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[willbsn13]

No timer? Yessssss. I was never a fan of it. I can see why core fans are annoyed by the lack of it though.

 

[reelbigtink]

It's OK, pro-timer friends. We can just replay the first one if we're not feeling limited enough!

I dunno why but I loved the timer. Added a sense of urgency I guess.

 

[Mr Swine]

It's OK, pro-timer friends. We can just replay the first one if we're not feeling limited enough!

I dunno why but I loved the timer. Added a sense of urgency I guess.

Except you can't find the first game anywhere and its not on pic

 

[icespide]

Except you can't find the first game anywhere and its not on pic

you can buy it digitally on 360

 

[Mr Swine]

you can buy it digitally on 360

Oh ok, but I don't own a 360 or Xbone sadly

 

[flaxknuckles]

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

I can wait for it to hit Steam.

 

[RichiRamjag]

The demo is so damn fun. The weapons are crazy. That powersuit is soooo awesome! My fav of the show.

Some things I learned talking to a Capcom Vancouver rep:

1. They will not be talking exact resolution nor framerate at E3, but frame rate is already improved from DR3.

2. Game is already running more zombies on screen than DR3.

3. There will be more variety of zombies than DR3.

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

A year...

Guess I'll grab it on Xbox. No timer is cool.

 

[reelbigtink]

Except you can't find the first game anywhere and its not on pic

Seems like a missed opportunity not to make it available on any other platform. Well darn.

 

[DOWN]

The demo is so damn fun. The weapons are crazy. That powersuit is soooo awesome! My fav of the show.

Some things I learned talking to a Capcom Vancouver rep:

1. They will not be talking exact resolution nor framerate at E3, but frame rate is already improved from DR3.

2. Game is already running more zombies on screen than DR3.

3. There will be more variety of zombies than DR3.

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

Different publishing deal could mean PS4 port I hope

So this is the same kind of exclusive SFV is as well?

No. SFV is permanent exclusive on PS4 and not coming to Xbox. Sony literally paid for the game's development.

 

[Seyavesh]

It's OK, pro-timer friends. We can just replay the first one if we're not feeling limited enough!

I dunno why but I loved the timer. Added a sense of urgency I guess.

its the crux for the entire design of the game in terms of adding challenge and urgency to the game rather having it just be a zombie killing themepark that could be easily replicated by any moron

specifically, it's used as a method of generating importance to your actions as items have effectively unlimited stores (this is why that's changed in infinity mode btw)- learning the environment, planning routes and dealing with surprises that change up your plans in terms of supplies and routing all relies on the timer existing. without it always being a factor everything loses meaning and the game becomes a boring sandbox with little interactivity or consequence- it's the effective equivalent of playing RE1 or 2 with unlimited ammunition and infinite health because the challenge doesn't lie in survival given ideal circumstances, it's about adaptation and flexibility given increasingly dire situations.

DR1 at it's core is an evolution of the survival horror genre in a brilliant way that is actually like, unbelievable in it's design. there's a very deliberate and well thought out placement of items (both out in the world and in terms of stores), locations and general pacing- it's not nearly praised enough as it should be due to these key factors being 'unfun' since folks feel pressured by incredibly basic consequences

edit:
DR2 actually follows these principles quite well but with pretty heavy loosening on consequences through the timer being less important alongside removing a lot of the factors of adaptability due to crafted weapons and environmental enemy changes being less prevalent- the abundance of crafted weapons and workrooms lets players always have lots of powerful weapons onhand, rendering those tight situations rather rare and toothless

 

[reelbigtink]

its the crux for the entire design of the game in terms of adding challenge and urgency to the game rather having it just be a zombie killing themepark that could be easily replicated by any moron

specifically, it's used as a method of generating importance to your actions as items have effectively unlimited stores (this is why that's changed in infinity mode btw)- learning the environment, planning routes and dealing with surprises that change up your plans in terms of supplies and routing all relies on the timer existing. without it always being a factor everything loses meaning and the game becomes a boring sandbox with little interactivity or consequence- it's the effective equivalent of playing RE1 or 2 with unlimited ammunition and infinite health because the challenge doesn't lie in survival given ideal circumstances, it's about adaptation and flexibility given increasingly dire situations.

