StealthGoblin
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This year they've probably spend a sizable amount on EA and Capcom exclusives.
So what's the speculation about what those android patents are? I would think most licenses google has to pay would come from apple. How does MS make so much money from android licensing?
Read the canceled Rare projects thread. Rare has worked on a ton of software, plenty that's even gotten to a playable point, that was then canceled.Rare only worked on 1 kinect titles and a half (Kinect Sports 1 & 2), and they were big sellers.
That has nothing to do with it. Smh. It's patents covered under the Nortel patent portfolio that the consortium bought out. It covers 3G and wireless communication. Pretty sure they are also licensed out under FRAND as essential. Last I read estimates (which is likely what te analyst is going by) either MS or the consortium (don't remember which) sees about $10 per android device sold.Android phones are designed to largely be plug and play with PCs. Microsoft owns many, many patents related to the dominant PC operating system and filesystem. PC interoperability is critical to android, they can't drop it.
Android likely isn't paying much to apple if anything at all. no one cares about MacOS.
You're kidding yourself if you think other studios don't have a ton of cancelled prototypes.Read the canceled Rare projects thread. Rare has worked on a ton of software, plenty that's even gotten to a playable point, that was then canceled.
I never said they didn't. The post I responded to said "rare only works on" and I was pointing out that rare has worked on a ton more than that this gen, which was all paid for in salaries, equipment, software, etc. It is highly believable that as a development team rare has been losing money overall.You're kidding yourself if you think other studios don't have a ton of cancelled prototypes.
Who is claiming this? It's well known that the PS3 was an enormous money sink for Sony.
That has nothing to do with it. Smh. It's patents covered under the Nortel patent portfolio that the consortium bought out. It covers 3G and wireless communication. Pretty sure they are also licensed out under FRAND as essential. Last I read estimates (which is likely what te analyst is going by) either MS or the consortium (don't remember which) sees about $10 per android device sold.
Asking myself that, considering live generates an assload of money I bet
Those losses were written off years agoThe hole by the orignal xbox is so profound that those gains are NOTHING compared to the hole they must fill to recoup to then make a profit.
I'm not passing judgment on the effectiveness of their strategy, I'm just saying that I think it's absurd to say that PS4 will shift Bravias but that it's impossible for Xbone to shift Surfaces. Especially when you consider that Sony are in pretty much the same position: they make most of their money through the financial arm, meaning that their technology arm is no longer their 'core business'.That's precisely why Allen wants out of Xbox/WP/consumer and wants to make Windows more suitable for corporate clients again. He, along with many others, believes that MS are risking their enterprise income to chase the consumer market which, while profitable, is not even in the same league as enterprise and B2B income.
Isn't Nokia doing better in the US that Sony is, now? They seem to be making some ground.I'll go back to the point made by Allen and others, whether or not MS want WP to be a core part of their business is irrelevant because it isn't. Like you said, this is after years of trying having spent billions on doing it, the latest being $7.5bn on buying Nokia's devices division. It is still a pitiful revenue generator and it eats into company development budgets and massively into the marketing pot. And it still isn't a core business.
Skydrive is cross platform, so I don't get what the problem is. I can get Skydrive on Android.
My point is, if even Microsoft are losing money in this business, what the hell are Sony doing in it?
It's about the whole Xbox Division, so both, for the past two years it will essentially be 360 profits - XB1 costs = -2 billion.
No they don't. They have a 10 year non-exclusive licence to patents associated to Nokia's devices division. Nokia retailed all of the IP.
Especially when you consider that Sony are in pretty much the same position: they make most of their money through the financial arm, meaning that their technology arm is no longer their 'core business'.
Isn't Nokia doing better in the US that Sony is, now? They seem to be making some ground.
My point is, if even Microsoft are losing money in this business, what the hell are Sony doing in it?
How?
Seriously how is it the Xbox division hemorrhaging money like that?
What do you mean if even MS?My point is, if even Microsoft are losing money in this business, what the hell are Sony doing in it?
Those losses were written off years ago
Using this logic it would be impossible for the ps4 to ever turn a profit after the black hole of debt the ps3 caused
Holy crap. So if they were to stop harassing Android OEMs they'd be up Shits Creek?
My point is, if even Microsoft are losing money in this business, what the hell are Sony doing in it?
Read the canceled Rare projects thread. Rare has worked on a ton of software, plenty that's even gotten to a playable point, that was then canceled.
That has nothing to do with it. Smh. It's patents covered under the Nortel patent portfolio that the consortium bought out. It covers 3G and wireless communication. Pretty sure they are also licensed out under FRAND as essential. Last I read estimates (which is likely what te analyst is going by) either MS or the consortium (don't remember which) sees about $10 per android device sold.
Ah, that makes a lot more sence now. I was thinking more about iPhone patents than Mac patents, but Desktop windows actually seems legit.Android phones are designed to largely be plug and play with PCs. Microsoft owns many, many patents related to the dominant PC operating system and filesystem. PC interoperability is critical to android, they can't drop it.
Android likely isn't paying much to apple if anything at all. no one cares about MacOS.
None of those projects were kinect games, though. So saying that Rare spent money to produce kinect flops is factually wrong, if anything their kinect game is the only thing that made them earn money.
Sony are losing money right now, looking at the financials. There'll be profit in it eventually, but it'll be razer thin at best most likely. This is fine for Sony, a company that's desperate enough to soak up revenue anywhere due to their other failing divisions, but it's not ideal for Microsoft, whose money may be better spent in more lucrative markets.
Sony made money on PS1 and PS2, PS3 has been the big misstep.
The problem with the Playstation 3 is that it was carrying the weight of the entire company. Cell was suppose to take the world by storm and be implemented in a very wide range of consumer electronics and appliances -- Sony really wanted it to be what the ARM processor has become. Blu Ray never caught on and the physical media market is shrinking fast thanks to streaming services.
With the PS4 Sony is making an attempt to return to form. They're losing money on each sale, but its the cheapest console they've ever produced and should quickly turn to profit.
Random musings from an analyst...so obviously bullshit.
Nomura analyst Rick Sherlund.
...isn't your average Microsoft analyst. Sherlund was at Goldman when it took Microsoft public, and he acted as a point person. In 2011, Dealbook described him as a "long-time friend" of Bill Gates.
Inside Microsoft, Sherlund is well-respected as one of the few analysts that really understands the company.
Rrod cost them a shit ton of money. So they aren't exactly the same.Ah hah. So this is where critical thinking come into play. If you believe that Sony selling the PS4 at a loss will quickly lead to a profit, then why are we so quick to believe that Microsoft is racking up huge losses on the 360?
Doesn't make sense.
Either these things make money or they don't. They all have the exact same business model give or take a service or two.
Google was asked to join the group, they didn't.
Guys, this isn't some Pachter-tier analyst whose opinion you can simply brush off. This guy knows his stuff and he has intimate knowledge on all things Microsoft. I believe him.
Balance sheets pls.Rare didn't necessarily deliberately burn money -to- produce Kinect games at a loss, but they certainly burned money and turned a loss while producing Kinect games.