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[DonkeyPunchJr]

Concurrent users is not a different thing its just different binning of the exact same statistical data.

No, it not. Concurrent users = # of players playing simultaneously at any given time. Daily active users = as long as you fired up the game at least once during that calendar day then you’re included in the total. Those are two different things.

And what about sales happening during those days? What about the percentage that play and drop the game? What you're saying isn't true at all.

Yes for the third time, I understand that peak daily active users isn’t going to account for everyone. I’m saying that the # of users that doesn’t account for is probably small compared to the total.

 

[Chukhopops]

Mate, there is no reason to discuss. Folks like Oziel, Chukhopops, etc are all well known and diehard xbox warriors. They will twist and turn anything that is an exclusive, whether timed or otherwise, into being a failure because it isn't on their preferred plastic box.

I don't see why anyone takes Zhuge/Daniel seriously. The mental case was a big in Era for years and defended their cancerous/hate-filled ways.

That alone should indicate no one should ever take him seriously.

So all the sources are wrong or evil, and everyone who quotes them is just a warrior. Got it - you can live in your own reality for a little longer.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So all the sources are wrong or evil, and everyone who quotes them is just a warrior. Got it - you can live in your own reality for a little longer.

It has already been explained ad nauseum in this thread on why you are wrong, but keep living in your own reality where your favorite plastic box is the best and everyone else is awful. I am sure MS will finally notice your efforts eventually!

 

[Three]

No, it not. Concurrent users = # of players playing simultaneously at any given time. Daily active users = as long as you fired up the game at least once during that calendar day then you’re included in the total. Those are two different things.

Do you understand what data binning is?

Yes for the third time, I understand that peak daily active users isn’t going to account for everyone. I’m saying that the # of users that doesn’t account for is probably small compared to the total.

Based on what?

 

[Superkewl]

Sqaure need to stop doing demos it's always doing more harm than good to their games. I really think forspoken and rebirth would have done significantly better without the demo.

That may be the case, but are you really advocating for people to be duped out of their money?

 

[Danjin44]

Sqaure need to stop doing demos it's always doing more harm than good to their games. I really think forspoken and rebirth would have done significantly better without the demo.

Both Unicorn Overlord and Stellar Blade had highly successful demo. All depends the quality of the demo.

 

[RoadHazard]

Ppl liked 16 way more, FF7 rides on nostalgia and thats It, If u played the OG FF7 Remake is a good game, If not its just too cringe.

So true. I tried playing Remake, but it was literally too cringe to handle. I also found it annoying and boring in other ways, but the humongous levels of cringe was a big factor in me giving up on it after like three hours.

 

[Fabieter]

That may be the case, but are you really advocating for people to be duped out of their money?

You don't need to buy day one but maybe a non biased opinion in a context is important.

 

[Fabieter]

Both Unicorn Overlord and Stellar Blade had highly successful demo. All depends the quality of the demo.

That's true but I think it does alot of harm as well. I dont buy alot of games when I try the demo even if the games are good. I think it takes out some excitement as well.

 

[Danjin44]

That's true but I think it does alot of harm as well. I dont buy alot of games when I try the demo even if the games are good. I think it takes out some excitement as well.

For me if the demo is good it gets me even more excited for the game, I currently put 5 hours in to Stela Blade demo and I'm absolutely hyped for the full game.

In other hand when I played Forspoken's demo and I was turned off by both the story and gameplay.

 

[Hudo]

That's it, Nomura must commit sudoku now.

 

[Woopah]

I don't see why anyone takes Zhuge/Daniel seriously. The mental case was a big in Era for years and defended their cancerous/hate-filled ways.

That alone should indicate no one should ever take him seriously.

Daniel says the figures from the equities reports, which will be made with information from trackers like Circana, GSD and Media Create.

 

[Chukhopops]

It has already been explained ad nauseum in this thread on why you are wrong, but keep living in your own reality where your favorite plastic box is the best and everyone else is awful. I am sure MS will finally notice your efforts eventually!

Not sure why you constantly keep bringing console war into this. And you haven’t explained anything other than calling people names.

