CassidyIzABeast
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Reach introduced armor abilities thus it has the worst Halo multiplayer by default. Everything that people consider being wrong with Halo spawned from Reach.
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343 has pretty much ruined Halo CE multiplayer with the latest patch
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Reach introduced armor abilities thus it has the worst Halo multiplayer by default. Everything that people consider being wrong with Halo spawned from Reach.
Leyasu
Banned
Armour lock, jet pack, etc.. All horrid. I didn't like the bloom either. Plus no BR makes me sad. I also think that reach has the worst maps in any game that I have played to date!
Yet with all that, I would play it than halo
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NoMoreTrolls
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Ethered
Armor abilities fucking suck, but I'm sorry man. 4 is a terrible game. Just look at the online stats if you want proof.
IXI FalcoN
Member
So much truth. I can't stand 4, but Reach really was the bottom of the barrel for this series to me. Most people like to pretend Halo's downfall is 343's fault, but Bungie shit the bed themselves long before that.
I even hate 3, but it at least felt like a Halo game. Reach and 4 are not Halo to me.
Just because it had features you didn't like doesn't make it a bad game. Bungie released a great product that had one of the best campaigns from any Halo game.
dancrane212
Member
While 343 is fixing this how about making a toggle so I can avoid all Halo 1 matches in BTB? I never want to play another CTF match on Gephyrophobia again after my previous experiences of constant sniping of the spawn areas.
Is it weird I still have faith in Halo 5 after MCC?
Halo 4 as besides design changes was released relatively smooth if I recall correctly.
Now that that's out of the way MCC is absolutely unacceptable and still unacceptable even today.
All Campaigns should be 1080p @ 60fps without dips (Even the Halo 2 remaster. Who the hell cares about switching on the fly). The performance is bullshit. Multiplayer by myself works but as soon as I add a friend to the mix the game more often than not goes to complete shit. The damage done to this franchise may be unrecoverable. I hope it is as it's my favorite gaming franchise.
Halo 4 as besides design changes was released relatively smooth if I recall correctly.
Now that that's out of the way MCC is absolutely unacceptable and still unacceptable even today.
All Campaigns should be 1080p @ 60fps without dips (Even the Halo 2 remaster. Who the hell cares about switching on the fly). The performance is bullshit. Multiplayer by myself works but as soon as I add a friend to the mix the game more often than not goes to complete shit. The damage done to this franchise may be unrecoverable. I hope it is as it's my favorite gaming franchise.
Diablohead
Member
When the scopes in halo 5 stop takeing up 50% of the view with a fake lense, maybe.
Reach is still one of the best halo games released, the armor abilities hate is overblown. It's easy to combat against and really doesn't make a difference.I'm surprised that the people really doesn't like Halo reach.
Indeed, If reach didn't have some problematic armor abilities like shield, It could have been good game.
Caipirinha
Member
Weirder still that you have faith after Halo 4 tbh.
Reach's combat feels slow and sluggish to me. Playing Reach and then jumping back to CE or H2 feels like a night and day difference in terms of game speed for me.
Tesseract
Banned
Why 343
LOL
Outrun
Member
I got my $60 worth of entertainment from the MCC thus far. The game is not perfect, but enjoyable for me.
Agreed. Among my halo friends number 4 has the best multiplayer.
Better controls.
Smoother, more consistent frame rate.
Better net code.
Perfect movement speed.
Vehicle combat is fun.
The only negative is perhaps some completely useless weapons.
I'm not sure if this is the case for the rest of the world but playing a game of halo 3 and needing to aim 3ft in front of a guys face to chase his hitbox is disgusting.
link1201
Member
I think I slipped into bizarro world. lol
I'm glad you liked it. I didn't hate it and opinions vary but the pinnacle?
shiftplusone
Member
except the single player DID have issues.
many of them.
and as of my last attempt in... march?
it was still fucked up
Not75Drops
Member
Reach was a prequel and a spin-off. I don't agree with a lot of shit Bungie put in that game but at least they had an excuse. Halo 4 was a mainline sequel but took all the Reach additions and turned them up to 11.
