Dark, some Wii U version test soon?
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DF on Zelda Switch: Docked has major frame drops, portable doesn't (no score talk)
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Dark, some Wii U version test soon?
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Exactly. It's not like they designed the game, finalized the engine and everything then were told, "btw, this needs to run on a hybrid console" at the last hour. They made this game with the Switch in mind. It's inexcusable.
And what about the claim that the drops mainly are on the Great Plateau?
Summer Haze
Banned
Nachtfalke
Member
Yes, please I am Setsuna. It's a Unity game with a 60fps target even struggeling on the PS4. Curious to see what the Switch version has to offer docked or portable. Would love to see Fast RMX aswell.
so like BotW then?
TheFuzz
Member
BB is better now but was awful at launch.
Summer Haze
Banned
...yes?
What are your facts here? Did you follow the GDC footage about BotW at all?
No Bloodborne has always been a pretty solid 30fps.
However the frame pacing was and continues to be, fucked.
No. Bloodborne has always been a pretty solid 30 fps game, it just had terrible framepacing.
And that was never patched. Loading times were patched.
It's Witcher 3 that got a lot of performance patches.
The Illiterati
Member
I can see a lot of people are getting up in arms about my comment. The only improvement between the two is slightly more resolution and and slightly higher FPS on the Switch. If this is what you expected out of your brand new console have at it!
I have fully admitted in the past that I have no intentions of ever buying a Switch. The Wii U is the worst console I have ever owned. I think Switch looks like a dozen soon to be unused gimmicks rolled into one barely improved system. Despite this I was still expecting the Switch version of Zelda to run like butter and have many graphical upgrades. It doesn't. You can defend your purchase all you want, and I sincerely hope Switch purchasers love it, but these Zelda comparisons only serve to confirm for me that there is literally no reason to give Nintendo money for another half-baked console.
I will still play the same game as the rest of you(with frame drops galore).
geordiemp
Member
If The bandwidth is 25.5 Gb/s, that would probably do it.
Its about GPU clocks and bandwidth / memory clocks / bus size
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Well, aside from people crying over the validity of the Metacritic score, sure.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
What is frame pacing? Do you mean inconsistent lengths of time displaying each frame?
Man the salt here is something...
10/10 doesnt mean perfection, and a game can be penalized for technical issues. But its not the same a game with 3 good things and framerate issues that a game with 30 good things and framerate issues. Being brave and risk more should be praised over some framerate issues. Reviewers are free to penalize it if they want, but stop the 'they pass it because is Zelda'.
10/10 doesnt mean perfection, and a game can be penalized for technical issues. But its not the same a game with 3 good things and framerate issues that a game with 30 good things and framerate issues. Being brave and risk more should be praised over some framerate issues. Reviewers are free to penalize it if they want, but stop the 'they pass it because is Zelda'.
Instead of being vague how abut you point out what you noticed in the GDC presentation that makes you believe otherwise.
Memorabilia
Member
They should absolutely lower the rez to 720p...or better yet, make it an option...but sadly I don't think that's too likely.
Yeah, we captured 30 minutes and it was mostly steady BUT, if you watch that video again, there is one point where it randomly dips to 20fps for a period of time and we were like "Whoa, what is that?"
Those are the types of drops that are happening all over the place. The demo that I played certainly didn't exhibit the issue very often but each session was only 15 minutes soooo...who knows.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Basically. Instead of each frame being displayed for exactly two display refreshes (30fps at 60Hz), one might be displayed for 3 while the next is only displayed for 1, etc. The end result is still 30 unique frames per second, but unevenly distributed over that second.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Holy shit. It seems that the resolution bump is really what is causing the drops in frames. Should have just stuck with 720p even in docked so that the frames would be more stable. I cannot wait for the Wii U analysis.
Do you think the problems in docked mode could be some sort of streaming error or bug?
Because as I understand it, the portable mode doesn't drop at all.
The decision to port it to Switch was very late.
haha is this real??
papercan55
Member
Not true at all, whilst it does improve once your off the great plateau(less frequent drops) it get's far worse when in villages (especially when it rains) and other specific areas which make the great plateau seem like a rock solid frame rate.
I've said it before but wait a few days until people reach later villages and specific areas, if people are this upset about a little random dropping to 20fps then people will be going nuts in a few days.
I fully expect a patch because as it stands in docked mode it gets really bad in parts.
Fixed.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Four years+ of development with a minimum of two years of NX development time.
Maybe they didn't have the NX in mind, but they had the Wii U in mind and they failed to deliver a premium experience on even better hardware. It's kind of embarrassing.
DeuceGamer
Member
Framedrops havent really hampered my gameplay, but they can be a bit jarring since they seem to be at completely unexpected times.
Since it's not a HW power issue as much as it is streaming issue according to DF, is it something that Nintendo could have fixed without needing to downgrade the overall package (e.g. mandatory installs)?
Since it's not a HW power issue as much as it is streaming issue according to DF, is it something that Nintendo could have fixed without needing to downgrade the overall package (e.g. mandatory installs)?
Darth Ghandi
Banned
Yup, can really feel it drop in forests with much grass.
Hoping for a patch here.
Hoping for a patch here.
Dangansona
Member
For IGN, and probably many other outlets, a 10/10 or 5 stars does not mean a perfect game. On the IGN scale in particular, it means masterpiece. Do you not think it's possible that the game is so good in all other aspects that occasional frame rate issues would not hamper it from being a masterpiece?
I'm saying this as someone who wasn't hyped for Zelda or the Switch and for the moment is planning on getting it this weekend for the Wii U, which is what I really want a DF comparison on.
breakfuss
Member
You seem to be really bothered lol
And for the effect on the player, it can be weird. For some it just feels straight-up like a lower framerate, while some claim to not even notice it.
Wait till they get to the tropical biome. Just Cause 3/Dark Souls 1 blighttown levels of performance ugh.
However neither of those games got a 98/100 score. Perhaps people felt that the lower scores they received fit the game as a whole with the technical issues they had.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
I'm getting it on Wii U, so it's kind of frustrating that they didn't even nail one version of it. Even it needed stripping down.
Are you guys going to do later segments of the game? Supposedly there's a few areas where the framerate significantly dips such as villages and tropical areas and it would be interesting to compare performance in those regions as well.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Yeah, we saw this at the Game Awards last year. Disappointing .
I must say that I am not very sensitive when it comes to framerate problems but even I noticed that on the WiiU version. 90% of the time (10 hours so far) it runs really well but especially in towns it is noticable. All in all I knew before that the WiiU version will be the weaker one and it is really impressive that it runs on that console mostly well with this much going on but it's a bit strange to see that in a normally really polished Nintendo game.
That doesn't remove the fact tho that BotW is already one of the best games I played so far.
And lol to these who are whimpering about the score, it's so obvious that you're completely salty that it rated better than your favorite game. Keep it going, it's music to my ears.
That doesn't remove the fact tho that BotW is already one of the best games I played so far.
And lol to these who are whimpering about the score, it's so obvious that you're completely salty that it rated better than your favorite game. Keep it going, it's music to my ears.
I believe so. Just takes time to get there and grab all necessary media.
Awesome.