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duckroll · Sep 16, 2016

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1020525.html

FFXV on PS4 Pro:

UC4 with HDR On/Off (left of the line is off, right of the line is on):

Horizon with HDR:

More at the link.

terencecah · Sep 16, 2016

does the ps4 pro improve the framerate or loading times for ff 15?

chefbags · Sep 16, 2016

Whoaah that ffxv looks gorgeous af but man I want some direct footage.

wapplew · Sep 16, 2016

I don't know about Pro, but I want that TV.

VertPin · Sep 16, 2016

Direct footage needed on FFXV stat.

MrOogieBoogie · Sep 16, 2016

Images look very bright, damn. It's like someone cranked the saturation.

Leona Lewis · Sep 16, 2016

I wish the messaging were clearer on enhancements for 1080p sets.

I don't plan on jumping into 4K until OLEDs only cost an arm instead of an arm and a leg, but I'm still interested in whatever benefits Pro might provide in the meantime.

Lucentto · Sep 16, 2016

Yep, it looks like PS4 Pro is going to be the way to play PS4 games going forward. All games released after October are required to have Pro versions correct? I'm not going to be happy if games released later this year and early next year won't support it.

Ray Down · Sep 16, 2016

Just noticed the TV they are using is the same 4K i just got.

GarciaHotspur · Sep 16, 2016

FFXV is on 4K on this image ? Or just 1080p with PS4 Pro ?

RootCause · Sep 16, 2016

Stunning. Can't wait to play Horizon, and RE7.

The Last One · Sep 16, 2016

This is FF XV in 4K, right? I wonder if they improved the graphics when running in 1080p.

Chamber · Sep 16, 2016

God damn...

ph1l0z0ph3r · Sep 16, 2016

Damn that FFXV looks amazing. Making it really hard to not grab a 4k for this November.

Notor!ousG · Sep 16, 2016

Lucentto said:
Yep, it looks like PS4 Pro is going to be the way to play PS4 games going forward. All games released after October are required to have Pro versions correct? I'm not going to be happy if games released later this year and early next year won't support it.

No, every PS4 game is required to boot on both (OG and Pro).

FarFromAnyGame · Sep 16, 2016

Don't judge HDR on those screens. it's something you HAVE TO see in-person!

Vaa · Sep 16, 2016

According to Gameblog, FFXV on PS4 Pro looks stunning (they say almost every aspect of the game is upgraded, no more clipping, steady framerate, better vegetation, etc.)

paolo11 · Sep 16, 2016

What framerate is FFXV running on 4k? If it is 30fps stable, that is beyond amazing

Jarod McChicken · Sep 16, 2016

Hope we get soon technical details about what they want to achieve with FFXV

Marty Chinn · Sep 16, 2016

It's still weird they're trying to show us with images online so we can all see it with our SDR screens which means we really can't see the true difference.

Lucentto said:
Yep, it looks like PS4 Pro is going to be the way to play PS4 games going forward. All games released after October are required to have Pro versions correct? I'm not going to be happy if games released later this year and early next year won't support it.

All games are required to be able to detect a Pro vs a standard PS4. Pro games have to have a minimum resolution of 1080p and that's more or less it. So saying all games have to have a Pro mode doesn't really mean much.

duckroll · Sep 16, 2016

terencecah said:
does the ps4 pro improve the framerate or loading times for ff 15?

The article mentions that compared to the Gamescom version, it looked much better. The graphics are more detailed, the textures are sharper, the framerate is stable and feels very smooth, and the level of detail on vegetation and so on is so much better. But it is unclear if these are all exclusively Pro improvements, given how the non-Pro playable version at TGS seems to be much improved too.

Terbinator · Sep 16, 2016

Where are the direcr feed images? At least for non-HDR anyway.

Inuhanyou · Sep 16, 2016

GarciaHotspur said:
FFXV is on 4K on this image ? Or just 1080p with PS4 Pro ?

Most likely checkerboard rendering with HDR

wmlk · Sep 16, 2016

I'm pretty satisfied if we get visuals of this level on PS4. Gonna be fun if we get a direct comparison.

Sithlord77 · Sep 16, 2016

I don't get HDR. Is it supposed to use extra resources and computational power on the console or it is something the tv will do as long as it supports it?

