Melon Husk
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Virtual Cryality, an oculus rift shooter. Chop chop, get on it Crytek. e: It's going to take that or raytracing to amaze me. Go on, make the new Doom. Be a pioneer.
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Crytek Says It's Getting Increasingly Difficult to Wow People With Graphics
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I was wowed by uc4 def.
cripterion
Member
I don't need to be woved anymore, all I want is decent eye candy appropriate to the requirements needed and an optimized game.
It will.
But I think you're missing the point anyways. Its more that graphics in VR can be appreciated on a level that you will never, ever get from a 2D screen. Even the simplest polygonal meshes and basic textures can look incredible.
And really, VR is where its at in terms of where graphics have a ton of room to grow again.
TeddyShardik
Banned
Omg we will go from bit wars to pixel wars to ram wars won't we? :/
Omnii-chan
Member
So make interesting art styles?
ComputerMKII
Banned
Crytek demanding more powerful hardware? No way!
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
IAmRandom31
Banned
So far Sony's first party groups have done a damn fine job wowing me since launch. And its just the first gen of their engines, usually really rough but not so far
The tech behind The Tomorrow Children is extraordinary. Uncharted 4 is going to blow minds no doubt. The Order looks incredible. Etc. etc.
The tech behind The Tomorrow Children is extraordinary. Uncharted 4 is going to blow minds no doubt. The Order looks incredible. Etc. etc.
It really doesn't.
It has a nice art style that masks many of its less-than-impressive aspects.
Which is fine, really. I believe art style is more important than technically proficient graphics. But technically proficient graphics still have their place and pushing this area is how we get continually better looking games.
Chance Hale
Member
It's not about me
Dragon1893
Member
What he's saying is true, I don't see how anyone that posts here can question it.
CyberPunked
Member
I love how many people think Forza's visuals are even remotely comparable to Crysis 3 on a technical level. Especially when you consider its a last gen game from early 2013...
Should have been first post.
Thursday War
Banned
Maybe this time they'll focus on story and gameplay..that is if they don't go bankrupt within the next few years.
sobaka770
Banned
I think that Crytek has lost its way with how to "Wow" people with the graphics. When Far Cry was released there was a lot to do in terms of raw graphic power: more polygons, better textures, better shaders etc.
However, more and more, we're getting to the point where getting better textures and shaders is very expensive from the development perspective, but also expensive in terms of hardware which can potentially run it. Moreover, for most people, current-gen graphics are almost good-enough.
Crytek has never "Wow"ed anyone, however with it's artistic design. The tropical islands and overgrown New York were nice, for sure, but also forgettable. There is no soul to them which comes not just from having most polygons (which in a couple of years anybody will be able to achieve, because of technology scaling), but from the artistic design. Games like Assassin's Creed with it's incredible use of light to distinguish Acre from Damascus and Jerusalem, DotA2 with its attention to animations and all those 2D indie titles with crisp image and perfect sense of style (Shovel Knight anyone?) have much more charm and lasting power than any of the CrYsises and RYses.
It's nice that there is a company dedicated to pushing the technology forward, but if it's not all that fun to play their games, and they are not memorable for much but being benchmarks for 10'000EUR PCs with quadruple-sli and 4K monitors (e.g. 0.001 of all gamers), it's a waste of resources.
Also, on a side-note, I wonder from the business point of view, is this market worth pursuing?
However, more and more, we're getting to the point where getting better textures and shaders is very expensive from the development perspective, but also expensive in terms of hardware which can potentially run it. Moreover, for most people, current-gen graphics are almost good-enough.
Crytek has never "Wow"ed anyone, however with it's artistic design. The tropical islands and overgrown New York were nice, for sure, but also forgettable. There is no soul to them which comes not just from having most polygons (which in a couple of years anybody will be able to achieve, because of technology scaling), but from the artistic design. Games like Assassin's Creed with it's incredible use of light to distinguish Acre from Damascus and Jerusalem, DotA2 with its attention to animations and all those 2D indie titles with crisp image and perfect sense of style (Shovel Knight anyone?) have much more charm and lasting power than any of the CrYsises and RYses.
It's nice that there is a company dedicated to pushing the technology forward, but if it's not all that fun to play their games, and they are not memorable for much but being benchmarks for 10'000EUR PCs with quadruple-sli and 4K monitors (e.g. 0.001 of all gamers), it's a waste of resources.
Also, on a side-note, I wonder from the business point of view, is this market worth pursuing?
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Try entertaining instead.
Hero Prinny
Member
Try to wow me with gameplay mechanics instead then. For example, fallout 3 and NV both look like doodoo but wowed me cause of what you're able to do in them
Crytek's business is engines so it's natural why they would take this stance if you think about it.