Anyway no need to argue any further. Let’s see when Square results come out…

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Your not lying. If you want a break from all the negativity go check out the thread where Bethesda finally fixed a 9 year old game.

All the PC/MS/Xbox guys are getting along in there.

LOL damn Fallout 4 is 9 years old?

 

[TGO]

The problem the game has is that its the 2nd part in a trilogy that want be complete until 2028 and possibly not even on this generation of consoles.
I can understand if someone would rather wait, even after playing the first part and maybe not finishing it.

 

[Crayon]

I'm just glad that they get them out in less than five or 6 years. Building on the previous game like this works. Spider man 2 too similar to 1? Well that's the tradeoff for getting game out in a timely way, or even made at all

 

[adamsapple]

That's it, Nomura must commit sudoku now.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

That may be the case, but are you really advocating for people to be duped out of their money?

You'd probably be surprised how many gamers want just that. They want all of us to blindly spend our money, and some want us to spend even more money on gaming.

 

[Fabieter]

For me if the demo is good it gets me even more excited for the game, I currently put 5 hours in to Stela Blade demo and I'm absolutely hyped for the full game.

In other hand when I played Forspoken's demo and I was turned off by both the story and gameplay.

Also didn't like the forspoken demo almost cancelled because of the demo but I sticked with it, no regrets. If iam not sure about a game or I don't wanna risk anything it's not gonna be a day 0 it's gonna be a week 2 buy. Demos ain't needed imo.

 

[Danjin44]

Also didn't like the forspoken demo almost cancelled because of the demo but I sticked with it, no regrets. If iam not sure about a game or I don't wanna risk anything it's not gonna be a day 0 it's gonna be a week 2 buy. Demos ain't needed imo.

Good demo bring the hype to the games that are less known, Unicorn Overlord became much more popular with good word of mouth thanks to that demo….same with Stellar Blade, it showed that the game is actually really good and its more than a simple game with attractive main character.

 

[hussar16]

I didn't but because it was not unreal engine 5.looked to similar to first

 

[ArtHands]

Again, this is a nonsensical position to take since he's long been cited here as a sales insider, has a public profile and is very often quoted and cited by traditional media as an individual in the know.



"We bullied him into turning off his comments because we couldn't handle the data. Hehe"

Fanboys will usually try to smear the reputation and discredit industry professionals...when the facts and datas they revealed are not align to what these fanboys want or like.

And these industry professionals know its a waste of time and energy engaging further with fanboys. If the fanboys want to treat such response as them being afraid, let them be.

 

[TheShocker]

Not Xbox, they have to release the first game first before it makes any sense to release the sequel.
PC on the other hand. Yeah it should’ve been there. Let’s just pray they’re clever enough to skip the EGS exclusivity this time lol

Well yeah, the series as a whole should be releasing simultaneously on PC/Xbox.

 

[Fredrik]

But this doesn't track.
You might think that only those who liked the first game, bought the 2nd one and of course 2nd game sells less than first one.

Then you look at witcher3. Franchise could just as well be indie in sales number compared to how witcher 3 exploded without ton of people never even playing 1 or 2

But this is the same game, split in multiple parts, and highly story focused. People are literally advised to finish Remake before even trying the demo of Rebirth. So it’s most definitely going to affect the sales numbers.

 

[drganon]

Fanboys will usually try to smear the reputation and discredit industry professionals...when the facts and datas they revealed are not align to what these fanboys want or like.

And these industry professionals know its a waste of time and energy engaging further with fanboys. If the fanboys want to treat such response as them being afraid, let them be.

 

[Bkdk]

They need to put tifs, aerith and yuffie’s swimsuit image on PlayStation store to replace their original selling cover image asap, or do a collab with shift up right now.

 

[Fredrik]

They need to put tifs, aerith and yuffie’s swimsuit image on PlayStation store to replace their original selling cover image asap, or do a collab with shift up right now.

Sex sells, yup.
I’ll make sure it sells some extra copies when it’s out on Steam and can have mods. FF7RI is great with mods.

 

[ArtHands]

Not necessary though. There are many major game series which grew over time too.

 

[Minsc]

Glad to see Metacritic has the better game on top. Though FFXVI is definitely fits more in to the movie category than the gaming one.