DR1 at it's core is an evolution of the survival horror genre in a brilliant way that is actually like, unbelievable in it's design. there's a very deliberate and well thought out placement of items (both out in the world and in terms of stores), locations and general pacing- it's not nearly praised enough as it should be due to these key factors being 'unfun' since folks feel pressured by incredibly basic consequences

edit:
DR2 actually follows these principles but with pretty heavy loosening on consequences through a pretty large loosening of the timer alongside removing a lot of the factors of adaptability due to crafted weapons and environmental enemy changes being less prevalent- the abundance of crafted weapons and workrooms lets players always have lots of powerful weapons onhand

I never played any of the sequels but you nailed what made the original such a special game. The timer never felt unfair. It gave the game that Groundhog Day experience of becoming an expert over time and eventually tearing through an area in two minutes that gave you a ton of trouble previously (like fighting those psychopaths out in the courtyard).

 

[Granjinha]

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

wut? It isn't UE4?

Fuck.

 

[DOWN]

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

wut? It isn't UE4?

Fuck.

Yeah that's sad to hear. Dead Rising 1 was incredibly clean and smooth looking. It was that MT Framework gold. It got worse with two which dropped the motion blur and framerate, and then 3 was just a total mess tech wise.

 

[Shogmaster]

Yeah that's sad to hear. Dead Rising 1 was incredibly clean and smooth looking. It was that MT Framework gold. It got worse with two which dropped the motion blur and framerate, and then 3 was just a total mess tech wise.

Drama much? The game plays fine now. Sure, it was rough at launch but that's the joy of launching a game at console launch window. By contrast, DR 1 launched a year after 360 IIRC.

 

[Little Nemo]

The demo is so damn fun. The weapons are crazy. That powersuit is soooo awesome! My fav of the show.

Some things I learned talking to a Capcom Vancouver rep:

1. They will not be talking exact resolution nor framerate at E3, but frame rate is already improved from DR3.

2. Game is already running more zombies on screen than DR3.

3. There will be more variety of zombies than DR3.

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

Thank god, if true. I'm still crossing my fingers on DR3 getting released on PS4 as a "remastered edition" or "Super Special Edition" or something.

 

[rockman zx]

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

Thanks for this info, you saved me 350€.

 

[...Scatter...]

So they announced Dec 6th release date. Looking forward to see it's progression until then. On the radar for sure.

 

[Omnii-chan]

DR is one of my favorite series, I simply can't miss out. Especially with Frank West. Still hope he's a smart ass character wise with same voice actor.

After the horror stories of Windows Store I'm not sure I'll get it on PC, though running it at 60FPS would be nice... I'm sure it'll be 30 on console. I'm not waiting for a year minimum to play it on PS4 with the timed exclusive deal MS has.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

I just want confirmation that this isn't W10 Store only...

 

[Tohsaka]

The demo is so damn fun. The weapons are crazy. That powersuit is soooo awesome! My fav of the show.

Some things I learned talking to a Capcom Vancouver rep:

1. They will not be talking exact resolution nor framerate at E3, but frame rate is already improved from DR3.

2. Game is already running more zombies on screen than DR3.

3. There will be more variety of zombies than DR3.

4. DR4 uses improved version of DR3 engine. Development started 8 months after finishing DR3.

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

Does that mean no Steam version for a year, too?

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

good deal. 1yr will go by like nothing with all these games comin out

 

[Chinner]

its the crux for the entire design of the game in terms of adding challenge and urgency to the game rather having it just be a zombie killing themepark that could be easily replicated by any moron

specifically, it's used as a method of generating importance to your actions as items have effectively unlimited stores (this is why that's changed in infinity mode btw)- learning the environment, planning routes and dealing with surprises that change up your plans in terms of supplies and routing all relies on the timer existing. without it always being a factor everything loses meaning and the game becomes a boring sandbox with little interactivity or consequence- it's the effective equivalent of playing RE1 or 2 with unlimited ammunition and infinite health because the challenge doesn't lie in survival given ideal circumstances, it's about adaptation and flexibility given increasingly dire situations.

DR1 at it's core is an evolution of the survival horror genre in a brilliant way that is actually like, unbelievable in it's design. there's a very deliberate and well thought out placement of items (both out in the world and in terms of stores), locations and general pacing- it's not nearly praised enough as it should be due to these key factors being 'unfun' since folks feel pressured by incredibly basic consequences

edit:
DR2 actually follows these principles quite well but with pretty heavy loosening on consequences through the timer being less important alongside removing a lot of the factors of adaptability due to crafted weapons and environmental enemy changes being less prevalent- the abundance of crafted weapons and workrooms lets players always have lots of powerful weapons onhand, rendering those tight situations rather rare and toothless

This guy gets it.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Does that mean no Steam version for a year, too?