Im asking because every PS4 is now patched to support it. Doesn't that mean worse frame rates when you have it on?

Blackleg-sanji1 · Sep 16, 2016

wmlk said:
I'm pretty satisfied with visuals of this level. Gonna be fun if we get a direct comparison.

This is regular ps4 right? Honestly looks good

lowhighkang_LHK · Sep 16, 2016

MrOogieBoogie said:
Images look very bright, damn. It's like someone cranked the saturation.

That's how HDR comes across as when you take an off-screen picture of it, then put it up and view it on a non-HDR screen.

HDR is just a wider range of a selectable colors that a TV can use in the available color range, ultimately giving you a more accurate image. So in that sense, it really has nothign to do with contrast or brightness.

orochi91 · Sep 16, 2016

Stunning.

Gonna need to get an HDR set soon tho :v

MysteryM · Sep 16, 2016

That looks like the Sony zd9 with its master backlight drive. That's a top tier tv folks so dial back your expectations if you game on less.

S2G_Chris · Sep 16, 2016

Im still not super clear how the pro works, even after all the reading ive done

Like is it basically that the games are made a lot more pretty at 1080P with better AA and such, and then the GPU can render it at 4K via checkerboarding for no additional cost, so we get a heavily improved 1080P image being upscaled if you have a 4K TV/Native if you dont.

Or is it more like, games have a mode for 1080P sets (Improve AA and whatever else) and then a separate mode for 4K where it bumps the resolution as high as possible and then uses checkerboard rendering for the 4K signal (in some cases like TLOU it is native and checkerboard isnt used). But if thats the case, for these games is there no improvement to textures/AA/Draw distance? Like is it just the PS4 version running at a higher res?

Forgive me if these answers are out there, like i know Tomb Raider has the multiple mode thing. I just cant fully wrap my head around it

Edit: Regardless though, FFXV looks phenomenal

sappyday · Sep 16, 2016

wmlk said:
I'm pretty satisfied if we get visuals of this level on PS4. Gonna be fun if we get a direct comparison.

The images in the OP look better than does so I think the gif is Base PS4

RootCause · Sep 16, 2016

wmlk said:
I'm pretty satisfied if we get visuals of this level on PS4. Gonna be fun if we get a direct comparison.

I've never played a FF game before, but this gif... ;_;

duckroll · Sep 16, 2016

S2G_Chris said:
Im still not super clear how the pro works, even after all the reading ive done

The Pro is just a PS4 with better hardware in it. By itself it does almost nothing. But games can take advantage of the better hardware to run and look better. Existing games have to be patched to support the enhanced features. All games going forward will support Pro features.

The God · Sep 16, 2016

Ray Down said:
Just noticed the TV they are using is the same 4K i just got.

Which is?

Lucentto · Sep 16, 2016

Notor!ousG said:
No, every PS4 game is required to boot on both (OG and Pro).

Marty Chinn said:
All games are required to be able to detect a Pro vs a standard PS4. Pro games have to have a minimum resolution of 1080p and that's more or less it. So saying all games have to have a Pro mode doesn't really mean much.

Well that's not very encouraging. I'm not looking forward to hoping the games I want to play in the future will take advantage of the power. Especially since I mainly play japanese games, I might actually be fucked.

S2G_Chris · Sep 16, 2016

duckroll said:
The Pro is just a PS4 with better hardware in it. By itself it does almost nothing. But games can take advantage of the better hardware to run and look better. Existing games have to be patched to support the enhanced features. All games going forward will support Pro features.

Oh sorry, no i understand it at a base level, just more like how the actual extra horsepower is going to be utilized is what i was talking about.

sainrub · Sep 16, 2016

Ray Down said:
Just noticed the TV they are using is the same 4K i just got.

Is that the 930D or 850D? I hope it's the latter since I just received mine today. Cant wait to get it hooked up and running tomorrow.

Aters · Sep 16, 2016

Glad I didn't play UC4. I didn't like the impression, but I need to get the best looking game on console.

lowhighkang_LHK · Sep 16, 2016

S2G_Chris said:
Im still not super clear how the pro works, even after all the reading ive done

Like is it basically that the games are made a lot more pretty at 1080P with better AA and such, and then the GPU can render it at 4K via checkerboarding for no additional cost, so we get a heavily improved 1080P image being upscaled if you have a 4K TV/Native if you dont.

