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Bitcoin about to hit $4,000 per. Anyone in on this?

tokkun

Member
Didn't ever think it would be $4000 that quick.

What makes it go up so quickly, besides speculation?

I would say it's 2 things.

One is when the mainstream press writes about Bitcoin, which often triggers a rise in interest from less sophisticated investors. That happened again recently with all the talk about the Bitcoin Cash split.

The other is fear of global political instability. This month's huge rally was triggered by the rising tensions over North Korea. Bitcoin is viewed as a sanctuary investment, like gold, and people flee to such investments in times of uncertainty.
 

Zaru

Member
Currency manipulation, really nothing else.

At the end of the day, cryptocurrency is mainly being used as an investment racket rather than actual currency.
You just need to not be the last one buying in or the last one trying to get a payout (like when regulations hit or the exchanges get nabbed)

That's also why cryptocurrency is often shilled pretty hard by people who bought into it, creating artificial spikes which they use to sell with a profit.
 
My wife just said I should invest two days ago. Even though they are expensive as duck, still could have made quick bucks. Oh well, what could have been...
 

Kiraly

Member
good luck actually ever liquidating your bitcon

Explain?

My wife just said I should invest two days ago. Even though they are expensive as duck, still could have made quick bucks. Oh well, what could have been...

You can buy as low as a one hundred millionth of a single bitcoin (0.00000001 BTC). You don't have to buy one coin in whole. Admittedly the return on investment will be small with smaller amounts nowadays, but you never know how high this thing will reach.
 

FyreWulff

Member

Anyone selling a significant amount of bitcoin to convert it to actual usable cash will trigger everyone else selling and crash it.

As it goes higher and higher the probability of something pulling said trigger just goes up.

My wife just said I should invest two days ago. Even though they are expensive as duck, still could have made quick bucks. Oh well, what could have been...

If you actually want a future, invest in an IRA. Currency trading is the worst thing you can do.
 

oxrock

Gravity is a myth, the Earth SUCKS!
I used mine bitcoins around 10 or so years ago but for the life of me I have no idea what ever happened to them. I know I've never spent them so the info is probably lost on some HDD i'll never see again. So new like this always triggers self loathing.
 

erlim

yes, that talented of a member
www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news...of-bitcoin-in-2010-is-worth-75-million-today/

"According to this report from CNBC, the price of a single bitcoin has recently soared to $2,200 from just $0.003 only seven years ago. We know this because on Monday its fans celebrated the anniversary of Bitcoin Pizza Day, when Laszlo Hanyecz, a programmer, spent 10,000 bitcoin for two Papa John’s pizzas. "

So 40 million dollars for 2 pizzas, nice

If I was national bitcoin pizza day man, I don't think I'd ever be able to shake that feel.
 
If I was national bitcoin pizza day man, I don't think I'd ever be able to shake that feel.
I don't know. It depends on what he did afterward. If he completely cashed out to buy 2 pizzas, then yeah, that would haunt someone. If he still had a lot of bitcoin left or bought more the next day and ended up making a lot of money then he's probably fine.

Cryptocurrency is extremely volatile so it's mentally taxing to own / trade it, especially when you first start. You have to learn to control your emotions very quickly. I started with ~1% of my net worth, immediately made money, and was still stressed out because I could have made a lot more (it was June 9th, Ethereum went from 279 to 351, I sold at 310 after making 19% in 2-3 days because "this is crazy", and then spent the rest of the day feeling like shit). When major corrections happen people start posting suicide hotline numbers for good reason.
 
I put my BTC into tether and alt coins now. There has to be a correction soon and if it stabilises at $4k then Altcoins are about to skyrocket as they have all gone down pretty much due to everyone getting out of positions to ride the BTC train. Got a hefty chunk in Waves at the minute as that seems massively undervalued to me in comparison to something like Neo and ETH so I'm hoping for a x2 on it soon as long as the marketcap doesn't fallout when correction happens.
 

Previous

check out my new Swatch
I'm thinking about buying around $1000 total in bitcoin and various alt coins, immediately declare it a total loss in my mind, and wait 5 years and see what happens. To the moon I say!

I just tried to purchase my first $50 worth but Coinbase's way of verifying new accounts debit cards (2 temporary verification charges plus the purchase order) triggered my bank cancelling the charges and calling asking if it was really me using using my card. Now I have to wait 12 hours and try again.
 

vehn

Member
I'm FOMOing hard but then I've been FOMOing since it was at 2800. Don't know what to do.

Just ask yourself if this is the highest it will EVER go. 99% chance it will go higher, so whatever you put in... That money will grow
 
I'm FOMOing hard but then I've been FOMOing since it was at 2800. Don't know what to do.

Just think in 10 years time when you look back and say "wow can you remember when Bitcoin was only $4k and now it's $50k"

Haha bad example I know. I only jumped into this cryptogame 2 months ago and I've made some very hefty gains in that time. Alt coins have not been keeping up with BTC's growth and many are very cheap right now as people are dumping them to get onboard the BTC train so now is as good a time as any to buy Alts.
 

jamsy

Member
Just think in 10 years time when you look back and say "wow can you remember when Bitcoin was only $4k and now it's $50k"

Haha bad example I know. I only jumped into this cryptogame 2 months ago and I've made some very hefty gains in that time. Alt coins have not been keeping up with BTC's growth and many are very cheap right now as people are dumping them to get onboard the BTC train so now is as good a time as any to buy Alts.

