LavitzSlambert
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It doesn't need to be 20 years, we don't need a fucking trilogy. Two parts spanning 10 years of dev time would be more than enough to do the game justice even with top notch visuals.
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A Final Fantasy VI Remake Would Take 20 Years, Speculates Kitase; Would be Bigger than Final Fantasy VII Remake Project
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DenchDeckard
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Ok...well get to work then.
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EDMIX
Member
? huh?
FFVII remake is literally being made by a different team, we actually got FFXVI or....did you not realize that or?
Can you prove this?
Can you actually give us data cause you didn't even know the fucking team making FFVII remake is not the team that made FFXVI (i'm not even sure you know that game exist btw)
Proceeds to ignore Bravely Default II, Octopath Traveler 1 and 2, The DioField Chronicle, VALKYRIE ELYSIUM, Star Ocean: The Divine Force, Harvestella....sigh, its easier to just say you don't know what you are talking about lol
Be like "everything is" (Proceeds to cry over 1 remake)
They did, its called Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler
Play those series.
I swear to god, its like you guys are hung up on the fucking name of something and have completely ignored the very thing you are asking for, exist not with 1 series, but with 2...
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Mibu no ookami
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I think FFX was a masterpiece too.
FFVII remake took so long because they decided to load the game with bloat that gives the false feeling of expanding the world. The reality is the world was already pretty large. We don't explore Midgar more in the first game, not because they couldn't do it, but because it wasn't important.
Knightime_X
Member
Just wait for the original games to come out while we enjoy the remakes.
Icymanipulator
Member
Remake of 6 would be amazing. But it doesn’t have to be like 7R or take 20 years. Can’t they just do a different art style that’s less realistic but still looks good?
HerjansEagleFeeder
Member
Good example of how f'ed this whole industry really is. If you can't come up with a scenario where the development of a remake of an old classic that probably took less than a year to make originally is about 20 years time, you're not only going to be financially bankrupt if you dare to tackle this, you're also creatively bankrupt already.
Hudo
Member
According to Schreier, a FF Tactics "Reborn" is coming. He did say it a year ago, tho...
And Schreier has been wrong in the past. So who knows...
EDMIX
Member
? Ok...that was also 30 years ago.
What you are talking about has nothing to do with creativity or anything like that, technology has greatly changed and I'd argue no developer alive is remaking this game in 1 year. Translating that game into 3D would be a difficult task for any team as you are not talking about some fucking sprite based, flat 2D game or something lol
Why would would think those things are equivalent is beyond me.. Even teams as amazing as Insomniac, even they are not just putting out the same games, in the exact same time frames as something from 20 or 30 years ago, I don't know any team today that is doing that for what you are saying to ever really make any sense tbh.
tibia
Neo Member
The spam is the reason I'm avoiding most modern games. I thought FFXVI was going to be one of my top 5 games of all time. I got to the last boss and watched it on YouTube instead.
Spamming silly combos to add to damage counters over a couple of minutes... seriously I'm yawning. A few battles later and I'm looking out the window to do something else. Square should commit to full on action or turn base...
Will start FFR when Rebirth releases but if it's spam heavy I'm out and will watch cutscenes on Youtube instead.
IAmRei
Member
Nah, IX first
NightmareFarm
Member
I knew that there are different teams, if you read what I wrote afterwards I said both teams could have got 16 out faster working on it at the same time. Focusing on the mainline branch is one of the biggest reasons why the FF games in the Early 2000s and back had such a fast release cycle.? huh?
FFVII remake is literally being made by a different team, we actually got FFXVI or....did you not realize that or?
Can you prove this?
Can you actually give us data cause you didn't even know the fucking team making FFVII remake is not the team that made FFXVI (i'm not even sure you know that game exist btw)
Proceeds to ignore Bravely Default II, Octopath Traveler 1 and 2, The DioField Chronicle, VALKYRIE ELYSIUM, Star Ocean: The Divine Force, Harvestella....sigh, its easier to just say you don't know what you are talking about lol
Be like "everything is" (Proceeds to cry over 1 remake)
They did, its called Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler
Play those series.