Damn, first reply nailed it.
Nope. Market is as graphics-hungry as it ever has been and will remain a priority going forward.
*IF* you think about it. That doesn't seem to happen very much. All these people saying "Well focus on gameplay instead" seem to really be missing the point.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
...and we're done.
protomouse
Member
I have nothing but respect for Crytek engineers. They are the best in the industry. But yeah, I think diminishing returns from graphics is real and it's only going to continue on that trend.
They've had that in each of their games since Halo 2
Should have been first post, I'm disappointed guys.
They have the tech, they should probably focus more on the art. Crysis 3 is probably way more demanding than any Unreal Engine game, but I'm more impressed with games like Ethan Carter or DmC than I was playing Crysis 3.
And while the "wow people with gameplay instead" comments may be out of place, it's still good advice. Crysis doesn't wow me graphically anymore, but I still play it because it's amazing. It wows me with the mechanics, Far Cry 3 is as close to Crysis 1 as it gets, and it's still not quite the same. Everything is behind a paywall and most stuff are prompt based or context sensitive, Crysis gives you actual freedom to do whatever crazy shit you can. Quickly switching suit modes never gets old.
EDIT: I guess Dishonored is closer than Far Cry 3, but I didn't play it yet, so I can't say for sure.
And while the "wow people with gameplay instead" comments may be out of place, it's still good advice. Crysis doesn't wow me graphically anymore, but I still play it because it's amazing. It wows me with the mechanics, Far Cry 3 is as close to Crysis 1 as it gets, and it's still not quite the same. Everything is behind a paywall and most stuff are prompt based or context sensitive, Crysis gives you actual freedom to do whatever crazy shit you can. Quickly switching suit modes never gets old.
EDIT: I guess Dishonored is closer than Far Cry 3, but I didn't play it yet, so I can't say for sure.
TeddyShardik
Banned
People just get used to great graphics very damn fast. Unless you're the first to have a particular effect or piece of tech it really is hard to wow people nowadays.
And even then it will become normal to expect this kind of tech very soon.
I do think Crytek did pretty well in this department so far though.
And even then it will become normal to expect this kind of tech very soon.
I do think Crytek did pretty well in this department so far though.
First post was basically saying the same thing. :/
Its not really relevant to the discussion, though. But this seems to be one of those threads that gets created so everybody can spam the same tired nonsense over and over for a quick laugh or bash rather than any intelligent discussion.
CyberPunked
Member
Their games aren't bad because they have good visuals.
Driving games are hardly hard to make look good....
Krauser Kat
Member
crytek still have a free pass for me Crysis is still one of the best damn FPS games ever made.
Krusenstern
Banned
What if you're both? I play primarly on PC but The Order 1886, Driveclub and Uncharted 4 really blew my mind.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Well, it is not just fancy realistic graphics to draw people in, it is the STYLE of the visuals themselves that do so
The biggest proof for this is simply Minecraft. A freakin java game that looks like it was made 15 years ago graphically, but it's the gameplay and style of the game that has made it sell 55 million copies. You don't need great graphics if you have phenomenal gameplay. There are hundreds of other inidie games that prove this as well. But today, so many AAA games seem to focus much more on realistic graphics than good or interesting gameplay, because that is their "hook" for the consumer. Unfortunately, it's also the reason development costs are skyrocketing for the AAA studios. I think the industry needs to shift more towards great and innovative gameplay than photo realistic graphics.
False.
PC gamers would say "Driveclub is nothing I haven't seen on a high end PC in 2006", or something like that.
While we are still leaps and bounds away from photorealism in real-time I think the major issues are slowing improvements in graphics in combination with more companies being able to push the boundaries of the state of the art. This makes it harder to make a selling argument based on graphics alone.
Red Chocobo
Banned
This is a good thing.
It means that you have to wow people with gameplay instead.
It means that you have to wow people with gameplay instead.
diffusionx
Gold Member
I hate when people say this.
Crysis is an amazingly good FPS. One of the best I've ever played.
Must be a console gamer. Their pc (only) games are some of the best games i ever played.
CyberPunked
Member
This isn't how it works. Good visuals aren't inversely proportional to a good game. You don't take graphics engineers and set them to design the gameplay.
Actually that GIF is PC_inception, because that is how PC gamers in general react to any new game at first glance (especially if any game has a high System requirement) and then that excitement fades quicker than an after shave lotion drying up on the skin.
Glad that Crytek admitted that gameplay is important too, hopefully it can concentrate on gameplay after it comes out if its current situation.
Celestial Mortal
Member
Are there any Crytek devs on the forum?
runningjoke
Member
The Playstations all have 16x the ram the last one had, so the PS5 will get 128GB