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FFXV Hands-On Impressions
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Dark_castle
Junior Member
Relax I was just kidding. I fully respect Ishida because I think it's admirable to be so passionate about something that you would defend near everything about it. And he and I are both huge Chrono Cross/ DB GT fans, so we cool. 
This is not true. Versus XIII was a solo project that Nomura wanted to pursue, the pitch being a darker more serious game based on Kingdom Hearts gameplay. He was given the green light. Nojima and Nomura penned a new internal bible that detailed a new vision for the FF crystal mythos. At this time FFXIII was a PS2 game and had nothing to do with FNC. When the XIII team whom lacked any strong vision was told their project would move onto the PS3 they decided to take a look at the FNC bible. As more internal teams took note of what Nomura and Nojima where doing the marketing team working on FNC floated the idea of a connected mythos. That's when Nomura's project was named Versus XIII. It's also why early on it was heavily reiterated on that all the FNC games did not take place in the same universe, but where completely separate universes that shared the same cosmic governing forces. So in one sense Versus XIII was the original game that this mythos was for, but FNC was the extended branding was formed.
All of the FNC mythos was supposed to surround FF13, Versus 13 and Agito at the time of the announcement of the 3 games. Everything else that may have happend before that is speculation and irrelevant to the fact that these games as we know them were intended as FNC games.
NoctisVsStar
Member
Relax I was just kidding. I fully respect Ishida because I think it's admirable to be so passionate about something that you would defend near everything about it. And he and I are both huge Chrono Cross/ DB GT fans, so we cool.
Don't forget mgs4 ;p
encephalon
Member
If you are going to make some claims about ps2 era FNC claims, you are going to need to back it up. At least from 2006 on, Versus was DEFINITELY part of the FNC.
Yeah, from 2006 on it certainly was. Earlier on though the "fnc bible" was part of Nomura's independent project whilst XIII was completely separate. Nojima started work on his mythos as early as 2002 with Nomura working closesly with him. The reason it was expanded is because XIII lacked a narrative vision early on. Everything we saw though was post FNC era work. What we know about the PS2 era stuff comes from translated interviews with Nomura and others. I've tracked them down in the past, but I've done it a half a dozen times for people in the past.
encephalon
Member
Well, did you save those links?
Relax I was just kidding. I fully respect Ishida because I think it's admirable to be so passionate about something that you would defend near everything about it. And he and I are both huge Chrono Cross/ DB GT fans, so we cool.
GT? Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww
I can't stomach Super but I got through GT. GT had the best OP in the entire series. It only got shit after the whole Baby mess, but it started strong.
Mostly no. A lot of it was very early scans and translated interviews from 2006-09. Many links are dead. Some of it is briefly talked about in FFXIII Scenario Ultimania.
Better than the nonsense that is super. "Oh yeah let's just change the color of super saiyan and add some god whatever, and golden freeza, and EVIL GOKU! how creative!"
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Still better than GT.
Back on topic, neat right up.
It's been a trend for many previous previews criticizing the graphics. While they aren't nearly as good as promised, I think they suffice. Hopefully NEO will deliver a better looking game, guess it's time to save for a NEO. More importantly consistent performance from a potential patch.
I'm definitely gonna play this on PS4 but I'd also double dip if I had a gaming computer.
Relax I was just kidding. I fully respect Ishida because I think it's admirable to be so passionate about something that you would defend near everything about it. And he and I are both huge Chrono Cross/ DB GT fans, so we cool.
Nah. Not when he has to resort to lying.
Permanently A
Junior Member
Thanks for the write up! I'm not too worried about the graphics issues -- according to the first leak they've only just started porting it to consoles a few months back. 3 more months of development time could improve the situation greatly. Of course their priority will be fixing major bugs, but that doesn't mean they can't have a graphics optimization team working concurrently.
