Temporal Mess
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I'm waiting for /r/KotakuInAction and /r/conspiracy to finally coalesce into one disgusting, goopy mass. Seems like the time is approaching.
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Anita Sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn are speaking at the UN about online harassment
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Mauricio_Magus
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It'd be funny if /r/conspiracy were to end up being another one of the subreddits which autobans anyone who posts at KiA.
crimsonheadGCN
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I updated that post with a few more things. There's a lot of stuff and it's documented at these subreddits:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BestOfOutrageCulture
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/BestOfOutrageCulture
https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit
Topic on KiA: Don't listen to the leftist lies: both Zoe and Anita (assuming she is a citizen of the United States) have committed a felony by explicitly and directly lobbying foreign governments for the abolition of Net Neutrality and the "licensing" of internet content providers.
Temporal Mess
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"We may be famed anti-semites, but misogyny? That's going way too far!"
Also:
That petition might as well be entitled "We Don't Know What Radical Feminism Is".
I'd believe it. Remember, even 4chan subdued discussion of GG back during the early days of it, resulting in the exodus to 8chan. 4chan had a better reason than most sites to do it though because the site was already unruly enough without it and in the end, 8chan turned out to be a better fit for GG anyway.
JeffG
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Well I can see you aren't
Temporal Mess
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How can a person be deemed too politically incorrect for 4chan and still not clock that they might actually be in the wrong? That they might actually just be bad people?
Doc Holliday
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Not sure why the GG crowd is so upset at this considering that it was their constant abuse and bs that brought this stuff to the general public. If Anita and Zoe were left alone this would have been a conversation mainly had in video game publications, forums, and among devs. Gamer Gate created the "monster" they keep obsessing over.
Pretty funny actually.
Pretty funny actually.
GG concluded that moot had gone full SJW or whatever term they used. I find that hard to believe considering that 4chan is still known to be quite unruly.
Temporal Mess
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Sarkeesian would never have even gotten so much Kickstarter money or initial attention if people didn't throw a huge tantrum over her in the first place. Without them she would have stayed as a completely unknown YouTuber.
These kinds of people just keep creating their own 'villains' and don't see it.
Topic on KiA: Don't listen to the leftist lies: both Zoe and Anita (assuming she is a citizen of the United States) have committed a felony by explicitly and directly lobbying foreign governments for the abolition of Net Neutrality and the "licensing" of internet content providers.
am I out of touch?
No, it is the world that is wrong
DICKS AHOY
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Funny that they didn't consider moot a Scientologist when he banned Project Chanology talk from 4chan for the exact same reasons GamerGate was banned.
HP_Wuvcraft
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The irony of a group led by a group of singularly gendered individuals conspiring to use others of the same gender complaining about a group of singularly gendered individuals conspiring to use others of the same gender.
Priceless.
Edit: I also love the linear plotline of "women couldn't have possibly done that on their own" but that's too obvious.
Dafuq? Are they accusing them of treason?!
Temporal Mess
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> accuses detractors of being 'leftists'
> totally not a right-wing reactionary movement guise
> totally not a right-wing reactionary movement guise
Fahrenheit
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Really twitter/google/facebook needs to be held accountable but listening and reading some stuff about these UN talks makes me believe they are going to push for some sort of universal internet ID.
Good.
When I was a teenager/in my early 20's I would get so upset when people would label all of us gamers as violent, just because we may simply play something that has a lot of violence. Meanwhile, movies, TV shows, novels, or things like domestic abuse would get downplayed or a free pass altogether.
Now I'm an adult and someone just had to be crazy and go out of their way to legitimize the stereotype that the media and politicians have been peddling for years. This is, of course, when Anita Sarkeesian had to back out of her speech at Utah State University.
The lines between online harassment and potential real world malicious and/or violent behavior are blurring. It's concerning. I admire their willingness to talk about online harassment because it's a lot more profound than it used to be.