Just curious, how much was your initial investment?
 
Just curious, how much was your initial investment?

Initially I started with just $200 to test the waters and turned that into over $1k very quickly on some Alts that rocketed so I put in a lot more after that.

Can't stress this enough though, do your own research and don't put anything in you can't afford to lose as at the end of the day anything can happen in this game. On Saturday morning I woke up and one of my long term hold coins (Lunyr) had gone up 250% overnight so that was great after a month of holding it and it not really doing much.
 

jamsy

Member
Initially I started with just $200 to test the waters and turned that into over $1k very quickly on some Alts that rocketed so I put in a lot more after that.

Can't stress this enough though, do your own research and don't put anything in you can't afford to lose as at the end of the day anything can happen in this game. On Saturday morning I woke up and one of my long term hold coins (Lunyr) had gone up 250% overnight so that was great after a month of holding it and it not really doing much.
Are there any resources you'd recommend for something just starting to get into this? I may have a few thousand I can play around with but obviously wouldn't want to plunk that into something I don't know much about.
 

Brandson

Member
I just don't really get how this is worth 4 grand a piece, who is buying these?

Some people view Bitcoin as a very good store of value, given the security and very low inflation rate. Commodities having those qualities are somewhat rare, and Bitcoin is easier to buy, move around, and hide than gold, houses, art, or rare cars, for example, so as demand increases for the small worldwide supply available, the price goes up. As more people start to view Bitcoin like that, its price could continue to rise at a pretty good rate, provided there aren't any more major security incidents.
 

Nikodemos

Member
I just don't really get how this is worth 4 grand a piece, who is buying these?
From the little I understand, it's because bitcoin is a deflationary currency. There's a cap to the total number of bitcoins that can exist in the world, and the closer you get to the cap the harder it is to get one. Thus the supply is relatively stable. Then you have people who have lost, destroyed or misplaced their bitcoins, further constraining supply.

Thus bitcoins slowly appreciate over time solely because they exist, making them an attractive investment target.

Of course, problem is right now there are entities (both individuals and statal/nonstatal) who own hundreds of thousands of bitcoins, and they manipulate/distort the market.
 
Are there any resources you'd recommend for something just starting to get into this? I may have a few thousand I can play around with but obviously wouldn't want to plunk that into something I don't know much about.

I just read and research everything. Bitcointalk forum see what people are talking about, check the announcement threads, join any coins you are interested in twitter feeds, join their slacks too so you can keep tabs on development.

I stay away from Youtubers now as they rarely provide any information of value, it's hard to take them seriously when they are saying they are making thousands on their trades yet then ask for donations so they can buy a new camera for their videos 😂

I don't follow charts as they also don't seems to work well in this game, for me anyway. Information and news are the best things to give indicators on movements. This entire industry is pretty much built on speculation so you have to use that to your advantage. Buy the rumour, sell the news. I find coins that have small marketcaps that have something coming out soon to generate hype to be the most lucrative investments. Something with a marketcap of $15-20 million can easily go to $100 million if it's a good project.

Also don't be greedy, I learnt that very early on. It's easy to see these huge gains and think I'll hold out for more only to see the price crash and you lose out on a big chunk of profit. Also be patient, it's easy to get caught up in this and be checking your portfolio every 5 mins to see if anything has moved. If it's a good project and you got in low you will get your profits so just hold on, don't have weak hands 😂
 

tokkun

Member
I just don't really get how this is worth 4 grand a piece, who is buying these?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

The greater fool theory states that the price of an object is determined not by its intrinsic value, but rather by irrational beliefs and expectations of market participants.[1] A price can be justified by a rational buyer under the belief that another party is willing to pay an even higher price.[2][3][4] In other words, one may pay a price that seems "foolishly" high because one may rationally have the expectation that the item can be resold to a "greater fool" later.
 

Brandson

Member
This is why Bitcoin should never be used as a currency. Its constantly wildly fluctuating value makes it unsuitable to spend. Maybe there will be a stable cryptocurrency that gets widespread adoption one day but this isn't it.
 

DonMigs85

Member
This is why Bitcoin should never be used as a currency. Its constantly wildly fluctuating value makes it unsuitable to spend. Maybe there will be a stable cryptocurrency that gets widespread adoption one day but this isn't it.
Maybe DigiByte lol
 

Kenstar

Member
This is why Bitcoin should never be used as a currency. Its constantly wildly fluctuating value makes it unsuitable to spend. Maybe there will be a stable cryptocurrency that gets widespread adoption one day but this isn't it.
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Tether (USDT) is tied 1/1 to the USD intentionally and is used as a cash equivalent if you want to convert your coin to something unchanging or send money without worrying about fluctuationg prices
(that chart goes all the way back to 2015, lowest temp drop was to $.93)

Dogecoin has intentional deflation built in to encourage people to use it and not hoard it in hopes of future profit
 
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