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Anandtech: Tech analysis -- PS4 vs Xbox One, PS4/Xbox One's CPU performance
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What the... Microsoft isn't even on there.
I don't think anyone uses VC-1 on Blurays.
http://www.one-blue.com/licensors/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9874317-7.html
"Blu-ray has a lot of grandfathers. A lot of people call it a Sony standard but by our estimates Sony doesn't even have 30 percent of the IP," Doherty said. The top four intellectual property holders are likely Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, and Warner."
ProfessorMoran
Member
That's because they were on the HD-DVD consortium.
we.are.the.armada
Member
Can somebody explain to me how this cloud computing will help AI opponents in games? XBONE seems to have this tech and I find it fascinating. At first, I thought it was just jargon to mask some sort of DRM or whatever, but I'm intrigued at how the cloud can actually make gaming better.
They probably get some money indirectly, as VC-1 is actually an approved Blu-ray codec and they are on the VC-1 board:
http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/Vc1/Pages/Licensors.aspx
Theoretically, as far as I understood the cloud thing, you can have more computational power with cloud computing. So you can offload tasks to the cloud so that the console does not have to do all the work. Take OnLive for example: You could play Crysis 3 on your tablet because the computing is done server side and not on your tablet. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
just check out the latest Sim City!
maverick40
Junior Member
This probably a stupid question but will Sony make money off each blu ray disc sold on the Xbox one? I know their stake in it is small but still.
Angelus Errare
Banned
No different than who MS had to pay for DVD.
Sure, I can explain it to you:
Microsoft knows that their box is less capable, so they deflect with vague non-statements about stuff outside of that box.
A real-time interactive simulation (i.e. a game) is one of the worst possible applications for cloud computing.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I feel NeoGAF will need to self censor the term "cloud-computing" into "magic" for the coming year.
looks like about $0.02 per disc, probably very similar to their stake in DVD anyway.
LittleJohnny
Banned
I read somewhere that the GPU cores in ONE cannot be compared directly to PS4 GPU cores. I guess we'll have to wait for Todd Holmdahl to shed more light on the architecture.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Clock speed not confirmed. 2.0GHz is just speculation since that's what Jaguar is capable of.
Well, it is not going to be a difference as big as the GPU since the PS4 CPU would be just 25% faster than the Xbox one and the Xbox CPU would be only 20% slower than the PS4 one...
I don't really get why they're saying it should have better thermals/power efficiency. Aren't transistors all created equal? If you go by the DF article, PS4 and XBone have similiar die size (XBone just allocated a bunch of transistors so they could go with 8GB RAM... which they though required using slower RAM that needed bandwidth optimizations).
I'm not expecting much difference as a result. Should both be around 100 watts.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Not really, no. But that's not the important point, GDDR5 uses quite a bit more power than DDR3.
However, I don't see an issue. It will still be much less total TDP than a launch PS3, and Sony had no problem cooling that.
I know you jest, but Diablo 3 (or any MMO) is a better example, since monster spawns and behavior are all handled server-side.
As for how much computational power this saves the end user - it's not enough to matter, really, and the negative of hitting lag spikes and dying to them outweighs the possible benefit to single player games.
jacksepticeye
Member
I think the PS4 is walking very very tall right now. Sony must be so relieved about all of this now
crazygambit
Member
Where was that confirmed? I must have missed that, seems awfully high though. Would love to see a link.
What about YLOD? Wasn't that because of some overheating issues?
H_Prestige
Banned
LOL, even anandtech can't help but sugarcoat things.
FFS guys, just call it like it is. The Xbone is weaker. It's not "more broad". It's weaker.
FFS guys, just call it like it is. The Xbone is weaker. It's not "more broad". It's weaker.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Due to shitty lead-free solder that became a new requirement for electronics due to EU regulations. Even if the quality of lead-free solder hasn't improved in that amount of time, the PS4/XBone will still consume half the power of a launch PS3, so heat should never be a concern this generation.
APUs are going to save both companies a lot of money, and all indications are that neither will be passing the savings onto the customers, so hopefully they'll at least offer good build quality and heatsinks in their original console models.
crazygambit
Member
Have we seen gameplay footage of either? And I mean gameplay, not target render crap.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
How many bits are these systems?
SniperHunter
Banned
wow
I don't think final silicon actually exists yet for either system, so no. Until final silicon, everything is either a target render or running realtime on estimated hardware built from off-the-shelf parts.
Xbone's running three OSes. That 3 GB is for apps to use.
crazygambit
Member
Exactly my point, thank you.
It depends on how you count. the "bits" war was related to the space in the processor registers of old single-processor systems. Modern systems with parallel processing and most of the heavy lifting done off CPU can't really be measured by that metric.
If you wanted to, though, each core of the PS4 and X1 are 64-bit.
If you wanted to break out the 8 cores and add them together, which is kind of dumb, but whatever, that would be 512-bit.
If you wanted to count the registers of every shader on the GPU... I'm not really interested in figuring that out.
Hyphen
Member
But this is a bit silly isn't it? Wouldn't that then mean, for example a single player game that doesn't have any online functionality will need to be played 'online' if it uses the cloud for "computational power"?
Is it possible to replace it with stacked wide IO DDR4 one day (and raise latencies to match GDDR5 levels)?
This was speculated in the RAM threads in the leadup to the PS4 reveal yes.
That would end up lowering the cost and heat requirement of GDDR5 while allowing them to get the bandwidth into the system at launch when DDR4 isn;t ready.
Technologically I have no idea if it would be possible. It is beyond my understanding. Durante would probably be able to help.
Wolf Akela
Member
I'm just wondering... what happens if you registered a code but break/lose your disc? Is having the disc inside the console required? Or is it like Steamworks where you can trash your disc as long as you have the code?
yep, it's a nonsense. They claim it doesn't require 'always on' Internet but then hype cloud computing for the games. It doesn't add up.
It might be used in online games for enemy AI instead of having a host console doing the crunching, which should mean less constrictive headroom for devs making multiplayer games, but that's all I can imagine.
There are very few logical reasons to take the latency and availability hit for offloading to cloud computing when you have 8 threads plus a GPU right in front of you.
dragonelite
Member
vaporized magic sauce bro..
ChosenPredator
Banned
I think someone should post the tech talk Major Nelson had yesterday about the xbox, I would love to join this conversation but have no idea wtf the specs even mean lol but i think most of you guys would like it
Ok, thx for the info. Durante could you please clarify if such a thing would be possible? In the long run Sony would definitely benefit from such an approach.
Gamespot are misinformed/delusional, clearly, seriously.
Yes. But the increased throughput of GDDR5 trumps it in almost all graphics-related situations, which is why PC GPUs use GDDR5.
Indeed. Since it's shared RAM, I'd rank the GPU's RAM needs as more important than the CPU's for gaming purposes.
But obviously that's not what MS was concerned with.
I would if I could. It depends on how much developers are allowed to depend on the exact performance characteristics of the GDDR5 incarnation of the PS4. I assume those would be rather hard to replicate with an entirely different memory type -- remember that MS actually had to dedicate hardware to essentially slow down the SoC version of 360. Even small changes are hard in the console space if they are not designed for from day 1.
Do you expect MSAA to be used in this coming generation? really?. 32MB is enough for 1080p framebuffer without MSAA.