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[Azzanadra]

Agree with the other posters, they are more like "safe spaces" for rich people in general, who would predominately be white but they would not exclude the people of color if they have the cash.

 

[Nosgotham]

There have been a lot of debates about "Safe-Spaces" on college campuses the past couple weeks.

I feel like the people who take very hard line stances against Safe-Spaces are the exact same people who have no problem with the existence of country clubs.

Which seems hypocrital to me, because the whole point of Country Clubs is to provide their members a "safe space" that is completely isolated from Black, Brown, Asian and Jewish people.

What do you guys think?

Do I have a point or is this just a false equivalency?

wtf are you talking about?

they only give a shit about money. they reject all poor people, regardless of colour

 

[Riposte]

People have different expectations and demands for college campuses than they do for institutions like country clubs, unless you mean to say there is a strain of country clubs that are associated with colleges that people are turning a blind eye to, but I don't think that's the case. The larger conflict with safe-spaces come about when their expectation of "safeness" leaks into the general "space", with people using disruptive methods such as heckler's veto to prevent speech they do not like from occurring on the campus, even outside of the designated safe space (because it makes them feel unsafe). Basically, if there are spaces that are safe, then evidently everywhere else must be unsafe, so you'd want to make those spaces safe too. Country clubs are exclusive and distant, they do not spread into other spaces, unless you want change to argument to be about something like gentrification (I actually don't know if country clubs are used as starting points of gentrification).

 

[CrocMother]

wtf are you talking about?

they only give a shit about money. they reject all poor people, regardless of colour

Can't tell who is rich or poor when everyone is wearing bathing suits. White kids whose parents are members can invite their white friends, even if they are poor. A rich black kid who got invited to one of these country clubs would probably feel uncomfortable.

 

[UrokeJoe]

Can't tell who is rich or poor when everyone is wearing bathing suits. White kids whose parents are members can invite their white friends, even if they are poor. A rich black kid who got invited to one of these country clubs would probably feel uncomfortable.

You are funny.

 

[MrSaturn99]

I live in a country club and there's tons of Asians living here. Everyone's pretty awesome here.

 

[ShinAmano]

I belong to a country club.

People of all color just like in the real world. Shocking I know.

 

[inner-G]

Agree with the other posters, they are more like "safe spaces" for rich people in general, who would predominately be white but they would not exclude the people of color if they have the cash.

I think a lot of rich/powerful people aren't even racist themselves, but they're good at pushing a narrative that keeps the poor people divided. A house divided cannot stand, and the people divided can't topple the oligarchy.

Poor people in South Central aren't that different than poor people in trailer parks in the Deep South whether they realize it or not. They've just been trained to blame each other for their position instead of the system funneling all our country's gains to the wealthy elite.

 

[User 73706]

No, they are for rich people

History: "all the non-whites belong to the lowest classes"
Present Day: "it's about class, not race"

 

[lightskintwin]

Well, while most country clubs are obnoxiously white, and some go out of their way to stay monolithic most don't nakedly restrict membership to white people and the people who go there are going for pools, golf, tennis and 11am alcohol rather than fleeing from Jews. So yeah it is a false equivalency but an interesting metaphor. There are also predominantly Jewish, Latino and black private clubs.

"Country clubs were founded by upper-class elites between 1880 and 1930.By 1907, country clubs were claimed to be “the very essence of American upper-class.” The number of country clubs increased exponentially with industrialization, the rise in incomes, and suburbanization in the 1920s. During the 1920s, country clubs acted as community social centers. However, the number of country clubs decreased drastically during the Great Depression for lack of membership funding.
Historically, many country clubs refused to admit members of minority racial groups as well those of specific faiths, such as Jews and Catholics. This was known as being “restricted”.Beginning in the 1960s civil rights lawsuits forced clubs to drop exclusionary policies, but de facto discrimination still occurs in cases until protest or legal remedies are brought to bear."

 

[jacksnap]

People have different expectations and demands for college campuses than they do for institutions like country clubs, unless you mean to say there is a strain of country clubs that are associated with colleges that people are turning a blind eye to, but I don't think that's the case. The larger conflict with safe-spaces come about when their expectation of "safeness" leaks into the general "space", with people using disruptive methods such as heckler's veto to prevent speech they do not like from occurring on the campus, even outside of the designated safe space (because it makes them feel unsafe). Basically, if there are spaces that are safe, then evidently everywhere else must be unsafe, so you'd want to make those spaces safe too. Country clubs are exclusive and distant, they do not spread into other spaces, unless you want change to argument to be about something like gentrification (I actually don't know if country clubs are used as starting points of gentrification).

I think you're confusing the intentions behind protesting and other forms of free speech (regardless of their asshole level) with the intentions behind the creation of safe spaces. They aren't the same.

On topic, no, for the same reason above. Country clubs aren't a specific place for whites or the rich to chill and not fear judgment from their peers - they get that for free everywhere they go.

 

[old]

I thought it was the Winter Olympics?

 

[notworksafe]

Yeah, there's no Jews, Blacks, Latinos, or Asians in country clubs. Sure. You've never actually been to one, have you OP?