When I was a teenager/in my early 20's I would get so upset when people would label all of us gamers as violent, just because we may simply play something that has a lot of violence. Meanwhile, movies, TV shows, novels, or things like domestic abuse would get downplayed or a free pass altogether.
Now I'm an adult and someone just had to be crazy and go out of their way to legitimize the stereotype that the media and politicians have been peddling for years. This is, of course, when Anita Sarkeesian had to back out of her speech at Utah State University.
The lines between online harassment and potential real world malicious and/or violent behavior are blurring. It's concerning. I admire their willingness to talk about online harassment because it's a lot more profound than it used to be.
FinalxxSin
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There is a lot of that that goes on with the internet. The internet isn't easy to control, so it will be a long shot in the dark.
TwEE-N-Toast
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The ol' "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear" chestnut huh?
cubicle47b
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Twitter, Facebook, and other social media platforms could use data mining to find people who harass others and ban them temporarily (or forever for certain types of harassment like death threats, swatting, or repeated infractions). It won't just be the people this particular group finds objectionable, of course, as the Randi Harpers of the world will get banned too, but that's for the best.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Let's be clear.
We're talking about putting all your info on the internet, where anyone could see.
dead souls
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Just saw that in Feedly and read it. Pretty sad/funny stuff.
crimsonheadGCN
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Critical Miss: Starring God-Emperor Sarkessian
Also, Randi Harper wasn't too happy about what was included in the UN report: https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/no-cookie-for-the-un
Also, Randi Harper wasn't too happy about what was included in the UN report: https://storify.com/freebsdgirl/no-cookie-for-the-un
I'm very happy that the problem of cyber harassment is being taken more seriously, but yeah, I've got to admit I wish the UN report itself was better. It's riddled with sloppy mistakes, and amongst other things uncritically cites this page as a valid source for recent research about anti-social behaviour and video gaming (in particular the idea of children being turned into "killing zombies"):
That's pretty embarrassing.
...what in the world?
That's pretty embarrassing.
...what in the world?
Topic on KiA: Don't listen to the leftist lies: both Zoe and Anita (assuming she is a citizen of the United States) have committed a felony by explicitly and directly lobbying foreign governments for the abolition of Net Neutrality and the "licensing" of internet content providers.
I wonder when they will realise that THEY are the reason Zoe and Anita are at the United Nations.
Without Gamergate Zoe and Anita would just be a random game designer and a random youtuber
Topic on KiA: Don't listen to the leftist lies: both Zoe and Anita (assuming she is a citizen of the United States) have committed a felony by explicitly and directly lobbying foreign governments for the abolition of Net Neutrality and the "licensing" of internet content providers.
Whoo boy.
The Technomancer
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Gotta disagree with Randi on this one
...sort of
Okay so I get and am fully on board with the general push to de-stigamtize sex work, legalize it, recognize that not all prostitution occurs under the iron hand of an abusive pimp, etc, yes I get it, there are a hell of a lot of women who go into or are interested in sex work because they gain some measure of satisfaction and/or they just think the money is good
But sometimes in that conversation I feel like we lose sight of the fact that a hell of a lot of it isn't either. I don't like saying that because I don't like suggesting that anyone involved in that conversation could ever forget all of the actual abuse that happens but...especially on a global level there are still a shit ton of abusive relationships or straight up sex slavery and yes, depending on the country in question the internet can play a very large role in enabling that trafficking. Is the way the UN report handles that a sloppy mess? Yeah, but mostly I think because the report itself is a sloppy mess overall. Is the idea of being concerned with the internet's effects in enabling coerced prostitution in and of itself a horrible idea? No, I don't think so whatsoever. And I'm not just talking about arranging child prostitutes in Singapore or whatever, there was that great and harrowing Cracked article a month or so back about the girl who's parents rented her out using posts on Craigslist FFS
I'm sick of hearing about these two. Why does everything have to be a soapbox issue? I don't care that there aren't a lot of games that let me play as a woman, or a black/asian person. But you know what? When I play a game that does let me, it doesn't bother me at all. I don't have to 'relate' to the character I'm playing as. I didn't play Golden Axe on the SEGA MegaDrive and cry about how I didn't relate to the barbarian, the amazon or the old bearded dwarf. Just shut up already.
