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Digital Foundry Face-Off: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (PC/PS4/XB1)
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dragonfart28
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That's what I'm running it on right now (Alienware Alpha). The biggest draw is just the flexibility to tweak the graphics settings as you can do more with less on a PC.
Just as an example, I really think the PS4 people would hugely benefit if they had the option to drop the game's resolution down to 900p and max out the graphics settings.
On the 750ti, I am getting 30+ with most set to Ultra, including HBAO+, AA applied and 16x AF.
It was truly worth sacrificing a few pixels in this case.
Nope, it is an Intel i3 4130 and 8GB RAM.
The Op and article say the used an i3 and 750ti and used the same settings (that they think they see) on the ps4 and got the same results and frame rates. What the hell do you think I'm referring to?
CerebralTiger
Member
It's a pretty solid 30fps post-patch 1.09, which is most certainly better than the inconsistent performance in the ps4 version of The Witcher 3.
And low. And it was expected by a fair number of rational people on this board. But not eveyrone on this board is rational when it comes to these consoles.
For a list of who, take a look at the 750ti i3 witcher thread.
Oh man, I just read those digitalfoundry comments. Hilarious, ALL of them have to do with the price of the PC ($2,600, $2,000!!, $4,000!!!!) vs the console. So funny.
No worries, but yeah I get that. I don't know what an equivalent CPU would be and I'd take a guess that Windows and dx would be a bit more demanding than how the ps4 runs it
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Biggest differences to me are NPC count and shadow draw distance.
The added contrast from shadows adds a lot to the overall look of the world and I think that really takes away from some panoramas on consoles.
Overall the game looks pretty good on Ps4, but even at 1080p with some basic AA I feel like the foliage, especially in the distance, would benefit a lot from higher resolution. This must be even worse on XboxOne.
Framerate also isn't good on Ps4. It often feels sluggish to me during combat and sometimes it straight up tanks and I'm usually not someone who is particularly sensitive when it comes to framerate.
I hope they fix framerate on consoles. Maybe they cen even get the shadow draw distance up a bit or improve the NPC density.
Infamous Second Son never dipped below 30FPS, at least not during gameplay.(Afaik it only dropped below 30 when you performed a special attack, but during that time you didn't have control anyway.)
First Light was even better in the framerate department.
The added contrast from shadows adds a lot to the overall look of the world and I think that really takes away from some panoramas on consoles.
Overall the game looks pretty good on Ps4, but even at 1080p with some basic AA I feel like the foliage, especially in the distance, would benefit a lot from higher resolution. This must be even worse on XboxOne.
Framerate also isn't good on Ps4. It often feels sluggish to me during combat and sometimes it straight up tanks and I'm usually not someone who is particularly sensitive when it comes to framerate.
I hope they fix framerate on consoles. Maybe they cen even get the shadow draw distance up a bit or improve the NPC density.
Infamous Second Son never dipped below 30FPS, at least not during gameplay.(Afaik it only dropped below 30 when you performed a special attack, but during that time you didn't have control anyway.)
First Light was even better in the framerate department.
What are your system specs?
Ah, I got you. Yeah, I think that somewhere said the Oculus had crazy minimum requirements.
come on man
ProfessorMoran
Member
That xbone pic looks blurry.
That was fixed in the patches, it's a solid performer now.
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Nobody cares if PS4 is medium, low, etc. It's how poorly it performs and how unimpressive the graphics are among current gen only games.
This quality in the graphics is just not competitive and it doesn't perform above the peers either. For a foliage heavy game, I'm surprised how poorly it compares to GTA V, Inquisition, and even Black Flag foliage LOD. Here we go again (in that fugly armor we've all tried):
This quality in the graphics is just not competitive and it doesn't perform above the peers either. For a foliage heavy game, I'm surprised how poorly it compares to GTA V, Inquisition, and even Black Flag foliage LOD. Here we go again (in that fugly armor we've all tried):
I'm sure they've noticed and care, but it's probably not easily solvable.Yeah seems like same issues are also on PC: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/threads/37181-Strange-movement-camera-judder-effect-on-PC
How come no one at CDprojektRed when playing/developing noticed the stuttering ?
