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raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

from this week's flying get.

The Project A15 atelier title is called "Eska&Rosy's Atelier Alchemist of Dusk and Sky

2 main characters

Eska is female, Rosy is male

it has 2 line battle system with 3 party members in front, 3 in the back. So total 6 party members. You can switch the line around during the battle.

The first print will include PS2 game Mana Khemia 2

I don't know the exact way to spell those characters so it might not be accurate.

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

Cool.

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Male protag? Awesome.

Tossing in Mana Khemia 2? Even more awesome.

The new battle system sounds interesting.

archnemesis · Mar 26, 2013

Awesome! I love RPGs with large parties.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

they are not telling who will feature from Aeysha, but most likely you will see a lot of old faces because its set in same universe.

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

I was literally just thinking about Atelier Iris 2 & Mana Khemia 2's duo protagonist system yesterday and how much I liked it.

Hopefully the guy's design is good.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

Sounds like Mana-Khemia. I wonder if it means that 3 characters are "support" while 3 are actually out in the field, or if all 6 are out.

Eusis · Mar 26, 2013

Wonder if they'd actually retain the game for the US or not. Knowing Tecmo Koei probably not.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
Sounds like Mana-Khemia. I wonder if it means that 3 characters are "support" while 3 are actually out in the field, or if all 6 are out.

from the explanation it seems all 6 characters are in the battle, but only 3 from front line can attack.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

raven777 said:
from the explanation it seems all 6 characters are in the battle, but only 3 from front line can attack.

...Which sounds like Mana-Khemia. Since that had 6 characters technically in battle with three on the front lines, but you switch them out with support skills and whatnot.

Also the topic title would be a bit confusing to some people who don't know the series too well, and should be Atelier Eska & Rosie.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
...Which sounds like Mana-Khemia. Since that had 6 characters technically in battle with three on the front lines, but you switch them out with support skills and whatnot.

maybe its closely related, and thats why they are giving out Mana-Khemia2!

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
...Which sounds like Mana-Khemia. Since that had 6 characters technically in battle with three on the front lines, but you switch them out with support skills and whatnot.

Though I wonder if this time the supporting characters will take a more active role instead of just switching in.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

raven777 said:
maybe its closely related, and thats why they are giving out Mana-Khemia2!

The only reason I'd see it being related per se would be with the similar battle system and the two protagonists. (Also Rosie sounds like Roze, and they're both males) I'm a bit surprised by this news, but I'm sure many will be pleased.

dakkumauji said:
Though I wonder if this time the supporting characters will take a more active role instead of just switching in.

I was wondering that as well!

Psycho_Mantis · Mar 26, 2013

Rosie is a male.

vall03 · Mar 26, 2013

Not that familiar with Mana Khemia yet (still at the start of 1) but Im kinda excited.

Deleted member 20920 · Mar 26, 2013

The actual names seem to be

エスカ メーリエ
ロジックス　フィクサリオ

And they're using Koei's Musou Engine instead of PhyreEngine (???!!!).

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

entrydenied said:
The actual names seem to be

エスカ メーリエ
ロジックス　フィクサリオ

Man I don't know how to spell that in English.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

entrydenied said:
The actual names seem to be

エスカ メーリエ
ロジックス　フィクサリオ

And they're using Koei's Musou Engine instead of PhyreEngine (???!!!).

The best I can do is Eska Merrie (Esuka Meirie) and Rosikkuse Ficsario. (Rojikkusu Fikusario)

Deleted member 20920 · Mar 26, 2013

raven777 said:
Man I don't know how to spell that in English.

It's more like Lojikkusu (or Rojikkusu) So Roji and not Rosie.

Eska & Roji no Atelier.

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

entrydenied said:
The actual names seem to be

エスカ メーリエ
ロジックス　フィクサリオ

And they're using Koei's Musou Engine instead of PhyreEngine (???!!!).

That's an interesting switch. I expect that this will change the cutscenes more than the battles unless they make them more flashly.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

entrydenied said:
It's more like Lojikkusu (or Rojikkusu) So Roji and not Rosie.

Eska & Roji no Atelier.

I wonder if his name is supposed to have logic in it.

Deleted member 20920 · Mar 26, 2013

dakkumauji said:
That's an interesting switch. I expect that this will change the cutscenes more than the battles unless they make them more flashly.

I like what they have been doing with PE though...I hope using the Koei engine keeps the game pretty.

