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Exentryk · Jan 30, 2015

Thanks @Sqexgal for the translation.

Iwata: Luminous Studio is in version 1.4 at the moment. The FFXV demo included with Final Fantasy Type-0 HD will be ver. 1.5 and the plan is for the final production of FFXV to be ver. 2.0, upgrading as needed. Currently, the FFXV development team and the Luminous Studio engine development team are working as one on FFXV. At the current stage, I cant speak concretely about titles in development using Luminous Studio besides FFXV, but I can firmly say that it isnt an engine build solely for FFXV.

First off, the games resolution is 1920 x 1080 pixels (1080p), with a 30fps frame rate. There are a lot of PS3 and Xbox 360 titles that had their output upscaled from the original 1280×720 to 1920×1080, but it seems that many next-gen titles like FFXV have original output at 1080p.

As for polygon numbers, visible and occluded polygons combined, there is about 5,000,000 polygons in just one frame. Thats roughly the same amount as Agnis Philosophy. By the way, many PS3 and Xbox 360 titles had about 100,000 including occluded polygons, and FFXV has about 5 times that.

A main characters appearance utilizes 10 levels of detail, and within that there are about 100,000 polygons in the extremely detailed 3D models. In PS3 and Xbox 360 titles, most had about 20,000 polygons, so here as well its 5 times that.

However, the number of polygons in Agnis Philosophy was even more than FFXV, approximately 300,000 to 400,000. That difference is likely due to the fact Agnis Philosophy is a visual product and not a game and there was more opportunity to upgrade the character and use high definition modeling. Especially since in Agnis Philosophy, the number of polygons split between the characters hair and clothing etc. is more than usual, thus the difference.

More here - http://sqex.info/ffxv-luminous-studios-developer-interviews-part-1/

Mr. RPG · Jan 30, 2015

How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

Soulflarz · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

Did we actually expect 60 fps?

firelogic · Jan 30, 2015

I thought they switched over to Unreal engine for FFXV and KH3?

Seven Force · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

I don't think any reasonable person expected 60fps out of this at all.

firelogic said:
I thought they switched over to Unreal engine for FFXV and KH3?

That was just for KH3.

Slowdive · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

I don't think anyone expected 60fps.

Spongebob · Jan 30, 2015

What we've been shown definitely isn't 1080p.

Mr. RPG · Jan 30, 2015

Soulflarz said:
Did we actually expect 60 fps?

People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

Soulflarz · Jan 30, 2015

firelogic said:
I thought they switched over to Unreal engine for FFXV and KH3?

KH3? Yes.

FFXV? No.

Exentryk · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

This is a huge open seamless world, so people would be stupid to expect 60 fps (on consoles).

Mortemis · Jan 30, 2015

Thanks for the link, good stuff.

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

Not much, I doubt many even had the thought of it, much less an expectation.

Soulflarz · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

This just isnt true. I dont know a single person boasting 60fps for FFXV, it looks too detailed. I would never expect 60 fps for it, and I dont think most of gaf does. It's also not expected of all games, plenty are still 30fps.

Spongebob · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

Not on consoles.

Hexa · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

You actually thought it would be 60fps? Why would you think that?

Mr. RPG · Jan 30, 2015

Hexa said:
You actually thought it would be 60fps? Why would you think that?

No of course not.

Spongebob said:
Not on consoles.

The threads on GAF show a different picture.

Kagari · Jan 30, 2015

Spongebob said:
What we've been shown definitely isn't 1080p.

They've got plenty of time I suppose.

threelights · Jan 30, 2015

Iwata: Luminous Studio is in version 1.4 at the moment. The FFXV demo included with Final Fantasy Type-0 HD will be ver. 1.5 and the plan is for the final production of FFXV to be ver. 2.0, upgrading as needed. Currently, the FFXV development team and the Luminous Studio engine development team are working as one on FFXV. At the current stage, I cant speak concretely about titles in development using Luminous Studio besides FFXV, but I can firmly say that it isnt an engine build solely for FFXV.

Interesting... Maybe that will be an engine on it's own after all...

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

Tabata confirmed 30fps on his AMA already, it's not news.

stryke · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
The threads on GAF show a different picture.

Threads on Gaf are now suddenly representative of all "people"?

Famassu · Jan 30, 2015

So they confirm FFXV isn't the only game using Luminous at the moment. That's good to hear... Possibly.

