RedNumberFive
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GTFO. I can't trust a 10/10 from journalists coming from a paid review event?
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F*ck Konami: MGSV FOBs beyond the first must be bought via macrotransactions
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GTFO. I can't trust a 10/10 from journalists coming from a paid review event?
Grinding won't impact my enjoyment of the story, so I don't really care.
MajinSweet4
Member
It's cool. Things do get heated in these types of conversations. (And they really shouldn't, but oh well)
Ryouji Gunblade
Member
Just as I hated the Reach credit cap and Destiny marks cap, looks like I'll have another cap to battle.
Gentleman Jack
Member
Because if anybody can be trusted to not spin news of microtransactions, its Konami's official PR mouthpiece, right?
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
Wish there was something more substantial i could buy tho, like better guns and armor or a health boost or something
SirNinja
Member
Not strange at all, and it isn't picking and choosing. A review of any game should be a review of the developer's work, not the publisher's attempts to sabotage or dilute it. As an example, the microtransactions in Assassin's Creed Unity PC didn't affect my enjoyment of the game. (The bugs and poor optimization, however, did, and that's what should count against a game in its reviews.) The bullshit microtransactions were obviously something Ubisoft tried to shoehorn in, but as long as it doesn't affect the game itself, it's not a problem. I can just ignore them and shake my head at Ubisoft for putting them there in the first place.
No, no it's not valueless. That's money that Konami doesn't get. Whether a message gets taken or not. I'd rather not reward Konami for shitty behavior, hence I'm not buying this game, and I'd encourage others to do likewise.
CosmicQueso
Member
I guess we have different perspectives on this. I think you're looking at the word "quality" more in terms of evaluating a work of art, while I'm looking at it more as an evaluation of a product put up for sale?
Mr. Luchador
Member
Played for five hours, and so far I can't say I've noticed anything impacting negatively on the game. Of course, it's only five hours.
RichiRamjag
Member
Game still has a lot of value minus the transactions. Hasn't affected my play at all and I'm still having a blast. One of the best games I've played. I know that may sound a bit hyperbolic, but I've always wanted a good stealth game that doesn't force you to play that way should you mess up. Being metal gear and open world is just icing on the cake. I'm gonna show konami I don't want microtransactions by simply not buying them.
The sad part about all of this is that it probably won't even matter. Someone, somewhere are purchasing microtransactions and showing companies that it's viable.
To me the problem with omitting this system from reviews - potential customers aren't fully informed about everything the game has to offer. Personally when I read a review I'd like it to overview all the features of a game - if it's missing components of the game in question because that's what the reviewer was given by the studio/publisher/review event than I will take those reviews with a grain of salt. Such practices can certainly effect my enjoyment of a game - that's not a given but I would not purchase a game based on early reviews. Going to have to wait and see what the reaction is in a week when more trusted review sources have chimed in. This type of tacked on systems are things I don't tolerate especially when the company goes out of its way to misinform customers before the release. Perhaps I might have been a bit more tolerant if they came out and said straight up we want to hunt for whales but they didn't and that's deplorable
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
I think game development is way out of control and that video games are getting too complex, so i am buying copies to reward konami's smart business decision of keeping that hack Kojima in check.
Pathfinder
Member
From a player's perspective, this is absolute bullshit.
From a business perspective, it's probably smart for them to bleed dry the last cash cow they'll ever have.
From a business perspective, it's probably smart for them to bleed dry the last cash cow they'll ever have.
So glad I don't buy games day 1 or even month 1. And even in the ultra-rare occasion that I do, I know beforehand that it doesn't feature this nonsense or other scummy aspects.
It comes with a free "experience".
This tweet cracks me up. That PR speak.
It comes with a free "experience".
This tweet cracks me up. That PR speak.
aren't they the same one who said the PS4 limited edition was the old model? they cannot be trusted in any way..
Plague Doctor
Member
That my disconnect with people wanting to excuse the omission of the FOB/MB Coin bits from a final and total published review. I don't think this really is a matter of debate but reviews (in a published context) is the entire package of said game and not only specific or general elements. I mean if other games had their less than stellar features (no matter how impactful it is) ignored in favor of their strengths, that would change the review number or final recommendation - wouldn't it? We may have more perfect scores.
"So 7/8th of this game is amazing and the remaining 1/8th you may not see and we weren't privy to when we played it - no clue how that is. But yeah, 7/8th, amazing!"
Edit: Btw, published reviews and scores are only as meaningful as you feel they are. 10/10 could be crap to you personally and a 6/10 may be your GOTY. But, a review should be based on the entire game and experience at launch that the customer will play.
SirNinja
Member
I'm actually somewhere between those two perspectives. While I dislike that there are microtransactions in the game, I believe that it should dock points from Konami's reputation, rather than the game's review score. Give credit, and criticism, where it's due. Scoring down TPP for the microtransactions is a lose-lose scenario that misses the root of the problem; it just ends up making Kojima look bad, and it gives Konami all the more vindication for making whatever horrible MGS game they end up excreting after this one.
Pathfinder
Member
If you put it like that, at least Kojima's name isn't on the box anymore...