Or maybe they just don't care
You are about to....evolve. Darwin was right after all.
I kid, I kid.
What? CONSOLEPLAYER is evolving?
Congratulations! Your CONSOLEPLAYER evolved into PCENTHUSIAST!
PCENTHUSIAST learned INITWEAK!
How does this shit even fly?
Oh, just kidding.
Lol. Why don't we wait till we have that many patch iterations to Witcher 3, if that's the barometer for comparison?
Show me an open world game that compares.
/Obviously/ games with more confined structures will have the potential to look better.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
It's a weird game to me, at times with the right conditions it looks stunning, at others it dosn't look like a true next-gen experience.
Quite. Especially how we "needed answers".
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Silver lining.
thelastword
Banned
That was improved in a patch for the consoles.
Consoles were never going to have hairworks, these are AMD machines.Kezen said:
The XB1 also has worse texture filtering and the AA methods muddies it's muddy image even more. The temporal AA is having some issues with the subnative image, affecting clarity.
I've seen better shots on the PS4, however, what was expected from the Witcher 3 graphically is not exactly what we got. I'm still waiting on further analysis, but if it is that stuff like textures are not at least ultra on the PS4, then there were some really bad decisions made for the port, the PS4 has enough memory to handle such textures.
I don't think it makes sense to say such a thing, especially with games that could use some extra development time or make better use of the console hardware. Some decisions here are really mind-boggling and there's no doubt that the game needs a couple of patches to sort things out. I mean cutscenes fall to the teens in the PS4 version, they're using vsync with double buffering is very strange and if they're not using the best textures on PS4, these are all very strange decisions.
So many current gen games use HBAO on the PS4, not here, highest end textures on PC have been common on so many current-gen console releases as well, not here. Yes, it needs some work.
I thought this was a comparison thread, not a pc sales thread.
It is also doing things on a much grander scale than its peers, with aspects like no loading screens for buildings/towns that its peers are also not doing.Nobody cares if PS4 is medium, low, etc. It's how poorly it performs and how unimpressive the graphics are among current gen only games.
This quality in the graphics is just not competitive and it doesn't perform above the peers either. Started it up again (in that fugly armor we've all tried):
As for 'nobody cares', well, you should probably speak for yourself, especially as a very outspoken critic in this area. I've seen plenty of people quite happy with how their game looks on console.
Well thanks to God 900p should be virtually identical to 1080p sharpness.My God.
Nobody cares if PS4 is medium, low, etc. It's how poorly it performs and how unimpressive the graphics are among current gen only games.
This quality in the graphics is just not competitive and it doesn't perform above the peers either. For a foliage heavy game, I'm surprised how poorly it compares to GTA V, Inquisition, and even Black Flag foliage LOD. Here we go again (in that fugly armor we've all tried):
Wow, that looks horrendous. the PC version looks WAY better, and I'm not playing at all ultra. AF and some of the other settings make a huge difference.
I do, I also notice, that you rotate the camera at a insane rate, making me dizzy...
Your example is an extreme example, almost no one plays the game like this.
Not that they don't need to fix it, they do.
This article pushed me over to get the PS4, version btw.
GoonerTRON
Banned
Probably better dev tools. Or different studios sharing dev tips for the platform. PS4 has the most power so it was obviously a dev problem.
I find petty arguments about the disparity between console/PC to be pointless, I mean items obvious better tech = better results, but there's no way the ps4 "holds up quite well" to ultra settings.
It looks nice on ps4 when we consider the quality of the tech involved, but it pales significantly to the PC version. This is before you consider the PC can run at significantly higher frame rates and resolutions.
Wow horrendous now.
flipswitch
Member
This is a huge difference imo. The added shadows really add to the scene, in comparison the ps4 looks weird, the trees in the background don't look right or nice. Even the lighting looks like it's on a whole nother level.