And as for Zoe's part in it, regarding video games journalism ethics, does anyone even trust major review sites? I haven't since Jeff got fired from GameSPOT. I go by what my friends describe of their experience with a game, i go by the demo I play and I form my own opinions. It's all just a bit rediculous really.
And as for Zoe's part in it, regarding video games journalism ethics, does anyone even trust major review sites? I haven't since Jeff got fired from GameSPOT. I go by what my friends describe of their experience with a game, i go by the demo I play and I form my own opinions. It's all just a bit rediculous really.
JeffG
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I am glad you were able to capture the essence of the thread and provide the exact solution everyone was looking for.
So much for that freedom of speech that GooberGrapers love talking about.
It's very much a "fuck you, got mine" dealio
QuantumZebra
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Topic on KiA: Don't listen to the leftist lies: both Zoe and Anita (assuming she is a citizen of the United States) have committed a felony by explicitly and directly lobbying foreign governments for the abolition of Net Neutrality and the "licensing" of internet content providers.
Holy shit.
illuminerti confirmed?
FinalxxSin
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AlphaOmegaSin dropped a video talking about this subject. I agree with him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjkTtN68SHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjkTtN68SHA
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Lol what the fuck
Better get my head shaved and my three seashells ready
"Anita Sarkeesian & Zoe Quinn go to the UN to promote Internet Censorship"
so i guess literacy is optional
partyphone
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noted international law expert AlphaOmegaSin
Is it bad that I saw the font of the channel's logo and I instantly knew what was going to be his take on it?
More_Badass
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I learned long ago to never click Youtube links in any thread related to Anita, Zoe, or GamerGate
terribletwo
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This guy is a light weight. Sargon could get five hours of material out of the same topic. How could you believe a guy like AlphaOmegaSin who only has 18 minutes worth of stuff to say?
FinalxxSin
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He's not an international law expert. He's just somebody once again giving his viewpoint on something.
Sargon, AlphaOmegaSin, and no telling how many others have made numerous videos over the years discussing Anita's flawed thinking. I agree that some messages are more detailed than others, but the message is still the same none the less.
AuthenticM
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I love these threads because they attract all the crazies so they can be filtered out.
partyphone
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I actually super don't care about his qualifications. He's spewing idiotic conspiracy theories and has generally been a long-winded idiot with bad ideas and bad arguments for years.
SolicitorPirate
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I love seeing all the banned accounts in a gamergate thread. It's like a detox that actually works.
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Wow, these threads are still as disgusting as they were 6 months ago. There really are strong problems with some subsegments of the gaming community...
Aflyingbanana
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Nice to see Anita doing something for real change.
I still think a lot of her content is pandering and nonsensical. I know thats an unpopular opinion here at gaf, but i truly think a lot of her content cherry picks.
I dont want to get banned for stating my opinion, but ill elaborate just so I don't come off like a hating idiot. I'm not saying I hate her or think she's trying to destroy white men or anything. I think the topic she covers is worth exploring and very important, and I agree with a number of the things she points out in her videos. But very often I feel as though she almost creates some of the problems she points out.
I still think a lot of her content is pandering and nonsensical. I know thats an unpopular opinion here at gaf, but i truly think a lot of her content cherry picks.
I dont want to get banned for stating my opinion, but ill elaborate just so I don't come off like a hating idiot. I'm not saying I hate her or think she's trying to destroy white men or anything. I think the topic she covers is worth exploring and very important, and I agree with a number of the things she points out in her videos. But very often I feel as though she almost creates some of the problems she points out.
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