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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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I won't disagree with you on this and I empathise with your frustration, even if I don't really share it.
The only thing I'll say is that I don't think we'll get NMS2. I honestly think they'll just add all this stuff on to the existing game with various updates. They've already delivered on that promise with the day one update.
Unfortunately yes :/
I think people understand the game just fine. I don't think people appreciate the game. Which is fine, not everyone has to. I just think it makes people\companies less inclined to do something similar in the future. Why create a new/different AAA title people will shit on when I can just churn out another Assassins Creed and Forza and be done with it.
I mean, it sucks to not get some of the major questions people keep having.
But let them take a week off or at least a few days. They just released a game that has been highly anticipated for a long time and who knows how long their crunch has been up to release.
Let the team enjoy their life outside of game development and take a nap, sleep in for once, just be happy that the game came out. For such a small team it's one hell of an accomplishment
But let them take a week off or at least a few days. They just released a game that has been highly anticipated for a long time and who knows how long their crunch has been up to release.
Let the team enjoy their life outside of game development and take a nap, sleep in for once, just be happy that the game came out. For such a small team it's one hell of an accomplishment
And it just keeps unraveling.
TheSpoiler
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I came back in this topic to see if anything changed, and I ended up reading about how that heavy interactivity between animals isn't there. The "shooting the bird into the water and something coming out to eat it" would have been so cool.
Acerac
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Huh, that's lame. It's unlikely that I'll get this game in that case. =/
VlaudTheImpaler
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For the amount of our money that they are raking in I think we deserve some prompt answers.
thecouncil
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Either he didn't understand the questions he was being asked or he was talking about a different game. He certainly isn't lying here, I know that much. He's the most honest guy I've never met. The real deal.
No Man's Sky isn't the first, nor the last game that does what it does and there are already right now games being made that are doing what it does.
Hell, one of them was shown at E3 even.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
ouch
Being different is not inherently good. There are great games that follow a classic formula and there are great games that innovate. But there are also tons of games that are different and bad.
NMS is not even that different in the end. And even if it were is not a quality per se.
So enough with this bullshit that if you criticise this game nobody will create new games anymore. There are no more creative people in the industry?
Oh wow it gets worse!
What the flying fuck.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
You're beating a dead horse here
thecouncil
Banned
They don't owe you anything! You bought the game without waiting for the controversies to come out. That's on you. Just appreciate what we have. Fly around some more and collect some garbage. They're an indie developer. They don't know any better.
You're beating a dead horse here
I think this entire thread might be doing that.
I mean, people aren't shitting on the game because it's doing something different. People are upset at the devs because they said the game would have certain features and it doesn't.
All of the bolded is complete, total, 100% pure tales from your ass. Who cares if they're independent? That means absolutely nothing to the end customer. It's completely irrelevant in every way except "give sympathy to these plucky, indie, dudes with beards, just out there living their dreams." Are manic, pixie dream devs allowed to misrepresent their product?
What is dull blown corrupt? What is full blown lying? Why are Molyneux and Wright doing those when Sean isn't? What makes his actions some innocuous mistake whereas the others are some intentionally exploitative monsters? This isn't even moving goalposts, it's just bulldozing them off the field altogether and stating "I like thing so thing is exempt from standards I apply to other, similar things."
orthodoxy1095
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There have been a lot of dumbass posts in this thread but this one might take the cake.
Give me a break.
Well, it could go a lot smoother if they didn't lie, you know? Like, people aren't shitting on it just to shit on it, they are doing it because specific features confirmed by the main dev himself aren't on the game and now the devs refuses to do any sort of communication about it.
It has jackshit to do with "new/different" vs "AAA".
EatinOlives
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Funny thing about you bringing up Assassin's Creed several times.
AC1 was largely derided and endlessly shit on for being overly repetitive with few things to do, even if still technically impressive in terms of the graphics, the fidelity of the world, and the traversal mechanics (which was a completely new system). I distinctly remember reading "tech demo" used as a slight toward the game pretty frequently. And at that point it was a completely unproven IP, so naturally a lot of people still had goodwill toward it because it was such an original concept and setting.
Is this a "live long enough to see yourself become the villain" thing?
Collateral22
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The same people shitting on NMS will shit on franchises like AC and Forza for constantly doing the same thing too. People are just never happy.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Please take a step back and take a deep breath. There is NO reason to be this invested in a $60 product, regardless of whether it's a game or not. Relax dude.
Been waiting 2 days for this gif, finally!!!!!!
Glass Shark
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Has anyone seen binary star systems in the game? That was another feature that was talked about.
I'm super calm. I'm just bored with nothing to do at work. I'm not angry or upset. People can like whatever they want.
I'm still going to stick on this theory of mine.
it's possible that they currently did not implement any player character models.
That's why there is no 3rd person perspective, The close(zoomed) fov to cover the supposed hands, the absence of hands holding on weapons, the player entering the ship animation, the no hands on the cockpit controls, no hand animation interaction on the environment and because The players won't be seeing each other anyway, what's the point of adding this element at all
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Every tool and weapon you use is all 1 handed. There is no 2 handed utility/weapons because it will expose the illusion of an actual character model.
it's possible that they currently did not implement any player character models.
That's why there is no 3rd person perspective, The close(zoomed) fov to cover the supposed hands, the absence of hands holding on weapons, the player entering the ship animation, the no hands on the cockpit controls, no hand animation interaction on the environment and because The players won't be seeing each other anyway, what's the point of adding this element at all
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Every tool and weapon you use is all 1 handed. There is no 2 handed utility/weapons because it will expose the illusion of an actual character model.