I wonder if that's what the 1 year exclusivity is for.

 

[Twin Tails]

I just want confirmation that this isn't W10 Store only...

It will be, for a year.

 

[Little Nemo]

For those that played through DR3, I have a question about the plot. I played the first two games but never played the third. However, I read that in one of the endings for DR3 it's revealed that

Spoiler

Isabella is apparently behind the outbreak in 3?

Does that make any sense in regards to the plot?

Spoiler

She helped Frank in the first game to stop her brother and was looking for a cure to the outbreak in the Case West DLC. Then all of a sudden she turns heel? It sounded really stupid and kind of pissed me off when I heard about it.

I really haven't been super happy with Capcom Vancouver's handling of the series to be honest.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

its the crux for the entire design of the game in terms of adding challenge and urgency to the game rather having it just be a zombie killing themepark that could be easily replicated by any moron

specifically, it's used as a method of generating importance to your actions as items have effectively unlimited stores (this is why that's changed in infinity mode btw)- learning the environment, planning routes and dealing with surprises that change up your plans in terms of supplies and routing all relies on the timer existing. without it always being a factor everything loses meaning and the game becomes a boring sandbox with little interactivity or consequence- it's the effective equivalent of playing RE1 or 2 with unlimited ammunition and infinite health because the challenge doesn't lie in survival given ideal circumstances, it's about adaptation and flexibility given increasingly dire situations.

DR1 at it's core is an evolution of the survival horror genre in a brilliant way that is actually like, unbelievable in it's design. there's a very deliberate and well thought out placement of items (both out in the world and in terms of stores), locations and general pacing- it's not nearly praised enough as it should be due to these key factors being 'unfun' since folks feel pressured by incredibly basic consequences

edit:
DR2 actually follows these principles quite well but with pretty heavy loosening on consequences through the timer being less important alongside removing a lot of the factors of adaptability due to crafted weapons and environmental enemy changes being less prevalent- the abundance of crafted weapons and workrooms lets players always have lots of powerful weapons onhand, rendering those tight situations rather rare and toothless

You nailed what makes DR so special. Removing it is like remomoving the three days in Majora's Mask, which would be akin to ripping out the heart of that game.

Now DR is just another mindless zombie slaughter game, as if we don't have enough of these already.

 

[Crab Milk Mickey]

nobody wants the same game philosophy of dark souls in this series but you. keep that shit out of here.

seems like people are forgetting the general idea of DR. Now its the Dynasty Warriors of Zombies but it wasn't when they had an achievement to kill 53,594 zombies in the first game?

Dead Rising 1 and to a lesser extent the second game already shared a somewhat similar underlying design philosophy though, so Chinner's observation isn't the odd one out.

That achievement remark (a joke or flavor objective at the most) is also reaching, considering you didn't have an abundance of kill count grind spots + mass killing weaponry / vehicles in spades at this level of potency:

For those that played through DR3, I have a question about the plot. I played the first two games but never played the third. However, I read that in one of the endings for DR3 it's revealed that

Spoiler

Isabella is apparently behind the outbreak in 3?

Does that make any sense in regards to the plot?

Spoiler

She helped Frank in the first game to stop her brother and was looking for a cure to the outbreak in the Case West DLC. Then all of a sudden she turns heel? It sounded really stupid and kind of pissed me off when I heard about it.

I really haven't been super happy with Capcom Vancouver's handling of the series to be honest.

It really was asinine character development. The justification behind it all was that

Spoiler

she caused 3's outbreak out of spite, so that her cure would redeem her family name after simultaneously exposing the shady on-goings of both the government and wheelchair's lady pharmaceutical company. Or something along those lines to follow the seven deadly sins thematic.

Idiotic twist.

 

[abracadaver]

I can wait for it to hit Steam.

Same.

Day 1 on Steam for me. This is going to be awesome

 

[sangreal]

fact sheet: http://news.xbox.com/wp-content/uploads/Dead-Rising-4-Fact-Sheet_June-2016-E3.docx

 

[War Raichu]

Dead Rising 1 and to a lesser extent the second game already shared a somewhat similar underlying design philosophy though, so Chinner's observation isn't the odd one out.