This is what I feared. The English translators took a lot of liberties with the script and seem to have been allowed to remove parts of it. This is likely why some of the Japanese banter isn't subtitled -- it isn't translated in the first place. The problem extends to cutscenes as well where whole lines are removed in the English translation and thus won't show up in subtitles. The script doesn't flow well at all and doesn't even match what's happening on screen at times (e.g. the reaction to finding out aboutfrom a newspaper is only lame because it's not even mentioned in the original Japanese script). Things aren't looking too well for people who want to play this game in English, regardless of whether they're playing the dubbed or the subbed version.the king's death
aw, what the fuck man
I need to hurry up and learn moonrunes
CrimsonSquall
Member
Spoiler question for anyone in the know related toOr it could be heterochromia like Yuna
KingsGlaive
I've seen comments that Ravus is actually blind. Is this true? Simple yes or no will do
AtomskEater
Member
Still excited for the game, but it's no longer a priority. I'm thinking I should just wait it out for a PC port, since I heard whispers of that happening at some point.
Seriously! I resume studying... first thing tomorrow morning.
Seriously! I resume studying... first thing tomorrow morning.
Disgusting I know
. I remember being exited to watch it once before the inevitable disappointment.LouisaFerre
Member
Thanks for the write up! I'm not too worried about the graphics issues -- according to the first leak they've only just started porting it to consoles a few months back. 3 more months of development time could improve the situation greatly. Of course their priority will be fixing major bugs, but that doesn't mean they can't have a graphics optimization team working concurrently.
This is what I feared. The English translators took a lot of liberties with the script and seem to have been allowed to remove parts of it. This is likely why some of the Japanese banter isn't subtitled -- it isn't translated in the first place. The problem extends to cutscenes as well where whole lines are removed in the English translation and thus won't show up in subtitles. The script doesn't flow well at all and doesn't even match what's happening on screen at times (e.g. the reaction to finding out aboutfrom a newspaper is only lame because it's not even mentioned in the original Japanese script). Things aren't looking too well for people who want to play this game in English, regardless of whether they're playing the dubbed or the subbed version.the king's death
Literally what the fuck is that.
Untranslated banter would have been bad enough, jesus christ.
The person you namedropped hadn't even posted in the thread you namedropped in. This is the second time I'm telling you this.
If you think a nudge about what not to do is 'getting called out' maybe you're posting on the wrong forums.
edit: In contrast, this post *is* you getting called out.
@Nova_Crystallis
How Noctis looks in CGI, PS1 model and in pixel art format (official). By Yusuke Naora. #FFXV #FF15
@Nova_Crystallis
How Noctis looks in CGI, PS1 model and in pixel art format (official). By Yusuke Naora. #FFXV #FF15
Now I want to see the party scene in pixel form.
edit: now i'm depressed again.
freakin' newspaper
Dark_castle
Junior Member
PSY・S;214808394 said:
From OP's impression. It's really quite bizarre if it's true that Insomnia were that close to where Lestallum (I assume that's where the newspaper scene took place?) was. Don't tell me something as major as the news of an invasion of a fucking nation didn't travel quickly around the neighbourhood to where the current party were? They have to wait until the newspaper writers report them, which means it's not an immediate report at that. Them finding this out through a live broadcast news on TV would have made way more sense if Insomnia is actually quite distant away from Lestallum.
Really, this whole newspaper reveal is unbelievable. I can't believe we traded a potentially exciting escape sequence out of Insomnia for a cutscene of the party finding out the invasion in the most passive, uninspiring way.
There's a dengeki ffxv event on Aug 28. The ATR is on this day too. And Shuhei Yoshida is also on this list apparently.
https://twitter.com/RedMakuzawa/status/768297555188822016
https://twitter.com/RedMakuzawa/status/768297555188822016
artsi
Member
There's a dengeki ffxv event on Aug 28. The ATR is on this day too. And Shuhei Yoshida is also on this list apparently.
https://twitter.com/RedMakuzawa/status/768297555188822016
If Sony's involved here I'm just more sure that a Neo version (improved graphics, not just a "Neo compatible patch") is incoming
At least announce it September 7th, pls.
PSY・S;214808658 said:
Well you know, when you're given a bunch of disjointed cinematics, ideas and images and told to make a video game out of it, things like that happen. We can only guess how much of a game Versus was, but probably not much.
