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[Raist]

Doesn't 192GB/s >176GB/s

It also refutes the claim that MS has downclocked.

It's Microsoft maths. It doesn't make sense to add the BW for the main RAM and the eSRAM to compare it to the PS4's main RAM.

 

[statham]

Great news.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

It's Microsoft maths. It doesn't make sense to add the BW for the main RAM and the eSRAM to compare it to the PS4's main RAM.

If this info is coming from MSFT then there's definitely fluffing.

 

[RoboPlato]

So Xbox One was designed for bigger worlds and PS4 for better looking worlds. 3rd parties will still make it the same for both, though.

Not really. The PS4's bandwidth is more conducive to bigger worlds with more varied detail. They've done a lot to make up for the latency of GDDR5. It's a non issue. PS4 may also have an extra CPU core open to games, not confirmed yet.

 

[Sid]

So Xbox One was designed for bigger worlds and PS4 for better looking worlds. 3rd parties will still make it the same for both, though.

What? the PS4 is more powerful than the Bone,so it'll have bigger and better looking 'worlds'.

 

[onQ123]

That's a huge jump, good news if true. Better performance across systems is good for everyone.

Not that big of a jump because before their theoretical peak bandwidth was 170GB/s

 

[coldfoot]

Dear God, Dick's love affair with Xbox is sickening. He should just stick to the facts and avoid doing any commentary. A jump from 102 to 133 that's only effective if you're reading and writing to different addresses in memory is not a 88% increase LOL. Just like we saw with the PS3, these non-traditional performance advantages will only be utilized by first party devs.

 

[twobear]

It's Microsoft maths. It doesn't make sense to add the BW for the main RAM and the eSRAM to compare it to the PS4's main RAM.

That's not what they're doing, according to the article. They're saying that the BW to the eDRAM is actually higher than they thought it was. This isn't adding the main RAM bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth.

 

[OverHeat]

We've been hearing about yield issues from reliable sources for months and suddenly MS is not only saying that's not true, but that they're getting even high quality yields than previously stated?

Oh yeah, this is from Microsoft.

Think of what would happen if dev targeted their game to the new speed and it was not true.....MS would not lie to dev about something like this. Think of that for a second.

 

[8bits]

The information about the performance improvement is coming from Microsoft. Keep that in mind.

And the PS4 numbers came from Sony. Keep that in mind.

 

[spyshagg]

Doesn't 192GB/s >176GB/s

It also refutes the claim that MS has downclocked.

192gb/s to a small 32mb memory. PS4 does 176GB/s to 8Gigabytes of memory.


so no.

 

[Windom Earle]

So basically the so called power gap is even smaller. heck i thought the xbox cpu was at 1.2 but it is at 1.6. So basically multiplats will look the same and run smoothly on both systems it will take the exclusives to show a difference if there is one.

So Xbox One was designed for bigger worlds and PS4 for better looking worlds. 3rd parties will still make it the same for both, though.

lol wut?

 

[dragonelite]

So which is it?

ooh shit nvm what was i thinking

 

[maabus1999]

Think of what would happen if dev targeted their game to the new speed and it was not true.....MS would not lie to dev about something like this. Think of that for a second.

Bah. Stop popping the conspiracy theory balloon! It is fun to watch.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

So Xbox One was designed for bigger worlds and PS4 for better looking worlds. 3rd parties will still make it the same for both, though.

No, the PS4 is just flat out a better gaming machine than the Xbone in almost every single regard.

 

[plagiarize]

Doesn't 192GB/s >176GB/s

It also refutes the claim that MS has downclocked.

theoretical maximums are rarely hit.

but the latter part is good news.

 

[iamvin22]

I call BS. Since when can you take the bandwidths from two different memory pools and just add them together to get the magical bandwidth?

 

[Kinyou]

Great news if true

 

[RoboPlato]

Doesn't 192GB/s >176GB/s

It also refutes the claim that MS has downclocked.