No. Outside of certain less demanding games that are native 2160p, PS4 Pro is natively rendering games at a resolution anywhere between 1520p - 1800p, and then checkerboard uprendering it to 2160p.

If you are using a 1080p native TV, the image will look better due to supersampling. Or, a developer could have a dedicated 1080p mode in which there is no improvement in resolution beyond that, but performance and visuals will improve. Considering at this point, a vast majority of people are using 1080p TV's, I think these developers will keep that in mind and implement methods that enhance the experience for those people. Even if it is just via supersampling. Which is nothing to scoff at, that greatly improves image quality.

RedAssedApe · Sep 16, 2016

some nice pop and foilage in that ffxv screen.

uncharted is a bit harder to tell with it being halfsies and the angle. should have made it straight on so you could see things equally

Blackleg-sanji1 · Sep 16, 2016

duckroll said:
The Pro is just a PS4 with better hardware in it. By itself it does almost nothing. But games can take advantage of the better hardware to run and look better. Existing games have to be patched to support the enhanced features. All games going forward will support Pro features.

Asked in another thread so I'll ask here too just to get more clear answers. If I get the pro right but not a 4k tv at least not yet,lets use ffxv as an example the trees and grass look much better in the pro version will my version still look like that if I have the pro but not the 4k tv?

Sorry if this was confusingly asked. Don't know much graphics wise

Obliterator · Sep 16, 2016

Man I'm in the unfortunate financial position that I may not be able to afford Pro on launch.

I'm genuinely considering skipping the entire Q4 lineup until I can afford one. It really seems like it's going to be worth the upgrade

Also yes we need direct feed FFXV Pro footage ASAP

orochi91 · Sep 16, 2016

Lucentto said:
Well that's not very encouraging. I'm not looking forward to hoping the games I want to play in the future will take advantage of the power. Especially since I mainly play japanese games, I might actually be fucked.

Every game after late October is required to have an enhanced mode on PS4 Pro.

Games released before that time-frame will be patched at the developers'/publishers' discretion.

duckroll · Sep 16, 2016

Blackleg-sanji1 said:
Asked in another thread so I'll ask here too just to get more clear answers. If I get the pro right but not a 4k tv at least not yet,lets use ffxv as an example the trees and grass look much better in the pro version will my version still look like that if I have the pro but not the 4k tv?

Yes. But keep in mind we don't know if all of that is entirely because of the Pro, or if they have just improved the game a lot in general.

Sithlord77 · Sep 16, 2016

duckroll said:
The Pro is just a PS4 with better hardware in it. By itself it does almost nothing. But games can take advantage of the better hardware to run and look better. Existing games have to be patched to support the enhanced features. All games going forward will support Pro features.

Yes but do you get all the advantages in 4K on Pro as you would if you played the game on 1080p with pro? Or does the jump to 4K when you play it in that mode remove the extra enhancements the game has received if you had played on 1080p?

I think that's what's he's asking and that's what is cknfusing me too

Magic Mushroom · Sep 16, 2016

MysteryM said:
That looks like the Sony zd9 with its master backlight drive. That's a top tier tv folks so dial back your expectations of you game on less.

If the input lag wasn't shit, I'd so buy that TV.

Marty Chinn · Sep 16, 2016

orochi91 said:
Every game after late October is required to have an enhanced mode on PS4 Pro.

Games released before that time-frame will be patched at the developers'/publishers' discretion.

Enhanced mode simply means at least 1080p resolution. That's it. Games just have to be able to detect which system it's running on. Developers are not required to do anything else for supporting the PS4 Pro.

TalentBurke · Sep 16, 2016

No Banderas gif? I'm glad I already ordered my ps4pro. Final fantasy XV looks spectacular. I might rethink building a PC now.

Blackleg-sanji1 · Sep 16, 2016

duckroll said:
Yes. But keep in mind we don't know if all of that is entirely because of the Pro, or if they have just improved the game a lot in general.

Hmmm would it be possible to have improved it that much looking damn good

MysteryM · Sep 16, 2016

Magic Mushroom said:
If the input lag wasn't shit, I'd so buy that TV.

I'd get it (I've only ever bought top tier Sony TVs) but it's £4K for the 65 inch. Serious chunk of change.

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