Yes, really. Halo 3 streams are bigger and vastly more popular than Halo 4 on Twitch, with the latter virtually nonexistent. As someone who is active in the Halo community, I can tell you Halo 4 is reviled among the Halo community. None of the things you say have no correlation. Good and popular games are streamed on Twitch all the time, old and new.
I wish numbers were released somehow. There is no doubt Halo 3 is more played than Halo 4 in MCC.
veloxStrix
Banned
Okay? The article you quoted says they were removed for balance issues, not time constraints.
Compsiox
Banned
If they had the time they could have found a way to balance them if they really wanted them.
I'm glad it didn't though.
NullPointer
Member
Yep. Jetpack was a plus. So was the campaign with Elites and Brutes and gorgeous faces (at long last). And the revised Firefight w/ tons of customization options. And the new objective multiplayer modes. And that launch into space followed by space battles followed by boarding an enemy ship. So fucking good.
Reach was all kinds of awesome.
Samurai G0SU
Member
lol love the over-exageration.
veloxStrix
Banned
It doesn't seem like time was really the issue at all.
This is such a faulty argument. If 343 wanted to, they could have changed it back. There was nothing stopping them from going back to the original formula. In fact, as it was the first game made by a new studio, they had free reign to reboot the whole damn thing. And that's exactly what they did.
Armor abilities and sprint didn't change the core fundamentals of Halo even a sliver as much as removing most of the weapon pickups and making players spawn with weapons.
Note: I'm not arguing anything about the campaign since I really don't care too much about that side of the game.
it's an over exaggeration but the scopes clouding up my vision do bother me. especially when halo canon says ADS is unnecessary
in b4 "they rewrote the canon to make ADS work"
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It really, really is not. Halo 4 has a much stronger campaign overall. In fact, I enjoyed Halo 4's campaign more so than any game in the entire franchise. I can't speak to MP because I don't play Halo MP.
Reach is, however, a much better game than Halo 3 was.
I feel the ADS takes away from the BTB vibe too. 8 v 8 and shooting someone across a large map with ADS just doesn't feel the same Halo gameplay.
This is unbelievable. I can't believe this game is still fucked up.
Like, it's fucking HALO. WHAT THE FUCK. If there's something you should get right MS, it's FUCKING HALO. Christ. I don't own it or anything (was tempted to get a Xbone when it came out but all the horror stories turned me off), but watching this game from a distance has just been astounding. It's been half a year.
Like, it's fucking HALO. WHAT THE FUCK. If there's something you should get right MS, it's FUCKING HALO. Christ. I don't own it or anything (was tempted to get a Xbone when it came out but all the horror stories turned me off), but watching this game from a distance has just been astounding. It's been half a year.
Bornstellar
Member
Really hoping Reach makes it into the MCC.
Princess Carl
Member
Don't be so entitled, frankie promised.
Is it Linda at the end cut-scene or is it MC?
At least with ODST, you could *technically* say MC was onboard In Amber Clad. XD
nofunallowed etc etc.
I'm genuinely curious, how does being able to see your scope take away from a btb vibe?
How does it even affect the gameplay in an impactful way?
blue_phazon
Member
My point is that it doesn't change the gameplay flow from feeling like Halo
Armor abilities were just an evolution from equipment in Halo 3.
One thing Reach had over both Halo 3 and Halo 4 is gametypes and it shattered both games in that regard. Assault was neutered and awful in Halo 3 and completely absent in Halo 4. While I missed sticky arming and never cared for diffusing a bomb, it was still a very enjoyable gametype. One of the best ones Halo has to offer. Halo 4 did one thing right in removing bloom, but it introduced flinch and a bunch of other terrible scenarios. It was the final straw for me in the series. Seeing MCC and how it has been handled is unfortunate, but I'm really not surprised all things considering.
As long as it doesnt impact movement speed or dramatically effect bullet spread then it is fine to me. When your scope impacts those things, then it is not halo to me.