I swear to god, its like you guys are hung up on the fucking name of something and have completely ignored the very thing you are asking for, exist not with 1 series, but with 2...
Bravely Default is Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler is Octopath Traveler, not Final Fantasy. It's easier to just say you don't know what you're talking about lol.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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Oh it's actually pretty simple. A remake can be anything. To think that this equation can only result in a 20,000,000 bill is naive. You probably also believe that you can't make a new Gran Turismo game without paying millions of dollars to an orchestra for the soundtrack.
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DownLikeBCPowder
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Exactly - another reason it has taken longer is that it's not just a remake, it's a total retcon so more planning needs to go into scenarios.
EDMIX
Member
Never said anything like that, but of course a "remake" must still fit the quality that is expected in todays market in the first place.
All you are saying is, you can cut a shit ton of corners to make some great value, half assed remake, I'm pretty fucking sure that is feasible, but what is being talked about is a remake that actually fits the quality and standards of what we actually expect from games today.
Not this, put it out by any means, cell phone quality type thing lol
? And
Both teams can also, you know.....work on 2 different projects and customers get more content.
I'm not sure the fucking obsession with getting one of them faster.
FFVII remake development started around 2013, released 2020
FFXVI development started around 2015, released 2023
So their priority should be making the best quality they can, not trying to rush anything out the door
LOL
I'm sorry man, you are just fucking crying over semantics. I mean its a series that changes the story with each game, yet you are crying over the name not saying Final Fantasy, even though the very fucking thing you are asking for, is what those games are doing?
smh
Here you go, I solved your problem, slap this on the cover of those games so you can cope.
See its "Final Fantasy" now like you asked.... Feel better.
(added to ignored so you can deal with the cope, we praying for you....poor thing)
Doom85
Member
(imagining a world where VII Remake and soon Rebirth didn’t exist, and only XVI did)
Sorry, I like my RPGs to actually give a shit about the RPG elements, not give me nothing but Devil May Cry (oh sorry, Devil May Cry 2 since FF XVI told me to fuck myself for wanting anything remotely challenging). Could have been awesome like Nier Automata which balanced the RPG and character action elements, but nope!
After the unfinished mess that was XV, and the finished but “why would you want RPG focus in your RPG?” debacle that was XVI, I’m far more interested in the remakes for FF over the recent main entries at this point. They better not fuck around with XVII‘s design at this point, just made a damn good RPG that isn’t ashamed of being a RPG, because my patience is at an end.
Mortisfacio
Member
I blame the gaming community for continually supporting the remakes. Stop buying games you've already played. Devs are creatively bankrupt, but the community is enabling it.
EDMIX
Member
(imagining a world where VII Remake and soon Rebirth didn’t exist, and only XVI did)
Sorry, I like my RPGs to actually give a shit about the RPG elements, not give me nothing but Devil May Cry (oh sorry, Devil May Cry 2 since FF XVI told me to fuck myself for wanting anything remotely challenging). Could have been awesome like Nier Automata which balanced the RPG and character action elements, but nope!
After the unfinished mess that was XV, and the finished but “why would you want RPG focus in your RPG?” debacle that was XVI, I’m far more interested in the remakes for FF over the recent main entries at this point. They better not fuck around with XVII‘s design at this point, just made a damn good RPG that isn’t ashamed of being a RPG, because my patience is at an end.
Agreed.
This is why I'm completely ok with them doing those remakes, having Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler etc The action RPG stuff is their focus on the main stuff and I'd rather us have all those options and they just have many teams or something so everyone gets what they want.
FFXVI wasn't the worst FF title, but I feel it could have been better, I liked Octopath Traveler 2 better that year though.
Danjin44
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EDMIX
Member
lol yesssssssssssss!
I've never really understood this whole anti-remake thing. Out of all publishers game line ups, that shit might make up 1 or 2 games at most and one of the companies that even does it the most, also still makes a fuck ton of new games anyway.
