Nine times out of ten if Pachter makes a statement the exact opposite happens. It's become a joke after a while.
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"The late and not so great. says Michael Patcher about Satoru Iwata.
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Nine times out of ten if Pachter makes a statement the exact opposite happens. It's become a joke after a while.
Davey Cakes
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True, honestly. But he did a damn good job beforehand. The Wii and DS were "right place, right time" but there were a lot of unpredictable factors afterward which didn't allow for such a safe approach to the generation afterwards.
It's not always like Apple, where you can make one amazing product and then pretty much coast for generations. The need to constantly innovate or not can be a big strain. Dealing with a fickle audience can be a big strain. Trying to read a market that's constantly changing can be a big strain. Yes, we can say Iwata was flawed as a CEO, but we can also recognize the tough position he must have been in constantly.
I feel like OP is trying to stir some shit.
Edit:Though that has more to do with the title of the thread then the issue itself, as I would phrase it different but eh.... Patcher is somewhat of an idiot so I wouldn't agree with what he said as well.
Just letting you all know.
Edit:Though that has more to do with the title of the thread then the issue itself, as I would phrase it different but eh.... Patcher is somewhat of an idiot so I wouldn't agree with what he said as well.
Just letting you all know.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Maybe people will start actually believing that Pachter is nothing more than an attention whore at this point. PC gaming = racists shit was my breaking point.
OrbitalBeard
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Those 10 year olds going crazy for Bayonetta.
ShockingAlberto
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I thought about making a thread for this a few days ago, then I realized Pacther was just being shitty on purpose to get more views for his show.
It's not uncommon, and not uncommon for Pacther, so I decided I wasn't going to be party to doing what he wants.
It's not uncommon, and not uncommon for Pacther, so I decided I wasn't going to be party to doing what he wants.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
He is pretty justified in doing so
Mr Fahrenheit
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You don't have to pretend you liked the guy just cause he died, but I don't think you need to go sneaking in digs in at him either. Like, cool shit dude, you didn't think he was a great CEO, but he's dead now so continuing to reiterate it is a bit unnecessary, don't ya think?
Tinfoilhatsron
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What the...
Dude was a programming genius! He made Nintendo. Seriously what the hell.
Dude was a programming genius! He made Nintendo. Seriously what the hell.
CharminUltra
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Patcher being a class act as always.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
No, your dumb hatred is blinding you.
She is my daughter's role model.
GiantBreadbug
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Didn't need the Pachterism making it true, but good that such a fuckin monumental clown can have his own shitty meme confirm that Iwata is great.
The games industry would do well to have more visionary people like Iwata, and fewer (poorly performing) analysts like Pachter that get paid to make shitty predictions that are on par with message board squabbling.
Okay well, that's not how you talk about it. You don't mention how you bad you think he was as a play on words on the "late and great" which is a respectful way of referring to someone who has passed.
Sounds like something an 11 year-old would say...
edit whatever
ShockingAlberto
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I do find it amusing how many people will just throw decency out the window if it lets them express their dislike of a video game company.
Sure he died, but he did things I disagreed with, and that means I can be shitty about how I talk about him!
Sure he died, but he did things I disagreed with, and that means I can be shitty about how I talk about him!
It's not a huge deal and Pachter might even have a point, but throwing shade on a dead guy like this ain't a good look.
Is hatred your typical reaction when it comes to people and things that don't cater to you specifically?
Is hatred your typical reaction when it comes to people and things that don't cater to you specifically?
This can go both ways.
Zen_Arcade
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Are you really asking why it's taboo to mock someones death in route to explaining why you think someone made bad business decisions?
Neoleo2143
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One can be a great person and be totally valid to criticize, even if they've passed on. That's how we learn to not make the mistakes they made and the emulate the successes they pursued. You just have to phrase yourself carefully.
Satoru Iwata was a truly fascinating phenomenon in the industry that had credentials unlike nearly anyone in the Industry. He framed Nintendo's development attitude for years to come. One that I think itself is healthy to Videogames as a creative medium. It could have been problematic to Nintendo as a Business however, hence why one could criticize Iwata. But it's important to distinguish that and not conflate the two. Failure to do so will cause the message to never get across.
Satoru Iwata was a truly fascinating phenomenon in the industry that had credentials unlike nearly anyone in the Industry. He framed Nintendo's development attitude for years to come. One that I think itself is healthy to Videogames as a creative medium. It could have been problematic to Nintendo as a Business however, hence why one could criticize Iwata. But it's important to distinguish that and not conflate the two. Failure to do so will cause the message to never get across.
Akhe
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Seriously? "To quote the late and not so great Iwata" it's all right? I mean, he said two or more thing about Iwata to be a bad CEO (which is perfectly fine) but the dude don't give Iwata a break.
AquaWateria
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Patcher is full of shit.
What's new.
What's new.
Neuromancer
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I'm usually willing to play devil's advocate for Pachter but this is indefensible and disrespectful.
Godzilla's Left Toe
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Typical Pachter
I don't see it as mocking someone's death, he's just saying he doesn't think someone is that great. I'll delete my post.
He was a great person, so its disrespectful to say the very least. "Late and great" is an endearing way of speaking of someone who has passed. "Late and not so great" is literally a play on that to emphasize how bad he is. Michael Pachter is a joke (an actual meme) of a wallstreet analyst. Fuck that.
Well good thing he didn't.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
You know you have no humanity left when the youtube comments are more kind and sincere than your own.
Sword Of Doom
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He didn't have to go there. That's unnecessary
Zen_Arcade
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I mean yeah, but he's doing it by using a play on words usually reserved to show respect for the dead. Flipping that around kind of implies mocking.
