really expensive AA solution and other times there's not.
The current high end cards can already to real 4k, and that's only getting easier as time goes forward.
If there's an insane option, there's normally not a ultra option, if there's a nightmare option there's normally not an ultra option. It's all the same thing, no need to be obtuse about it.
Not really, some custom settings can still be cranked up. Your choice will be named "Custom" after that.
New Mirror's Edge has a Hyper setting
after Ultra. Doom has Nightmare haha.Doom goes high < Ultra < Nightmare for example. I'm not being obtuse, I'm just stating facts. I don't know what your trying to get at.
Overwatch also goes from Ultra < Epic. I can try and remember the other games I benchmarked if you would like me to? It's pretty normal to do it these days.
It's actually pretty common for games to have Ultra settings (by "Ultra" I'm taking you to mean highest possible preset regardless of arbitrary nomenclature) without having all the sliders turned up. Both recent Tomb Raiders, Fallout 4, and recent Total Wars just off the top of my head have all been this way.
KnightimeX_Legacy
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I don't know.
Some older PC games upscale horrifically or don't even scale at all.
Just a tiny box in the center of the monitor.
Checker scaling would be a godsend for retro games.
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Not really, some custom settings can still be cranked up. Your choice will be named "Custom" after that.
New Mirror's Edge has a Hyper setting
Well I haven't played those games so that makes sense!
But I assume in DF vids ultra just means maxed out, so they would use nightmare where available but still label it as ultra?
That's just silly.
If you have a 4K screen but lack the GPU grunt to get there then native is not possible. The checkerboard technique is hugely superior to just upscaling a 1080p image.