So we might have like 2 from Sony with Demon Souls remake and The Last Of Us 1 remake
4 from Square with FFVII part 1 and 2 (not sure if we'd see that as some continuation but, whatevs) and Trials Of Mana and Secret of mana
3 from Capcom with RE2 remake, RE3 remake and RE4 remake
but all 3 above publishers still literally put out more new games then remakes, its not like Square fucking put out 7 games last gen and its not like Capcom just put out 5 games.
So I find the whole remake complaint a bit exaggerative.
I'll only willing to agree with that if literally the only thing a publisher put out was remakes
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Ohhhhh yea Sega!
They remade Yakuza 1,2 and Persona 3
but shit they still literally put out more new Yakuza games then remakes and more Persona titles, then remakes last gen anyway
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Danjin44
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Most important part despite having "Remake" on the title FFVIIR is not actual remake.....
HOW MANY TIMES this needs to be said!?
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EDMIX
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Most important part despite having "Remake" on the title FFVIIR is not actual remake.....
HOW MANY TIMES this needs to be said!?
lol to be fair, that just sounds like a marketing thing.
Cause Part 1 still states "Remake" fuck we suppose to do? Believe Part 2 is suddenly not a remake or? Why even say its part of that project?
FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH
FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project, on two discs.
na.store.square-enix-games.com
"FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project"
So Square doesn't seem to see those as different things, merely a continuation of that thing. So....semantics. By what we know remakes to be, this is a remake thru and thru. As I'm sure the 3rd game will be like FFVII - Resurrection, FFVII - Redemption, FFVII - Revelation lol
bender
What time is it?
3D graphics was a mistake.
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DeathGuise
Member
Good. Leave it the fuck alone
EDMIX
Member
I would like to see more Sonic Mania type remakes of certain games.
I like the whole 3D-2D thing as the sprite format at least allows them to keep the same style as those original titles.
lol GOD DAMN! I though you guys loved FFVI?
Well, the remake is a good game on itself but not a good FF VII. The story was changed to much so they can do anything with it. It is a very weird mix. Somehow it feels like you know the places and than everything goes wrong
NightmareFarm
Member
It's not exactly like the only potential future mainline games have to be hack n slashers like 16. Wasn't there rumors the next FF would be back to turn based? If there is enough demand for the old style of FF back, that's what we will get.(imagining a world where VII Remake and soon Rebirth didn’t exist, and only XVI did)
Sorry, I like my RPGs to actually give a shit about the RPG elements, not give me nothing but Devil May Cry (oh sorry, Devil May Cry 2 since FF XVI told me to fuck myself for wanting anything remotely challenging). Could have been awesome like Nier Automata which balanced the RPG and character action elements, but nope!
After the unfinished mess that was XV, and the finished but “why would you want RPG focus in your RPG?” debacle that was XVI, I’m far more interested in the remakes for FF over the recent main entries at this point. They better not fuck around with XVII‘s design at this point, just made a damn good RPG that isn’t ashamed of being a RPG, because my patience is at an end.
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DownLikeBCPowder
Member
It's not a remake, it's not even FF VII. Third game should be called "Retcon".lol to be fair, that just sounds like a marketing thing.
Cause Part 1 still states "Remake" fuck we suppose to do? Believe Part 2 is suddenly not a remake or? Why even say its part of that project?
FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH
FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project, on two discs.
"FINAL FANTASY VII REBIRTH is the highly anticipated new story in the FINAL FANTASY VII remake project"
So Square doesn't seem to see those as different things, merely a continuation of that thing. So....semantics. By what we know remakes to be, this is a remake thru and thru. As I'm sure the 3rd game will be like FFVII - Resurrection, FFVII - Redemption, FFVII - Revelation lol
EDMIX
Member
lol yesss! I was waiting for this one when I put them R's out.
To be fair, even Square calls it a reimagining as I'm sure the team likely would change lots of stuff if they had this sort of tech 27 years ago
Kokoloko85
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Better get started then buddy
Stevonidas
Member
Thing is, NOBODY was asking for a VII "remake." Everyone just wanted SE to update the existing game with graphics resembling that of that stupid tech demo.
Lunarorbit
Member
Yeah, I don't believe that.
Danjin44
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I for one glad they didn't do that, Rebith is exciting because they chose to go different direction with Remake.
it was risk on their part and it payed off.