LuuKyK · Mar 26, 2013

:O interesting. cant wait to see it in action. seems cool.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

entrydenied said:
I like what they have been doing with PE though...I hope using the Koei engine keeps the game pretty.

from the short promotion video it looked good, at least the character was.

HolyBaikal · Mar 26, 2013

dakkumauji said:
Male protag? Awesome.

Not for me.

I'm sick of male protagonists in games.

LuuKyK · Mar 26, 2013

Why is it Twilight Hour 2 though if there is no game before it with this subtitle? Or are they considering Ayesha Twilight Hour 1?

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

I hope he has blue hair, glasses, and a hat. ESPECIALLY THE HAT.

LuuKyK said:
Why is it Twilight Hour 2 though if there is no game before it with this subtitle? Or are they considering Ayesha Twilight Hour 1?

Siliconera translated it to "The Alchemist of Dusk and Sky" so I'm not sure what the subtitle is at this point.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

LuuKyK said:
Why is it Twilight Hour 2 though if there is no game before it with this subtitle? Or are they considering Ayesha Twilight Hour 1?

Aesyha is twilight hour 1.

Actually in Japanese title its not exactly twilight 1, but it is definitely sequel of aesyha.

The direct translation would be Alchemist of Twlight sky

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

I just want to know what the dude looks like. I hope he's beefy.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

raven777 said:
Aesyha is twilight hour 1.

Actually in Japanese title its not exactly twilight 1, but it is definitely sequel of aesyha.

The direct translation would be Alchemist of Twlight sky

Uhm, the vocal album for Ayesha was called Twilight Hour. Ayesha was the Alchemist of the Ground of Dusk in Japan.

Thinking about it, I guess it makes sense that Ayesha was Ground and this is Sky.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
Uhm, the vocal album for Ayesha was called Twilight Hour. Ayesha was the Alchemist of the Ground of Dusk in Japan.

Thinking about it, I guess it makes sense that Ayesha was Ground and this is Sky.

my bad. But what is difference between Dusk and twilight? It gives same translation in Japanese and in my native language.

If the first title was called Grounds of Dusk, then it must be dusk I guess. Will change OP.

Deleted member 20920 · Mar 26, 2013

Yeah There's no Hour in the title. It's more like Alchemist of the Sky of Dusk. Whereas Ayesha was the Alchemist of The Land Of Dusk.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

hope a mod can change the title for me. :X

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

raven777 said:
my bad. But what is difference between Dusk and Sky? It gives same translation in Japanese and in my native language.

If the first title was called Grounds of Dusk, then it must be dusk I guess. Will change OP.

Dusk is like the time of day where the sun is setting. I know 黄昏 can also be translated as Twilight, as some people were translating the Ayesha as The Alchemist of Twilight Land...

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Gunloc said:
I just want to know what the dude looks like. I hope he's beefy.

I actually wish the dude could have been the alchemist. They only did this once in Atelier Iris 1.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

dakkumauji said:
I actually wish the dude could have been the alchemist. They only did this once in Atelier Iris 1.

I'm pretty sure they'll both be alchemists, since according to Siliconera you are going to choose your main protagonist and I assume it'll be like Mana-Khemia 2 where they have their own separate stories.

raven777 · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
Dusk is like the time of day where the sun is setting. I know 黄昏 can also be translated as Twilight, as some people were translating the Ayesha as The Alchemist of Twilight Land...

got it. Thanks!

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
I'm pretty sure they'll both be alchemists, since according to Siliconera you are going to choose your main protagonist and I assume it'll be like Mana-Khemia 2 where they have their own separate stories.

Even better. The details for this game have just started to come out and I'm already hyped for it.

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

dakkumauji said:
I actually wish the dude could have been the alchemist. They only did this once in Atelier Iris 1.

Felt from AI2 was a male alchemist too.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

Gunloc said:
Felt from AI2 was a male alchemist too.

And so were pretty much all the playable males in Mana-Khemia~ Also Keithgriff.

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Gunloc said:
Felt from AI2 was a male alchemist too.

Oh right, I forgot that he could do that too. I just remember him hacking everything with his swords.

Rarutos said:
And so were pretty much all the playable males in Mana-Khemia~ Also Keithgriff.

I guess my definition of alchemist was basically the primary item tosser/healer in battle which was what the lead for AI1 was.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

dakkumauji said:
I guess my definition of alchemist was basically the primary item tosser/healer in battle which was what the lead for AI1 was.