It's 8GB at 176Gb/s versus 32MB at a theoretical 192Gb/s, mostly 133

 

[Interfectum]

So Xbox One was designed for bigger worlds and PS4 for better looking worlds. 3rd parties will still make it the same for both, though.

Hahahaha this is going to be a long generation isn't it?

 

[link1201]

I call BS. Hell, they even throw in another number in the same article:

They describe this number as a real life expectation versus the higher theoretical number.

 

[USC-fan]

Still not over the 200GB/s

its like a 22GB/s bump nice but not that big..you are still held back because it like a small cache.

If sony went this route they had test systems with 1TB/s with edram.....

 

[too much eslim]

If this info is coming from MSFT then there's definitely fluffing.

So why is it fluff with MS, but not fluff with Sony?

 

[statham]

133 + 69 = 192

They adding dem bandwidths.

but that equals 202?

 

[qa_engineer]

It's been clarified on Beyond3D (and within the article iteself). Theoretical peak BW to eSRAM has increased. That is all.

 

[strata8]

It's Microsoft maths. It doesn't make sense to add the BW for the main RAM and the eSRAM to compare it to the PS4's main RAM.

If it's used as a cache, both Intel and Anand disagree with you.

"Intel claims that it would take a 100 - 130GB/s GDDR memory interface to deliver similar effective performance to Crystalwell since the latter is a cache. Accessing the same data (e.g. texture reads) over and over again is greatly benefitted by having a large L4 cache on package."

Intel's Crystalwell uses 25.6GB/s main memory and 100GB/s eDRAM.

"If it’s used as a cache, the embedded SRAM should significantly cut down on GPU memory bandwidth requests which will give the GPU much more bandwidth than the 256-bit DDR3-2133 memory interface would otherwise imply. Depending on how the eSRAM is managed, it’s very possible that the Xbox One could have comparable effective memory bandwidth to the PlayStation 4. If the eSRAM isn’t managed as a cache however, this all gets much more complicated."

But as Anand also said, that might not be the case.

 

[Monty Mole]

We've been hearing about yield issues from reliable sources for months and suddenly MS is not only saying that's not true, but that they're getting even high quality yields than previously stated?

Oh yeah, this is from Microsoft.

This isn't some marketing press release, this is info they've provided to developers to enable them to target the hardware correctly. Lying about this to developers would actually work against them, with a bunch of launch titles with shoddy framerates and slowdown.

 

[KimonoNoNo]

We'll see when it all shakes out, but this smells of creative messaging.

 

[PdotMichael]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-memory-better-in-production-hardware

Now that close-to-final silicon is available, Microsoft has revised its own figures upwards significantly, telling developers that 192GB/s is now theoretically possible.

What does it even mean?

 

[dragonelite]

but that equals 202?

Dam too late with my edit... :'(

 

[CorrisD]

So basically the so called power gap is even smaller. heck i thought the xbox cpu was at 1.2 but it is at 1.6. So basically multiplats will look the same and run smoothly on both systems it will take the exclusives to show a difference if there is one.

Are you sure you aren't confusing numbers for different things?

The Xbox One CPU was always 1.6Ghz, the difference in power between it and the PS4 comes from the GPU, the Xbox One supposedly being 1.2 teraflops while the PS4 is at 1.8, the bandwidth isn't really going to make up 0.6 tf out of thin air at this point.

 

[maabus1999]

It's 8GB at 176Gb/s versus 32MB at a theoretical 192Gb/s, mostly 133

176 is also theoretical. Just how specs are advertised.

 

[ekim]

but that equals 202?

Bingo - they are not adding things. I read it as : theoretical throughput is 192 GB/s for the ESRAM

 

[IHaveCandy]

Is the HDD read speed ~23 GB/s? That would make sense if they're just adding that to the bandwidth speed.

 

[Raist]

That's not what they're doing, according to the article. They're saying that the BW to the eDRAM is actually higher than they thought it was. This isn't adding the main RAM bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth.

Right. Still saying "it's got more bandwidth than the PS4 now" is a bit silly when it's for the eSRAM only.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

So why is it fluff with MS, but not fluff with Sony?