Doom85
Member
Yeah, extreme generalizations based on what purists are saying in message boards are always a popular indicator of demand, right? Just how “nobody” wanted Resident Evil 2 remade the way it was.
Honestly, FF VII Remake greatly improved the combat of the original. The OG VII had the problem of characters feeling too same-y due to Materia giving all characters almost all the options (this is why IX was very welcome in bringing back classes). Remake fixed this without removing Materia, by giving characters a bunch of unique Ability moves, plus unique combat characteristics (Cloud is damage-focused, Barret is good against flying/overhead enemies, Tifa builds stagger faster, and Aerith is stronger in magic).
Comandr
Member
Saying something like it would take TWENTY YEARS to make a game is just admitting gross negligence and mismanagement of the studio.
Let's put that into perspective. We'll start the clock in 1987. In twenty years...
NES
Final Fantasy 1
Final Fantasy 2
Final Fantasy 3
SNES
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 6
PS1
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
PS2
Final Fantasy 10
Final Fantasy 11
Final Fantasy 12
In twenty years, four consoles were developed and released, twelve full fledge new Final Fantasy games were fully developed and released. This also obviously does not include dozens of in-house developed games like the Secret of Mana series, SaGa, or Kingdom Hearts. In twenty years, and entire generation of people will be born, grow up, and start their own lives and potentially have their own children. SquareEnix is suggesting that you could have a child next year, and then be a grandparent before a remake is done. That. is. outrageous.
For a remake of a game that's already done! The script, scenario, characters, artwork, music - all done! That's easily at least a year or more of early planning and development done and complete already. So at this point we are lacking modeling, scripting, environment creation, animation, voice acting, scenario adaptation and rewrites to adhere to the times, and recomposition of existing themes... FF6 isn't even that long of a game, with a vast majority of the play time being in battle. AND it's free of any real cancerous elements like other spinoffs and other media to dilute the game with shit no one wants. I'm looking at you Genesis. Twenty fucking years? What a joke of a god damn company. If they didn't have me over a fuckin' barrel with FF7R I'd just walk away from this company completely.
Let's put that into perspective. We'll start the clock in 1987. In twenty years...
NES
Final Fantasy 1
Final Fantasy 2
Final Fantasy 3
SNES
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 5
Final Fantasy 6
PS1
Final Fantasy 7
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 9
PS2
Final Fantasy 10
Final Fantasy 11
Final Fantasy 12
In twenty years, four consoles were developed and released, twelve full fledge new Final Fantasy games were fully developed and released. This also obviously does not include dozens of in-house developed games like the Secret of Mana series, SaGa, or Kingdom Hearts. In twenty years, and entire generation of people will be born, grow up, and start their own lives and potentially have their own children. SquareEnix is suggesting that you could have a child next year, and then be a grandparent before a remake is done. That. is. outrageous.
For a remake of a game that's already done! The script, scenario, characters, artwork, music - all done! That's easily at least a year or more of early planning and development done and complete already. So at this point we are lacking modeling, scripting, environment creation, animation, voice acting, scenario adaptation and rewrites to adhere to the times, and recomposition of existing themes... FF6 isn't even that long of a game, with a vast majority of the play time being in battle. AND it's free of any real cancerous elements like other spinoffs and other media to dilute the game with shit no one wants. I'm looking at you Genesis. Twenty fucking years? What a joke of a god damn company. If they didn't have me over a fuckin' barrel with FF7R I'd just walk away from this company completely.
genesisblock
Member
I thought modern engines like UE5 can offset time constraints for building worlds. Why is he speaking like they haven't stepped out of the PS3 era?
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
The Unreal Engine is not going to make content for you.
Eventually it will.
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
I'm still waiting to see quality like this when it comes to gameplay
I miss the old guard of id Software, Epic Games, Crytek.. All of them had PC backgrounds and it showed in their work, they all valued high fidelity gameplay rendering (what you see is what you get). Now I'm stuck with the Square Enix's, Naughty Dog's, Insomniac's, all absolute ass.
genesisblock
Member
Re-read the statement again. I said it can speed up the process.