Sickboy007
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I'm not talking about Singer, we'll know about him in a few months anyway. I'm talking about the gossip surrounding other people who are only suspected on the basis of guilt by association and sexuality.
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Bryan Singer (X-Men, Usual Suspects) accused of sexually abusing underage boy
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I'm not talking about Singer, we'll know about him in a few months anyway. I'm talking about the gossip surrounding other people who are only suspected on the basis of guilt by association and sexuality.
You right, his passive behavior is muddled a bit over this. Regardless once the rape allegations come out, similar reactions would be felt if it was a 17 year old girl. Though you would probably also get those bat shit fuckers saying she either liked it or is right out lying. You know, making baseless assertions.
Liquidsnake
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LMFAO.
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Kano on the Phone
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Oh no....not Sir Ian....
Not Sir Ian what? Are you implying that those guys are underage and that he's fucking them based off a picture?
Uh Oh......
You know that guy is like mid 20s right? Just because they LOOK young doesn't mean they are automatically 15 or something. Seriously just posting pics doesnt prove anything if you dont even know the age of the other guy.
Hollywood would actually make for a great psychological study. So many people go there thinking they are going to be one of the ones that will make it big. And of course many don't. Following a hundred or so people over a 25 year period who are trying to make it would make for a crazy book.
Sapiens
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Every time when he sees Jackman on set:
<3 Dean.
Never have I seen anybody come in their pants so convincingly on network television.
A 36-year-old soliciting a teenager for casual sex is a little creepy even if she's of age, in my opinion.
Doc Holliday
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Yep! I saw the link that said "creepy twink hollywood party" I'm a straight dude and if a bunch of gay dudes want to have a pool party, who gives a fuck. Nobody says anything about all the young girls in most pool parties hollywood throws.
Now if the guy is guilty, f him! But this "oh he's gay and into young guys" is creepy shit is fucked up.
metalslimer
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Uh Oh......
Your schtick in this thread is getting old
Oh, the solicitation/abuse of power stuff is creepy/screwed up no matter the gender of the parties involved. But the "young girl on arm of older man" thing is a pretty well established trope at this point.
kitchenmotors
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Those pool party pictures look like a typical gay party. I'm gay myself and that whole gay scene really isn't my thing, but nothing screamed out at me that drugs or rape was going on. There might be some thristy dudes looking for sex, but that's pretty much everywhere... gay and straight.
Overt male sexuality makes people uncomfortable in a way female sexuality doesn't. Yay double standards.
Hard to say. I haven't seen anyone learn of the result, or lack thereof, to that suit. As for not naming Singer, it's possible there was some strategic reason, like they felt they had a stronger case going after just the others. That suit also involved other plaintiffs, so that could play a role as well. Perhaps those two didn't have encounters with Singer so efforts were focused on where all of their incidents converged.
From my non-legal-expert perspective, I wouldn't read a whole lot into it for now. I think it's useful to counter anyone claiming this guy is probably making shit up 15 years later. Obviously he felt there was something wrong with the situation back then too.
It really depends on the kind of relationship, in my opinion. If James Franco wants to be in a relationship with a 19 or 20-year-old model, that's a little weird, but if it's consensual that's all cool. Using a teenager for sex is a very different matter altogether.
Sickboy007
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I don't understand your comparison. A teenager model is cool for a relationship, but a non-modelling teenager isn't cool for a one night stand? What?
If it's legal and consensual, who cares?
Napoleonthechimp
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I don't know about that. In the UK we had our own scandal that unearthed a lot of 70s-80s TV stars, so I can only imagine what the Hollywood elite get up to.
I'm sure it's the same here, but I think he was just talking about the city as a whole.
But if I'm wrong, please tell me.
TheFightingFish
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There is no doubt a bit of that going on here, but that is downplaying the parties a little bit. The point of the parties is not just that Bryan Singer likes men who look young, but the fact that these parties that Egan and Singer met at were run by a Hollywood executive who was convicted in 2004 of multiple accounts of smuggling minors across state lines for sex and of basically running a sex ring where young men were put on the studio payrolls and told that their careers would take off if they had sex with studio big shots at parties. I'm not speaking in a legal fashion, but just on my own personal judgement here. But if it's proven that Egan and Singer met at one of these parties I'd have a really hard time believing that he was not totally aware of how the arrangement worked, and it's an arrangement that I think is pretty nasty and I'd feel the same way about that regardless of the genders or ages of those involved.
I'd heard stories about Singer a long time ago. Back from around the time of Apt Pupil. I thought a lot of it was just bitterness from Fox because of how vindictive they were toward him after he left X-Men 3 to do Superman Returns. The stories were disturbing and over the top. But they pretty much fell in line with what's been described in this lawsuit.
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was waiting for some gaffer to drop the 'victim blaming' catchphrase of 2014. somehow need to work 'slut shaming' in here as well.
if the rest of the allegations went to the letter as described by the plaintiff then it's horrendous. However, there is enough red flags for me (age of victim, repeated apparently voluntary visits to said rape site after the fact) to make me not immediately assume that Brian Singer is a big gay rapist. Although, before this thread I didn't realise he was a big gay, that's pretty clear now.