2 different pools of memory do not produce constant 192GB/s. 1 pool of unified 176GB/s without an added step (eDRAM). It was posted earlier by another. I don't think I have to outline why the "theoretical" number is a bit misleading when talking about overall performance.

but that equals 202?

LOL math up in here. Looks like he edited.

 

[x3sphere]

look. Stop trying to downplay this people. It only benefits both consoles if the gap in power is closer.


That said, a more complicated setup :- Only first party will take advantage. That is undeniable.

It is a good thing if the gap is closer, definitely. On your other point, I disagree, many third party titles still led development on PS3 even though it was the more difficult platform to deal with - and here we are not talking PS3 levels of complexity.

 

[Madness]

Someone needs to explain this better for non-pc folk. Does this mean that theoretically XbOne is more capable than the ps4 then?

 

[derFeef]

We'll see when it all shakes out, but this smells of creative messaging.

Yay we are telling devs we can hit higher bandwidths as a lie so the games will run worse on launch, yay.

edit: Where is Durante

 

[phanboy4]

90% of games will look the same on both. Stop dreaming.

I'd say 98% but yeah.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

This + the infinite power of the cloud is going to be amazing.

 

[8bits]

This isn't some marketing press release, this is info they've provided to developers to enable them to target the hardware correctly. Lying about this to developers would actually work against them, with a bunch of launch titles with shoddy framerates and slowdown.

Yes, but every PS4 zealot here is sooo much more intelligent and knowledgeable about the Xbox One than Microsoft is. They clearly know the exact set up of the ram and system specifications, therefore "M$'s maths be sooo wrong lolz".

 

[The Faceless Master]

hope it's true. the industry needs competition.

 

[twobear]

Right. Still saying "it's got more bandwidth than the PS4 now" is a bit silly when it's for the eSRAM only.

Well sure, but more bandwidth can surely only be good.

 

[dragonelite]

Is the HDD read speed ~23 GB/s? That would make sense if they're just adding that to the bandwidth speed.

hell no be glad if you could get like 20mb/s from a hdd but rumor has it next gen console are going to use hdd with a flash cache. An ssd and disk hybrid so to speak.

Someone needs to explain this better for non-pc folk. Does this mean that theoretically XbOne is more capable than the ps4 then?

It can compete better with the ps4 on paper now.
But like this gen showed paper specs aren't everything and we need like 2~4 years of real world performance.
Inbe4 microsoft moneyhatting devs or lazy devs when games wont show the 50% paper specs.

 

[phanboy4]

Someone needs to explain this better for non-pc folk. Does this mean that theoretically XbOne is more capable than the ps4 then?

Nah, still means slightly different but more or less the same in practice. Parity is what both console mfgs want. Makes it easier for cross platform devs, which is most console devs. These days, being more powerful than your competitor is not nearly as important as not being less powerful than your competitor, from a business standpoint.

 

[ekim]

Someone needs to explain this better for non-pc folk. Does this mean that theoretically XbOne is more capable than the ps4 then?

No - PS4 has still the superior GPU specs.

 

[amstradcpc]

Yes, but every PS4 zealot here is sooo much more intelligent and knowledgeable about the Xbox One than Microsoft is. They clearly know the exact set up of the ram and system specifications, therefore "M$'s maths be sooo wrong lolz".

By this article MS engineers are dumb.Maybe they have more surprises and find more CUs than 12 from production...

 

[too much eslim]

Are you sure you aren't confusing numbers for different things?

The Xbox One CPU was always 1.6Ghz, the difference in power between it and the PS4 comes from the GPU, the Xbox One supposedly being 1.2 teraflops while the PS4 is at 1.8, the bandwidth isn't really going to make up 0.6 tf out of thin air at this point.

oh guess I am then. thanks for the correction.

 

[Ultrabum]

Yay we are telling devs we can hit higher bandwidths as a lie so the games will run worse on launch, yay.

edit: Where is Durante

Durante, save me with accurate tech information! Seriously, he's the only one I trust on this kind of thing.