Soulflarz · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
The threads on GAF show a different picture.

Y-youre literally the only person in here arguing that it's expected to be 60fps...and this is s a GAF thread, and regardless of that, it still isn't true.

Namikaze · Jan 30, 2015

Eh, I figured it would be 30FPS..like the FF games last gen on consoles. The real surprise for me is native 1080p, I was figuring it would be closer to 900p.

Edit: Oops, it's a 1080p target, but I think they'll get there. Wasn't even thinking it was possible until now.

Mortemis · Jan 30, 2015

At the current stage, I cant speak concretely about titles in development using Luminous Studio besides FFXV, but I can firmly say that it isnt an engine build solely for FFXV.

FFXVI? Pls.

I really hope the ps3 generation didn't start and turn FF into a one mainline game per generation series. Seeing XV take so long and SE in general makes me think that I'm just dreaming about the impossible.

Mr. RPG · Jan 30, 2015

threelights said:
Tabata confirmed 30fps on his AMA already, it's not news.

Oh, alright. I didn't know. I'm not following this game too much right now since it is still a ways off and I don't have a PS4 yet.

stryke said:
Threads on Gaf are now suddenly representative of all "people"?

You knew what I meant. A lot of people here expect 60fps as the standard going forward this generation.

Hexa · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
You knew what I meant. A lot of people here expect 60fps as the standard going forward this generation.

I think that's just you.

Inuhanyou · Jan 30, 2015

None of you will ever fucking understand how fucking happy i am that this man just called out SE's own tech demo bullshit team.

"Oh these are the visuals we want to make on the next gen!" *shows obvious tech demo not running on actual hardware*

"fuck that, it was obviously a demo where we could make the things look pretty in a not game environment"

Its such a refreshing thing to hear after all that vague promising BS from SE for years.

R10Neymarfan · Jan 30, 2015

Famassu said:
So they confirm FFXV isn't the only game using Luminous at the moment. That's good to hear... Possibly.

FFXIV is using Luminous

Soulflarz · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
You knew what I meant. A lot of people here expect 60fps as the standard going forward this generation.

Nope. On consoles, most people acknowledge that to reach the graphics they do, framerate has to be cut. That's not changing anytime soon.

R10Neymarfan said:
FFXIV is using Luminous

ARR runs Luminous? Odd, I never knew that.

Icyflamez96 · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

Pretty sure most people already came to terms with this game being 30fps.

For the most part, open world games are expected to be 30fps.

threelights · Jan 30, 2015

R10Neymarfan said:
FFXIV is using Luminous

Isn't it using Ebony? (That hybrid between Crystal Tools and Luminous).

Inuhanyou · Jan 30, 2015

^ That's what they started as apparently, but they are or want to move completely to luminous

Mr. RPG said:
You knew what I meant. A lot of people here expect 60fps as the standard going forward this generation.

Nah. These consoles are not miracle workers. I'll be happy with 1080p and decent IQ(USE SMAA AS A STANDARD DEVS! GET AWAY FROM FXAA!) as long as the framerate is decently stable and not crashing into the teens.

stryke · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
You knew what I meant. A lot of people here expect 60fps as the standard going forward this generation.

Then let them get upset when it happens. Why do you feel the need to stir shit up beforehand?

Hexa · Jan 30, 2015

R10Neymarfan said:
FFXIV is using Luminous

Are you sure? That doesn't sound right. :/

Inuhanyou · Jan 30, 2015

R10Neymarfan said:
FFXIV is using Luminous

The director said it was only a 'sister' engine, because he was on the team who worked on both. But specifically said they are not the same engine. ARR's engine is an engine dedicated only to ARR.

Poetic.Injustice · Jan 30, 2015

Looks like it was foolish to expect Agni Philosophy-like visuals from games this gen.

Seven Force · Jan 30, 2015

R10Neymarfan said:
FFXIV is using Luminous

I thought it was using a custom engine? Something about Luminous not working well with loads of character models on screen, IIRC.

Kagari · Jan 30, 2015

XIV uses a custom engine built by the same guy who imagined Luminous. It shares similar technology.

raven777 · Jan 30, 2015

Kagari said:
XIV uses a custom engine built by the same guy who imagined Luminous. It shares similar technology.

this. XIV doesn't use Luminous. it uses techs from Luminous, but not the full engine.

jett · Jan 30, 2015

20% of a character's polycount is dedicated to hair.