 

[Stinkles]

"Country clubs were founded by upper-class elites between 1880 and 1930.By 1907, country clubs were claimed to be “the very essence of American upper-class.” The number of country clubs increased exponentially with industrialization, the rise in incomes, and suburbanization in the 1920s. During the 1920s, country clubs acted as community social centers. However, the number of country clubs decreased drastically during the Great Depression for lack of membership funding.
Historically, many country clubs refused to admit members of minority racial groups as well those of specific faiths, such as Jews and Catholics. This was known as being “restricted”.Beginning in the 1960s civil rights lawsuits forced clubs to drop exclusionary policies, but de facto discrimination still occurs in cases until protest or legal remedies are brought to bear."

Well duh , but why did you quote my post? Was I denying the above?

 

[DrSlek]

Green is the only colour allowed in country clubs.

 

[ZackieChan]

I belong to a country club.

People of all color just like in the real world. Shocking I know.

Yeah, I was gonna ask who here has actually been to or seen a country club outside of TV or movies. Gaf gonna gaf.

 

[lightskintwin]

Well duh , but why did you quote my post? Was I denying the above?

Reinforcing what you were saying. An assist, if you will, with added context. LOL

 

[InfiniteBento]

America is a safe space for white people

for real

 

[Infinite]

South Park is a safe space for white men

 

[Wanda/Wander]

Yeah, there's no Jews, Blacks, Latinos, or Asians in country clubs. Sure. You've never actually been to one, have you OP?

I've spent my entire childhood living outside of one.

I've been inviting in a couple time by my friends parents.

Not a great time. There were a lot of glares.

 

[capitalCORN]

I thought it was the Winter Olympics?

They let the Jamaicans participate in one. NEVER AGAIN.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

What about predominately Asian country clubs?

I'm the token white guy

BWUAA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[timetokill]

Yeah, like every one else said, it's for rich people. FAR more exclusive.

 

[Cagey]

South Park is a safe space for white men

You're supposed to be more subtle and passive aggressive than that.

 

[Infinite]

You're supposed to be more subtle and passive aggressive than that.

I'm dead ass

 

[ZackieChan]

Bunch of cookie cutter mother fuckers at country clubs

 

[Lebron]

My parents had to go through some fuckery to join the one where they moved. Dad said he was surprised "colored folk" wasn't an option on the application.

Though the area they moved is a really old rich area in Texas, so yeah.

 

[lightskintwin]

My parents had to go through some fuckery to join the one where they moved. Dad said he was surprised "colored folk" wasn't an option on the application.

Though the area they moved is a really old rich area in Texas, so yeah.

LOL @ Texas. Check out this interview with Tiger Woods when he was 14 years old in 1990 when asked about the prejudice in country clubs, he specifically calls out Texas and Florida.

https://youtu.be/Pw9iaKKrem0?t=225

 

[M0nochromatic]

There a bastion for boredom. Country clubs are a monotonous void.

The only good thing to come from them is Caddyshack.

 

[Regiruler]

Can't say I've been to one during the day. I used to go to one for a Cotillion back in middle school in the evening, but I didn't really see anybody other than staff members.

There's a nearby road that has country club hedge wall on both sides and is a very pleasant drive at night.

 

[Theanine3D]

America is a safe space for white people

This was my first thought when I saw the thread title.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

I've only been in a country club once in my life for a job interview, but I agree with Slayven.

 

[ZackieChan]

I bet they put kale in country club "gumbo"

 

[capitalCORN]

I bet they put kale in country club "gumbo"

I'm sure some of the employees are black...

 

[Christopher]

Can't tell who is rich or poor when everyone is wearing bathing suits. White kids whose parents are members can invite their white friends, even if they are poor. A rich black kid who got invited to one of these country clubs would probably feel uncomfortable.

You seem racist harboring the thoughts you do.

 

[Stinkles]

Reinforcing what you were saying. An assist, if you will, with added context. LOL

Hi five

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

I belong to a country club.

People of all color just like in the real world. Shocking I know.

Same here, as long as you have the money for membership, you are most welcome.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I legit thought we were talking about like a line dancing club.

 

[Beefy]

No, they are for rich people

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[GuessMyUserName]

Has OP ever been to a country club?

 

[Ivan 3414]

I bet they put kale in country club "gumbo"

lol @ the idea of anyone eating anything that resembles gumbo in a country club

 

[Hubbl3]

lol @ the idea of anyone eating anything that resembles gumbo in a country club

What about the blue-collar millionaires and billionaires?

 

[AxelFoley]

America is a safe space for white people

Slayven with that real talk.

 

[Shadybiz]

No, they are for rich people

Yep. There are many clubs that opened their doors to the public after the crash (opened to anyone, as well), but the clubs that remain private, most people can't get into anyway.

And I think Slayven's post is more on point.

 

[Jpop]

No, they are for rich people

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[Timedog]

I don't think your argument meets the minimum standards of cogency to reach the level of false equivalency. It's more like a non sequitur.

Oh my

 

[MisterR]

Can't tell who is rich or poor when everyone is wearing bathing suits. White kids whose parents are members can invite their white friends, even if they are poor. A rich black kid who got invited to one of these country clubs would probably feel uncomfortable.

Rich white people don't have poor white friends.

 

[Pinko Marx]

I originally thought this thread was about Country Dance Clubs and thought "yeah, totally"

 

[A Link to the Past]

Not that I am against safe spaces, but I don't think that most people against safe spaces think that all-white country clubs are okay - at the very least, they wouldn't say as much if grilled on it.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

Have you ever been in one? Is a "safe space" for rich people, not white people.