That achievement remark (a joke or flavor objective at the most) is also reaching, considering you didn't have an abundance of kill count grind spots + mass killing weaponry / vehicles in spades at this level of potency:

DR3 was pretty bad with the steamroller motorcycle, but that vehicle looks absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Plasma]

So I take it after the ending of Dead Rising 3 Frank has been cured and won't have to take zombrex all the time in this right?

 

[icespide]

So I take it after the ending of Dead Rising 3 Frank has been cured and won't have to take zombrex all the time in this right?

are you confusing Frank with Chuck?

 

[watership]

I really hope that this isn't exclusive to the damn Windows 10 Store on PC.

This is so familiar to me from 1996 on Usenet.

"I really hope that this isn't a win32 program on Windows 95 and is a DOS/4G instead".

 

[JaggedSac]

There won't be a timer in game.

Fantastic

 

[Bits N Pieces]

I thought Capcom Vancouver were working exclusively with UE4?

 

[Zvonimir Boban]

are you confusing Frank with Chuck?

Are you confusing Chuck with his daughter?

 

[Joey Ravn]

Honest question. Why are people assuming that the 1-year publishing deal means that the game is coming to PS4?

I can see it meaning that the game will be released on Steam after a year, besides being on the W10 Store. The only recent example I can think of is Rise of the Tomb Raider. But was published by Square Enix, so it's a different case, though. In this case, Microsoft is publishing the game. Is it any common for a game to have a publisher for only a year, then switch to another one to release on other platforms?

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Don't get your hopes up for a PS4 version people. It could simply mean it will only hit Steam after a year. Similar to 3.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Granjinha]

I thought Capcom Vancouver were working exclusively with UE4?

Me too. From that Press Release.

I hope the guy got something wrong.

Don't get your hopes up for a PS4 version people. It could simply mean it will only hit Steam after a year. Similar to 3.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

I think this is what it means, too.

 

[timlot]

good deal. 1yr will go by like nothing with all these games comin out

Will see. Not hearing much love about Rise of TR PS4 coming out of E3.

 

[sangreal]

Me too. From that Press Release.

I hope the guy got something wrong.



I think this is what it means, too.

The fact sheet I posted above says:

Powered by the Forge graphics and physics engine and built with Direct X 11, Dead Rising 4 on Windows 10 delivers the ultimate zombie thrill ride.

 

[Hubble]

I want a timer. The timer made Dead Rising. It was easier in 2. You have to remember you have a timer but don't have to complete all missions. The leveling system and timer for a replay was perfect. If you replay the game, and a high level after, then it is easier to complete all missions in-time. I really hope they keep the timer.

Or they should have the timer as default and the way it should be played. Then make it optional if you want to turn off the timer but then you lose an achievement.

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Oh well with no timer I don't care about it. The lack of it is one of the reasons I didn't like DR3. Completely different game from. The first two.

 

[Lee Chaolan]

Would be nice if Chuck was playable in this

 

[Poyunch]

Jesus, Frank is a psycopath lol.

 

[GodParticle]

Glad no timers. They absolutely ruin any game to me

 

[RecRoulette]

fact sheet: http://news.xbox.com/wp-content/uploads/Dead-Rising-4-Fact-Sheet_June-2016-E3.docx

Amidst the chaos, photojournalist Frank West returns 16 years after the events of Dead Rising.

Oh thank god, thought it was going to be a straight reboot. This leaves the door open for other characters still alive at that point too.

 

[Armigr]

5. Capcom Vancouver is developing, MS is pubilishing. 1 year exclusive with MS. Slightly different deal than DR3.

Is this confirmed? Because if so that would bring a smile to my face! I would love to play this game but the only hardware I have that could potentially run it is a PS4.

 

[Pocky4Th3Win]

Is it coming to PS4?

edit....

http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/d..._by_microsoft_in_partnership_with_capcom.html

MS has the same box art but without the exclusive tag on it on their website...

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/dead-rising-4

I will not call it exclusive until they or capcom state it since MS doesn't seem to be shouting from the rooftops about it like they did with Tomb Raider.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

No timer? yasssssssssssss

Don't give me a really fun sandbox then make me rush through it. I loved DR1 too but I would have much prefered to play it diferently.