Japan sure has a really strange fascination with hair.

Servbot24 · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

I think people will be very concerned indeed.

LouisaFerre · Jan 30, 2015

Famassu said:
So they confirm FFXV isn't the only game using Luminous at the moment. That's good to hear... Possibly.

Is it really good for them to stick to this mentality of trying to make a new engine each generation instead of using a general purpose one like the KH team? It seems like that resulted in a lot of issues last time.

JayEH · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
How upset are people going to be to know that it won't be 60fps?

Lol nice try. Everyone knew it was going to be 30.

Famassu · Jan 30, 2015

Inuhanyou said:
None of you will ever fucking understand how fucking happy i am that this man just called out SE's own tech demo bullshit team.

"Oh these are the visuals we want to make on the next gen!"

"fuck that, it was obviously a demo where we could make the things look pretty in a not game environment"

Its such a refreshing thing to hear after all that vague promising BS from SE for years.

Umm, why are you so butthurt about that? It was clear from the beginning that they can't put as much time & effort into every single aspect of an actual game that will probably have content for 100+ hours of gameplay than what they could do with Agni's Philosophy. It's not like Epic didn't do similar stuff with UE4 and its tech demo or Nintendo with the Wii U Zelda tech demo.

Besides, they say that FFXV's graphics won't be too much inferior in comparison to Agni's Philosophy and they are using pretty much all the techniques & tech that went into AP, just with a bit less detail than they could put into AP.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing what SQEX did with Agni's Philosophy (other than it not being an actual game, its concept is too cool for just a tech demo). If they don't aim high with what they want to achieve with something like Luminous, the actual games would be worse for it too. If they didn't aim for the engine to be able to produce the kind of stuff seen in AP, FFXV would have been worse off too.

Usobuko · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

Expectations are comparative.

If some other big console jrpg say Xenoblade is 60fps then you would likely see more of this demand.

Skelter · Jan 30, 2015

Mr. RPG said:
People expect 60fps as the standard for all games nowadays.

I never expected it to be 60 FPS but it really should be the standard.

Plywood · Jan 30, 2015

30fps is fine, the game already looks good outside of needing some polishing and AA.

benzy · Jan 30, 2015

LouisaFerre said:
Is it really good for them to stick to this mentality of trying to make a new engine each generation instead of using a general purpose one like the KH team? It seems like that resulted in a lot of issues last time.

Regardless of how much it costs them, I'm glad they had faith in the Luminous engine and stuck to it. Seems to be a much more capable engine than Crystal Tools ever was especially since it's designed to support open world from the get go.

Inuhanyou · Jan 30, 2015

Famassu said:
Umm, why are you so butthurt about that? .

I'm not butthurt. I'm happy infact that they no longer are acting like they can reach unlofty goals at the expense of actual game design. Hearing such straight talk out of an SE guy is great to see after years of garbage or non statements. It started with the direct of ARR and it seems with Tabata and others, they are finally speaking out

benzy · Jan 30, 2015

Inuhanyou said:
I'm not butthurt. I'm happy infact that they no longer are acting like they can reach unlofty goals at the expense of actual game design. Hearing such straight talk out of an SE guy is great to see after years of garbage or non statements. It started with the direct of ARR and it seems with Tabata and others, they are finally speaking out

Are we reading the same interview? They basically said they've come really close to the Agni's Philosophy tech demo...

Agni’s Philosophy operates in real time, with an established stream of cinematic content where the viewpoint can be changed while it’s in action. In contrast, the player controls the action in FFXV, so we have to make it even more dynamic than Agni’s Philosophy.

In FFXV, we took techniques from Agni’s Philosophy, but there is also new developments, and we are introducing various new techniques. if you actually look at the recent FFXV trailers, quality-wise we’ve reached a level that is not at all inferior to Agni’s Philosophy.

As for polygon numbers, visible and occluded polygons combined, there is about 5,000,000 polygons in just one frame. That’s roughly the same amount as Agni’s Philosophy.

Agni's Philosophy was prerender level, but FFXV's texture modeling is nearly the same level of detail.

Aru · Jan 30, 2015

Sure. The engine wasn't build solely for FFXV, it was build solely for FFXV Trilogy.

Hibiki Kurosawa · Jan 30, 2015

Some cool tidbits here, but nothing terribly new. The game already looks great, knowing it's supposed to look better is nice. Never expected it to be 60fps either.

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