It's clear some things are scaled back, for technical or whatever reasons. What I'm interested is what people will find in the PC code once that's released. If a lot of those features are still in the code or not. Like how a lot of those advanced Watch Dogs effects could be enabled in the PC version through a mod.
Also, I'm looking forward to the modder that makes like an amplified mod for No Man's Sky, which generates a batshit insane universe.
Also, I'm looking forward to the modder that makes like an amplified mod for No Man's Sky, which generates a batshit insane universe.
bobawesome
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This is exactly what I wanted it to be. Thank you.
thecouncil
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I'm just wondering why they even play video games!? They should just get out because it's clearly not for them. All the things about this game that were promised but failed to achieve are so minor. If you want those things, just play the game and pretend they're true! This game requires a little bit of imagination like all great games.
OverturePT
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This is the game that I wanted... so, it doesn't exist? I can't support this, fucking hell. I was looking forward so much to this fucking game.
VlaudTheImpaler
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I'm pretty sure you are just joking but yeah, I haven't bought anything yet. Was waiting on the PC version. Also, Sean is a smart guy, he absolutely knows better.
TheSpoiler
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lmao I want to believe this is a joke but in this topic I don't know anymore
Wait, there's no player model?!?
I thought a good indication of no MP was that when you pause the game EVERYTHING pauses.
Apart from that, i think that is an interesting theory. Would be funny cuz you can mess around with people and they would not know you are there. But i guess you would not know they are there either. hmmm..
Imagine the two players were looking straight at each other, but because there's no player model they couldn't see each other. Hmm, that would mean technically Sean didn't lie
That would be the ultimate twist.
I think for me specifically I'm just weird and was hyped specifically about the fine print.
Doesn't mean it's a bad game, or that it won't still be a fun experience: I was just personally excited for the small touches. Most of all, I was excited to land on a planet and play environmental archeologist. Landing on a planet and trying to trace back it's geologic history, observing the flora and fauna to piece together what factors led to a particular species being naturally selected for. Exploring the interplay and development of biomes. A deeper sort of exploration that was natural and emergent.
Some of it is playtesting also leading to certain features being sanded down to make the game more accessible. I understand that planetary orbits would be disorientating for inexperienced players, but I still think it would have been really neat! It also sounds like the "what do you do?" complainers have compromised the nomadic vision. Feels like what I was expecting to be more of an emergent experience has been standardized.
And honestly, the changes I'm complaining about probably made the game a better and more accessible experience. I read too much into early comments about how seriously they were taking world generation and creature evolution expected something different. From my perspective, I think the developers shared more of my sort of vision but the game was necessarily more "gamified" at the expense of the emergent experience and more streamlined to meet deadlines.
You're joking right?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Audioboxer
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Whenever the PC version is out you'll probably know for sure if there is a player model.
Also in this topic has anyone said "will wait till it's on PS+"? Seems like the kind of thing that would have been said by now.
Also in this topic has anyone said "will wait till it's on PS+"? Seems like the kind of thing that would have been said by now.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I still haven't found anything as magnificent as Crackachu
Krappadizzle
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Imagine the two players were looking straight at each other, but because there's no player model they couldn't see each other. Hmm, that would mean technically Sean didn't lie
That would be the ultimate twist.
If you are invisible and someone else sees that you are invisible, than Sean Murray has absolutely not lied about the situation.
Thats all the floating robot looking things going around? :O REVELATION!
VlaudTheImpaler
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Imagine the two players were looking straight at each other, but because there's no player model they couldn't see each other. Hmm, that would mean technically Sean didn't lie
That would be the ultimate twist.
From earlier,
Holy crap I think you are on to something. I mean he did say in that interview "Your player looks like nothing else in the game."
"Looks like nothing else in the game"
"Looks like nothing else"
"Looks like nothing..."
Mystery solved.
#Seanneverlied
Alebrije
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Imagine the two players were looking straight at each other, but because there's no player model they couldn't see each other. Hmm, that would mean technically Sean didn't lie
That would be the ultimate twist.
But of both players shoot their weapons can they see the laser beam of each other ???
It'd actually be neat if that was actually the case. But only if like, if you deformed the terrain they'd see it happen. Or if a animal just falls dead next to them as the other shoots them. You could unintentionally create some horror like experience if they can hurt each other as well.
They'd get a damage indicator, but no visual beam! They're in some different dimension of some sorts that semi-interacts in both!
Fix The Scientist
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The game being a general disappointment is sort of forgivable with such a small team, it's my fault for buying it without waiting for reviews. But being bullshitted about the MP for all these years is what really annoys me, I don't plan on supporting HG again.
TimFL
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If by binary system you mean 2 planets the same size next to eachother, there's a screen of something like that in the NMS screenshot topic I think.
I'm pretty sure they always hinted at MP being P2P/Lobby based so it makes sense that you can pause the game if you're going solo. That's how a lot of games do it when there's currently no P2P session going on.
I knew around the time he started doing the first wave of interviews last year on Colbert that Sean and Hello Games was losing control of the narrative of the game. I know they are still "indie" level but someone on that small team if not Sean should have realized they were going into deeper waters with this game.
On this level/stage you can't play like that without getting this type of response
On this level/stage you can't play like that without getting this type of response
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