Well, everyone could use items in Mana-Khemia IIRC... So yeah. Now that I think about it, Keithgriff can't use items. HE'S A FRAUD.

HolyBaikal · Mar 26, 2013

Gunloc said:
I just want to know what the dude looks like. I hope he's beefy.

The only thing I'm more sick of in video games than male protagonists. Is beefy male protagonists.

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

HolyBaikal said:
The only thing I'm more sick of in video games than male protagonists. Is beefy male protagonists.

There are not enough beefy male protagonists in Japanese games in my opinion!

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

HolyBaikal said:
The only thing I'm more sick of in video games than male protagonists. Is beefy male protagonists.

In JRPGs?

Most JRPG leads are lithe young gentlemen/douchebags. I want some meat.

dakkumauji · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
Well, everyone could use items in Mana-Khemia IIRC... So yeah. Now that I think about it, Keithgriff can't use items. HE'S A FRAUD.

I guess Mana-Khemia games were different as everyone was basically an alchemist even your weird space aliens or whatever. Jessica from the first game is the closest thing to being the role of an Atelier alchemist in battle, being the main healer and actually able to create items on the spot.

HolyBaikal · Mar 26, 2013

Rarutos said:
There are not enough beefy male protagonists in Japanese games in my opinion!

I don't care. Japanese games are my escape from that stuff.

If I was a fan of characters like that I'd play those Western games that have them.

I don't want that aesthetic invading my Japanese games. That aesthetic difference is one of the things that makes me generally prefer Japanese video games. I don't buy and enjoy Japanese video games just because they're Japanese. I buy them because I don't enjoy putting up with manly dudes to play a video game.

When Western developers subvert this norm with games like They Bleed Pixels, I jump right on that.

Gunloc said:
Most JRPG leads are lithe young gentlemen/douchebags. I want some meat.

I do want less dumb boys. But what I'd want to see more of is female protagonists.

Not freaking Duke Nukem. As much as I hate dumb boys, I'll take that over dude dudes anyday. The testosterone levels in my gaming industry are too damn high!

Rarutos · Mar 26, 2013

HolyBaikal said:
I don't care. Japanese games are my escape from that stuff.

If I was a fan of characters like that I'd play those Western games that have them.

I don't want that aesthetic invading my Japanese games. That aesthetic difference is one of the things that makes me generally prefer video games. I don't buy and enjoy Japanese video games just because they're Japanese. I buy them because I don't enjoy putting up with manly dudes to play a video game.

When Western developers subvert this norm with games like They Bleed Pixels, I jump right on that.

I don't understand why you're coming in here to complain about this in the first place when it doesn't contribute to the conversation about this game.

HolyBaikal · Mar 26, 2013

I don't see how it contributes any less than someone saying a male protagonist is awesome.

Someone said they liked it and I just wanted to share my own opinion. That's all.

But I guess I'll show myself out.

Hours Left · Mar 26, 2013

HolyBaikal said:
I don't care. Japanese games are my escape from that stuff.

If I was a fan of characters like that I'd play those Western games that have them.

I don't want that aesthetic invading my Japanese games. That aesthetic difference is one of the things that makes me generally prefer video games. I don't buy and enjoy Japanese video games just because they're Japanese. I buy them because I don't enjoy putting up with manly dudes to play a video game.

When Western developers subvert this norm with games like They Bleed Pixels, I jump right on that.

I do want less dumb boys. But what I'd want to see more of is female protagonists.

Not freaking Duke Nukem. As much as I hate dumb boys, I'll take that over dude dudes anyday.

The Atelier series is overflowing with female leads, I don't think it's gonna hurt to have the choice of a male protagonist.

I mainly prefer Japanese style games too, but I also like to have some nice muscular & handsome male characters to use/look at instead of the usual scrawny yet inexplicably strong guy trope.

While western games might overdose on space marines, Japanese games tend to do the opposite. I like it when both styles branch out.

In this game, we already have a (hopefully) interesting female lead, I'm just hoping that the guy is just as appealing.

HolyBaikal said:
I don't see how it contributes any less than someone saying a male protagonist is awesome.

Someone said they liked it and I just wanted to share my own opinion. That's all.

But I guess I'll show myself out.

Don't feel like you have to leave just because we have differing opinions. We're all excited about the game and should feel free to express whatever opinion we want to. It certainly doesn't bother me that other people may feel differently than me.

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