And for the record I own it on ps4.
alexandros
Banned
Nice! And yeah, options are great. Judging from some posts in the previous Witcher 3 DF thread it seems quite a few people would agree. I saw people saying that 900p with better quality and framerate would have been preferable to 1080p. Obviously others will disagree, which is why it's nice to have options
Also, kudos to Digital Foundry for another great face-off article. Their PC coverage has improved by leaps and bounds to the point where they test multiple hardware configurations, multiple quality presets and even overclocked setups. I especially like the fact that they use real-world PC builds to judge real-world performance instead of only pairing monster CPUs with various cards. Impressive work, well done DF crew!
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Lockjaw333
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I cringe every time I see a new DF face-off article thread and this thread is no exception. While I understand what DF is doing with these articles I always feel like people take the information and use it the wrong way. It always devolves into people flinging crap at each other over their console of choice or PC mustard race talk.
It looks outstanding to me on PC at 1080p and mostly Ultra settings, and from what I've seen the console versions are not that far off. For the hardware in each box I think CDPR did a fantastic job.
Its like people who have the game on PS4 or X1 will say how beautiful it is for the first week, then once the DF face off drops everyone is saying how ugly a game is on console. Same routine every time. And most of it is differences people wouldn't even notice without being told.
These articles are fine to help those who own both consoles decide on which version to purchase, but otherwise just play the game...sheesh.
It looks outstanding to me on PC at 1080p and mostly Ultra settings, and from what I've seen the console versions are not that far off. For the hardware in each box I think CDPR did a fantastic job.
Its like people who have the game on PS4 or X1 will say how beautiful it is for the first week, then once the DF face off drops everyone is saying how ugly a game is on console. Same routine every time. And most of it is differences people wouldn't even notice without being told.
These articles are fine to help those who own both consoles decide on which version to purchase, but otherwise just play the game...sheesh.
If you consider the difference in the hrdware specs ps4 holds up quite well indeed. Fps indeed sometimes it's really disappointing.
I haven't been reading or posting in any of the witcher threads so I don't know what the deal is with the 'downgrade' or anything.
I'm playing on ps4 and seems like quite a mixed bag to me. There are times when it looks spectacular, particularly at dawn and dusk, but when you're out in the open the draw distance and low LOD in the distance looks pretty bad I think.
I'm playing on ps4 and seems like quite a mixed bag to me. There are times when it looks spectacular, particularly at dawn and dusk, but when you're out in the open the draw distance and low LOD in the distance looks pretty bad I think.
Oh, come on now.
"If you consider".
Yes it's relative to the tech, that's obvious. It doesn't change the fact the end result difference is large so saying thing like "ps4 holds up to pc ultra" or "the difference between ps4 and PC isn't that large" is just dishonest.
GoonerTRON
Banned
Forza Horizon 2 is LOCKED and Second Son IIRC.
"Holds up quite well" is the new "1080p is only a slightly higher resolution than 720p." Whatever helps, I guess.
It's not all great in PC Land, though. I cranked up the settings and locked the framerate to 30 but the stuttering made it almost unplayable. Not a big deal for me since I'd rather play at 60, but it ain't perfect.
It's not all great in PC Land, though. I cranked up the settings and locked the framerate to 30 but the stuttering made it almost unplayable. Not a big deal for me since I'd rather play at 60, but it ain't perfect.
Lockjaw333
Member
Considering the hardware in each box, I think they did a good job of trying to match a lot of the high/ultra settings on PC. Compromises were made in spots, but in comparison footage between PS4 and PC I wouldn't say the difference is huge.
I don't know how to respond to this. My eyes must work differently to yours, I guess.
Alkastelca
Member
What ? This is turning camera at the half speed.
Even when not touching the camera and just riding the horse you get stutters since camera is automatically adjusting.
And from other videos I can see the same going on in PC version. There is something fundamentally broken with camera movement.
dragonelite
Member
So consoles have shadowgate?
Frame pacing is solid if you are using Riva tuner server (comes with MSI afterburner) to lock the frame rate. I locked mine at 40 FPS, and it feels super smooth in borderless window mode.
It's dishonest consider ps4 hold up well compared the ultra setting on pc with the difference in the specs? Wat