It's entirely possible that this guy also, through a series of poor life choices attempted to sex his way into hollywood, didn't succeed and became old and bitter and now wants a lot of money from some very rich people who he by the sound of it has intimate knowledge.
both of the above situations could be true. We don't know either way.
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no, of course it doesn't.
Yeah, the actual details are grimy and gross, and we've seen the same type of crap on the female side of things for as long as we can remember. Not trying to downplay that. I'm just referring to what seems to be people's visceral reaction to seeing a younger-looking guy.
So we can claim its homophobic to find the allegations troubling.
Is he (Singer or Franco) using his influence to manipulate a very young person for quick sex, or is he actually interested in who they are? An age disparity in a relationship isn't wrong, but exploiting a teenager for sex is horrible.
Original article highlighted that the user was 17yo and was in a state where that was the age of consent, making it seem like it was a statuatory issue when it was anything but, and it just totally derailed the discussion.
In Singer's case, it appears to be a pattern of manipulation/pay for play/etc., which is troubling even without the other issues raised in the case. But what's wrong with a one-night-stand?
We're talking about a pattern of coercion and exploitation. I got no problem with Singer hooking up with younger dudes, but if he or his associates are promising to advance their careers in exchange for sex, that's a problem.
Using a celebrity status to get laid is perfectly natural.
Using a celebrity status to rape someone isn't.
Age of consent is largely a non issue as seventeen is close to the standard everywhere. If not, then that is a statutory issue which is absent from either argument. Still very different from forcible rape.
Using a celebrity status to rape someone isn't.
Age of consent is largely a non issue as seventeen is close to the standard everywhere. If not, then that is a statutory issue which is absent from either argument. Still very different from forcible rape.
It's cool bro. No harm done!
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Oh shit I took a picture with Singer at a USC alumni event, I guess that means I've been raping little boys for years or something.
No, but you've been having sex with Singer all this time and didn't know it.
This:
This, right here, is victim blaming. It's not a buzzword, and trying to blow off an argument by stating as such is ridiculous. You are assuming that because this kid was old enough to know better and that he took this trips to Hawaii, he should share partial blame in what transpired.
One of the reasons we have age of majority laws is because we have to draw a line in the sand at an age in which we decide people can make rational decisions on their own well being. This does not always mean sexually, but those two ages can be the same. In this case, they are... 18. This boy was 15 when these allegations first transpired, according to the victim. We shouldn't admonish someone for mistakes they made when they were under 18 by saying that "they should've known better." This is regardless of whether these allegations of rape are true or not -- I don't think it's a question of the fact that Bryan took this person when he was a minor to Hawaii. You can't say "well, he should've known better" when the guy was a teenager.
It also doesn't matter if he's just in it to get some compensation if Bryan actually, you know, raped him.
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Wrong, it's not victim blaming because we don't know if he's a victim. You've already convicted singer, I haven't.
However, when I stepped into this thread, I did so under the belief that the guy was 17, not 15. I take a much dimmer view of fucking around with a 15 year old than I do doing the same with a 17 year old, because I was both ages once and would have happily got myself into 'sexy situations' at that age.
I'm saying that multiple trips to the site of the alleged rape doesn't do the plaintiff a lot of favours.
Also the age of consent in Hawaii is apparently 16. so there's that as well.
and 'victim blaming' is a buzzword. it's easy to throw out to accuse the otherside of being a monster so they'll stop discussing something in fear of being seen as pro-rape. It's just avoiding thought or discussing tricky subjects.
1) It doesn't matter what the age of consent is -- as has been pointed out multiple times in this thread -- because it involves crossing state borders. The national age of consent is 18.
2) You said:
Which is laying the blame on this kid for what potentially transpired. That's victim blaming.
No, it's not a buzzword, it's an actual thing that you did when you said that this kid should shoulder the blame for what potentially transpired because he should've known better than taking a trip to Hawaii as a minor. If you don't believe that, chose your words more carefully next time.
HoodWinked
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i wonder if this will make brian singer untouchable i hope so cause his movies suck ass.
Delta Assault
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I suspect it will have a lot to do with how DOFP turns out. If the movie's a massive hit and the civil case turns murky and inconclusive... Hollywood will readily forgive.
You're implying that person is a victim (which is very well may end up being). Right now you have a couple PR statements. That's it.
So, that is one bothersome thing I found in this thread. The other was tossing in Franco for direct comparisons.
OriginalThinking
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Or you know, you could hope that none of this is true and that no one has been raped. Because that's the best outcome we should be hoping for.
That statement assumes that even if Bryan did have sex with this kid, it's okay because this kid should've known better than to fly with him to Hawaii.
What about that isn't victim blaming?
Considering that most victims in these cases are smeared and treated like liars from the get go, I'm not sure that's the best position to take.
...how would he be the victim of consensual sex?
And hanging out with people who have been convicted of doing the exact same thing. Totally normal behavior that most people engage in!
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