Then you think about how they wanted Versus to be a series of multiple games before they shipped even one.
The whole project is a laughing matter.
rayman1900
Member
Yep, that's depressing, but at least we get Kingsglaive, which seems to be the least tolerable compromise, imo.
I didn't watch Kingsglaive, so maybe I'm underestimating how obvious it was to the public, but even though Regis was expecting the invasion, wasn't Niflheim invited into Lucis on official business, and only attacked once already inside? It's not like they declared war and marched all the way to Insomnia, it was a sucker punch, at least on the public's eyes. Regis knew it would happen, but officially they were there to sign a peace treaty. So it makes sense that news would start to go around only when shit was going down already.
The TGS 2014 trailer even starts with them listening to the radio and reports of the peace negotiations still ongoing. Of course, that might not even be a part of the game anymore.
Are you alergic to people who disagree with you? What's the point of even going into an impressions thread if you won't read it unless it matches your preconceptions?
Or a special bonus boss you fight on the city streets of Insomnia. And then you kill her once and for all.
Final Fantasy documentary airing on French TV:
@Nova_Crystallis
@Nova_Crystallis
52 minute Final Fantasy documentary airing this Saturday on @D8TV. It will contain some FFXV content too.
EDIT:
You could make an entire doc on XV along honestly. I'd actually be very interested in seeing that too.
There's a dengeki ffxv event on Aug 28. The ATR is on this day too. And Shuhei Yoshida is also on this list apparently.
https://twitter.com/RedMakuzawa/status/768297555188822016
PS4 Bundle announcement incoming
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I've said it before, but how annoying that PS3 and PS4 were actually sold on the back of this game..... And now you need a Neo for it not to look like crap.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Yes, I'm aware that it was a sucker punch, secret betrayal type of invasion, but you're telling me it takes them that long to figure out about this that their first instance of knowing comes from a newspaper, which reports event that happened on the previous day, not the same day. Like what the hell? So someone bothered to report the invasion to newspaper agency, as they slowly put them on print, but meanwhile something like a TV or radio station couldn't pick up the news and provide much more immediate report of the invasion? Better yet, how the fuck does nobody in the cast have any insiders who could call them and let them know about the incident?
ethomaz
Banned
I don't think so... they will be announced at Neo/Slim event.
There is no way to show a bundle before the announce of the consoles.
SomedayTheFire
Member
horrible post.
It's not like there's other great games to buy those consoles for, or anything....
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That's irrelevant if Final Fantasy is the primary reason you bought the console.
It's not a stretch to say these consoles were sold to many on the back of this game. It appeared at E3 2006 and then E3 2013, which were the big pitches for PS3 and PS4 respectively. I did grab a PS4 knowing I'd be ready for FFXV, and now the sentiment is that it's also going to be used to sell a Neo.
Well fine, capitalism and it's false promises. Buyer beware.. Just don't try and tell me "its all good", because it's not.
Whompa02
Member
PSY・S;214808658 said:
Watching Kingsglaive I can understand why some of this was deleted already.
Hell even that scene during an early trailer of Versus, where the 4 guys were driving hastily, got retranslated into Kingsglaive into a totally new scene as well.
Most of Versus was repurposed into Kingsglaive already. FFXV is a totally new and different beast. What's left to see, is what content in the 2013 trailer translated into, for FFXV.
It very much depends on the context of the invasion. The media could have largely been shut down--we don't really know what went down shortly after things got fucked up. A good invasion would make sure to do that I would think? Control the message while you're taking over.
The newspaper thing is easily explained as, "Someone that was there is giving us an exclusive story and we're getting it out there before we also get shut down." Someone doesn't have to report things to a newspaper. They've traditionally been much harder to get rid of than a television or radio broadcast.
It's really hard to criticize narrative decisions before you really know/have the narrative in your hands.
More then anything? For a game built around story, I am beyond sick and tired of late teen angsty characters whining through convoluted plots.
The demo was not very engaging gameplay wise and some of the issues people continue to report about in these "hands on" make this feel like a game that is not worth 40+ hours when I still have a backlog of much more worthy games.