Games are always a compromise. Maybe it was Kojima's vision to have unicorns prancing around in the player's living room shooting rainbows out of their arse, but Konami said can't do it too expensive, those cunts. If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas. You need to review the end product, which is a mix of designer wishes, programmer constraints and publisher patience. And who knows how much was Kojima's idea. For all we know he did want all the timer based development layers.
uomoartificiale
Member
Because microtransactions are between you and that part of the game. You can have one fob for free, then it's 20 bucks a piece thank you very much.
In fact it's NOT like "any part of a game you pay for". You usually have the whole thing paying the initial price of admission, or at least that's how it was some time ago. Here you must pay to have another bite.
GAF overreact about something? No way!
Oh goody I love arbitrarily grinding to get something that the game is designed to have you get immediately if you fork over cash. That's fun.
Gentleman Jack
Member
A while = several months to a year of jumping through f2p hoops and a login grind. Doesn't feel very optional when its very existence is designed to test your patience and willpower in a full price AAA video game.
lazybones18
Banned
Don't know when the US Store got updated, but they have the add-ons listed. PS3 has five add-on options, while PS4 only has four
Lowest is $0.99 for 100 MB coins
Highest is $49.99 for 6000 MB coins
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en...es:platform~ps4,ps3:game_content_type~addons|
Lowest is $0.99 for 100 MB coins
Highest is $49.99 for 6000 MB coins
https://store.playstation.com/#!/en...es:platform~ps4,ps3:game_content_type~addons|
autoduelist
Member
To be fair, though, lots of games have 'unlocks' you can buy (weapon unlocks, car unlocks, etc) for those who don't want to 'grind' them out via playing the game.
I hate microtransactions, so I'm not fond of these, but for all we know the game is balanced to only have 1 of these bases and the excess bases actually hurt the game... until enough people have played we have no real idea how 'bad' this situation is. If the lack of buying one creates significant grind gates like some IOS IAP game, then yeah, that's a problem... but if having extras bases actually makes the game too easy... then only giving one out for free isn't the worst thing in the world.
That is, it's all about how they balanced the game... and we don't have that answer yet from what I can tell.
Pretty great, as is the OT apparently! Thanks for asking.
Yeah the game's still GOOD. I haven't heard any counts of this effecting singleplayer story progression so I'm fine. Grinding goofy side ops stuff for side content doesn't bug me. (Does the extra bases just allow you to research multiple base upgrades at once? That seems useless)
If this is true, then this point needs to be more visible to everyone. I think currently everyone is in a hubbub because they think that they're locked out of being able to acquire additional FOBs - that it will require actual money to do so.
If the case is that those additional FOBS are acquirable through standard gameplay (by earning MB coins in game without paying for them), then all people are complaining about it the length of time it will take to eventually be able to purchase the additional FOBs through the MB points you gather in-game.Then it's the same thing as EA with the Battlefield "unlock" packs - that's a much more acceptable scenario than the one being pitch-forked right now.
Metal Khaos
Member
Yeah, shame Konami won't respond to me on Twitter. Cuz seriously, #FuckKonami."
I kind of wonder though if this was forced onto Kojima and co or if this was always in the plans.
And I couldn't care less.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-daily-mother-base-coins-bonus-/1100-6430242/
TAH DAH! Thread closed
RevengeOfDoh
Banned
I know absolutely nothing about Battlefield packs. Does it also take someone 19-22 days of daily grinding to get one?
And I couldn't care less.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-daily-mother-base-coins-bonus-/1100-6430242/
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Exploratory
Banned
And I couldn't care less.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-daily-mother-base-coins-bonus-/1100-6430242/
TAH DAH! Thread closed
Maybe we should all stop fucking overreacting over and over and over.
No, they're weapon/vehicle/loadout unlock packs which you can buy to unlock everything at once, instead of just playing through the game to unlock them individually through MP progression. They're purchasable shortcuts to unlocking everything, if you feel that you don't want to wait. I think the same applies to MB points in MGSV.
MissCauthon
Member
I noticed that they lowered prices.
Yes but also...
"These coins can also be earned through gameplay. Information supplied by Konami in-game states that "you will start receiving rewards after proceeding to a certain point in the game.""
And I couldn't care less.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/metal-gear-solid-5s-daily-mother-base-coins-bonus-/1100-6430242/
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It's certainly lovely that I need to login into the game several weeks in a row to have access to a damn base.
NullPointer
Member
Whats changed?
The free-to-play-esque daily login bonuses have already been brought up several times in this thread.
How far do you expect to get with those 15 to 35 coins?
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Vote with your wallets!
I feel like I'm the only one not buying MGS5, and it's not for any of these reasons.
Everyone still buys MGS5
I feel like I'm the only one not buying MGS5, and it's not for any of these reasons.
Gentleman Jack
Member
I'm reading Konami's statement to mean 'you can't earn daily rewards until you're past Episode XX.' Not sure where Gamespot is getting that you can earn MB coins by simply playing through the game.
immortal-joe
Member
LoL, bet you there will be a new thread about this when I wake up tomorrow. Still, that does sound a little promising at least.
Exploratory
Banned
There will apparently be challenges as well. And it looks like the prices were lowered.
NullPointer
Member
These are the prices in coins for building a second FOB according to Kotaku's article on it yesterday:
Just so we have some perspective on those daily rewards.