I mean, I don't agree with everything Iwata did at the end of his career either, but I can voice it without bringing up the fact that he died.
Yes he did. How else would you describe flipping a term usually reserved for repsecting the dead to show that you didn't like him as a businessman?
At this point I'm pretty sure this threads gone sideways in how we're responding
"Wow Patchers still trash" when normally people dislike him for his views, not this stuff. No need to just dismiss this with that, doesn't really allow any discussion. Then again, not too much for discussion here unless you want a thread on how Iwata was or wasn't good, but that's not what the OP is really about, so I digress.
As for my view, bad wording. We've probably thought more about his wording at this point than he did in saying it, but yeah, he'll probably see these replies and realize it wasn't okay to word it that way.
I think that's why people in here have confusion. You're again countering him saying it with Iwata is great, which makes it disrespectful, except plenty of people don't think that- opinions aren't one sided. Hence "he's still an awful analyst, this is stupid" doesn't really express why it's okay or not.
Bad wording and obnoxious for the disrespectful aspect, not offensive on the basis he said it about a person a lot of people have mixed views on, or else you'd just have arguments about how good Iwata is, which would be a different thread entirely, I...think?
edit: to reword, I think it's valid to be annoyed at disrespectful language, which some in here are, but the vast majority are just annoyed because they disagree with his opinion and are using it to go "wow he was disrespectful to a great man!" which isn't really the original problem at all, since that's just stating his view. If you take offense to his usage of a "the late and not so great" towards any dead person though, that's a different story.
"Wow Patchers still trash" when normally people dislike him for his views, not this stuff. No need to just dismiss this with that, doesn't really allow any discussion. Then again, not too much for discussion here unless you want a thread on how Iwata was or wasn't good, but that's not what the OP is really about, so I digress.
As for my view, bad wording. We've probably thought more about his wording at this point than he did in saying it, but yeah, he'll probably see these replies and realize it wasn't okay to word it that way.
I think that's why people in here have confusion. You're again countering him saying it with Iwata is great, which makes it disrespectful, except plenty of people don't think that- opinions aren't one sided. Hence "he's still an awful analyst, this is stupid" doesn't really express why it's okay or not.
Bad wording and obnoxious for the disrespectful aspect, not offensive on the basis he said it about a person a lot of people have mixed views on, or else you'd just have arguments about how good Iwata is, which would be a different thread entirely, I...think?
edit: to reword, I think it's valid to be annoyed at disrespectful language, which some in here are, but the vast majority are just annoyed because they disagree with his opinion and are using it to go "wow he was disrespectful to a great man!" which isn't really the original problem at all, since that's just stating his view. If you take offense to his usage of a "the late and not so great" towards any dead person though, that's a different story.
Astral Dog
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Because no matter what he did, (and Iwata did many wonderful things for Nintendo) you just dont play words on a mans death trying to get attention for your show, he can criticise all he wants without having to be an asshole, again.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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That's a pretty lame dig, regardless of what you thought of him while he was alive.
RecRoulette
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He did follow up with an apology on twitter, so people defending what he said might want to back up a bit.
CharlesSurge
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The question to ask oneself is: "What kind of person would say this?"
Colonel Mustard
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I too used to think adolescent male power fantasies were the only type of interesting games, then I turned 15.
This. People here were slamming Iwata before his death.
NYR
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Pachter is an analyst and commented from a business analysis perspective. Google Iwata - what comes up first - Satoru Iwata, Businessman. Is it a classless thing to say because he is dead now? Yeah, a bit classless since he died and can't defend his legacy, but if he was alive, would threads talking about the downfall of Nintendo be treated differently?
Iwata was a CEO who saw his company crumble at his direction, in the face of competition despite a massive lead-in from last gen. His Wikipedia page has an entire section dedicated to "Financial downturn (201014)". His contribution to the industry overall is amazing, but as a businessman and leader, he led Nintendo down a horrible track that some seriously question if they will recover from, especially from a long term investment standpoint.
While I think the wording is bad, as an investor, Iwata was a not-so-great CEO.
Iwata was a CEO who saw his company crumble at his direction, in the face of competition despite a massive lead-in from last gen. His Wikipedia page has an entire section dedicated to "Financial downturn (201014)". His contribution to the industry overall is amazing, but as a businessman and leader, he led Nintendo down a horrible track that some seriously question if they will recover from, especially from a long term investment standpoint.
While I think the wording is bad, as an investor, Iwata was a not-so-great CEO.
Whether hardcore games like us like it or not, I do not think it's even remotely valid to criticize Iwata for his business decisions when he literally kickstarted a whole new generation of gamers with the Wii and DS. Because of those systems is one of the reason why mobile phone gaming is so popular today. Iwata was able to reach an audience never before reached by games before, which is a pretty astounding feat considering how niche video games still were even at that time. He made some bad decisions but I think his contributions to gaming far outweigh than his failings in gaming even in the business side of things.
Riposte
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Iwata was a legend before he even took a seat at the board of directors.
Pachter is sad and deranged.
His comment was dumb as a pseudo-defense of Pachter lack of tact, but this is a disproportionately stupid response.
Pachter is sad and deranged.
His comment was dumb as a pseudo-defense of Pachter lack of tact, but this is a disproportionately stupid response.
Nonsense. If Iwata had a failure during his tenure; it was that Nintendo lost a huge chunk of kids to the other platforms. Nintendo wishes it had 10 year olds, they are all playing Call of Duty and Minecraft.
Astral Dog
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brandonh83
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ShockingAlberto has it right.
mrmickfran
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lol
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