You still have to hold the gun properly to shoot the scopes are all holographic or in the Spartan's mind. You see this pretty clearly with the Ar's smartlink
The whole ads argument annoys me because it changes nothing from previous halos scoping. It's like we're all banding together to get mad at an animation. The AR scoping is the only gun zoom change that I could see some people having issue with, and even then it makes the gun more applicable in mid range action.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Slow movement speed, high aim assist, BR/PP combo, long range fights gimped thanks to a lack of effective ranged weapons, the necessity to teamshoot to be effective as a team which took power away from any single player, etc.
The list goes on, and it starts with Halo 2. Sure Reach gave us Armor Abilities, but they also gave us the DMR which was what fans wanted for years: a single shot precision weapon over the BR, and a more useful sandbox instead of just BRBRBRBRBRBRBR. DMR got a lot of use sure, but pound for pound the weapon sandbox was much better in Reach than it ever was in Halo 2 and 3. Halo 3 was easily the greatest offense though, for example:
Buns everywhere. Hopefully Halo 5 gives us some juicy burgers though ;]
Emperor Bohe
Member
Halo 3's crappy hit defection didn't help either
SolarMystic
Member
I don't understand this. As a long time Halo fan, I thought Halo 4 was really good. The multiplayer I was a little divisive about, but the campaign was fantastic.
Have complete faith in 343 for Halo 5. I understand it is their responsibility to right MCC, but I also understand that the devs they outsourced all this too fucked up.
???
We're WAY beyond any claims about gamers being entitled. As a consumer, you're entitled to buy a product that works. Eight months after launch, we're still not there yet.
It's entitled to expect a game to finally work correctly after 7 months?
AcePartyN7
Member
I did some CE matches on MCC to see this changes and at the end it’s not that horrible…
Sure the M6D is not as fun as before BUT the games are far more balanced in this way, we were doing 4vs4 on prisoner, rat race and some other and definitely they were less spawn kill everywhere.
The players used a bit more the other weapons too so regarding the game as a game of 2001 and that players got 14 years of experiences on it, I will say that it’s a good balance update + if you are still a good Halo CE player you are still a damn killing machine honestly.
I also notice since the update players vote Halo CE far more often in MM than before.
After 343i should have asked or beta test this to the players first (maybe via the preview program?) like they did with the 75% bloom or 0 bloom in reach because they changed the way the original Halo was played without say a word on it.
Still I think it’s better this way…I think.
Sure the M6D is not as fun as before BUT the games are far more balanced in this way, we were doing 4vs4 on prisoner, rat race and some other and definitely they were less spawn kill everywhere.
The players used a bit more the other weapons too so regarding the game as a game of 2001 and that players got 14 years of experiences on it, I will say that it’s a good balance update + if you are still a good Halo CE player you are still a damn killing machine honestly.
I also notice since the update players vote Halo CE far more often in MM than before.
After 343i should have asked or beta test this to the players first (maybe via the preview program?) like they did with the 75% bloom or 0 bloom in reach because they changed the way the original Halo was played without say a word on it.
Still I think it’s better this way…I think.
grandwizard
Member
This is what I'm seeing. The video in the OP is actually really flattering to the hitboxes when you see how the bullets miss close calls when the magnetism is off. Amazing to me that people prefer the inaccurate hitboxes, but I guess that is what it takes to make these games playable on sticks.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Halo has never been Counterstrike. There's always been a good degree of bullet magnetism. It's one of the things that makes Halo -- Halo. It has nothing to do with being on sticks or not.
hooijdonk17
Member
That's about as accurately as most people can aim with a gamepad.. If that fails, that means 90% of people can't shoot shit beyond 10' away.
yeah but there was this mode many all loved called SWAT in which those things were not allowed
Narpas Sword0
Member
How hard is it for apologists/343 to understand that people just want to play the original games, as they were, in this collection? Now is not the time to rethink Halo CE. Now is also not the time to release functional Halo CE - that was 7 months ago. But that ship has sailed.
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