 

[Sneakysnake]

… yes, Sony should have paid $70 billion for large publishers, driven their games into the shitter and then panicked and went multi platform. Yes, that would have been a sound strategy.

If PlayStation's parent company put $70 billion into the gaming industry that would be a very good thing for consumers. I want this industry to keep growing.

 

[StereoVsn]

If PlayStation's parent company put $70 billion into the gaming industry that would be a very good thing for consumers. I want this industry to keep growing.

Microsoft bought existing studios they were already making games for more money than they were worth. There was no value add to the industry and if anything it was value subtract.

 

[Hudo]

Well yeah, the series as a whole should be releasing simultaneously on PC/Xbox.

I also think that it's a stupid strategy of Square Enix to chain Final Fantasy to a console brand. The IP is and should be big enough to stand on its own.

 

[adamsapple]

I didn't but because it was not unreal engine 5.looked to similar to first

The third game is also going to be on UE4 and will reuse a majority assets from the first two games, if that makes you feel any better

 

[FunkMiller]

This isn't really that surprising, is it?

They've taken one game, and remade it as three, charging full price for each one. Only on one platform.

Everyone knows this game doesn't end the story...

 

[Superkewl]

You don't need to buy day one but maybe a non biased opinion in a context is important.

I agree wholeheartedly, but pretty much everyone knows that will not be the case in many instances. Now some might say, "well those people deserve it", and there may some truth to that, but I would not wish ill upon them.

I rarely, if ever purchase anything day 1, so it doesn't affect me. Mostly because I have something like a 2-5 year backlog, and I much prefer playing a game with all its DLC released, so I wait for a while before I play a game. I am more of a one-and-done gamer. I rarely ever go back and play games I have already completed or had my fill with.

 

[Sneakysnake]

Microsoft bought existing studios they were already making games for more money than they were worth. There was no value add to the industry and if anything it was value subtract.

And when the Activision/Blizzard catalog is given to all gamepass subscribers how will you convince me that Microsoft didn't go and give me much more value for my gamepass subscription? I was going to pay $70 every year for every call of duty and I was gunna keep paying for gamepass anyway so yes I'm gunna say that they added a great deal of value for me by making this acquisition. And that's just the COD games. Oh and I don't even need to buy and Xbox. I just use my PC. How are ppl possibly hating this?! This is great news for consumers and you are acting against our own interests to pretend that it's not.

 

[Madflavor]

 

[Crayon]

Just got mine. And yo on the shelf it went with the shrink wrap. I am wondering how common that is now that is. In terms.of people, it's a very few. But people who bought er ... 12+ games this month... and played two of them are undoubtedly the biggest spenders. I wonder what percentage of games purchased are not played for at least a year.

Anyway it seemed like this game was poised to explode out of the gate. There was a lot of hype. It would be interesting to see any kind of sales bump with remake.

 

[ArtHands]

 

[jcorb]

game is only available on ps5 and you need to have knowledge of the previous installment to enjoy the game.

That’s the big one for me: I don’t own a PS5. I had hoped they would have had a bundle for it, but since they didn’t, I’ve just opted to wait until a new PS5 model releases, and INSANELY good deal on existing ones, or just wait for PC.

I honestly can’t wait to play, and have been avoiding spoilers, but definitely bummed I didn’t get to play at launch. Got laid off, so not the time to be buying a system just for one game.

 

[Ozriel]

I guess this puts paid to the install base arguments, since the install base for Rebirth is significantly higher than that at the launch of FF16.

 

[Ozriel]

That’s the big one for me: I don’t own a PS5. I had hoped they would have had a bundle for it, but since they didn’t, I’ve just opted to wait until a new PS5 model releases, and INSANELY good deal on existing ones, or just wait for PC.

Wouldn’t that have been the Slim, with a pretty good Spiderman 2 bundle for the holidays?

 

[Evil Calvin]

Dying series if true. Its no one's fault but SQEX.

1) Short sighted exclusivity deals alienate fans and limit growth
2) Putting your best team on remakes for a decade is one of the worst management calls of all time
3) FFXVI had unforgivable design shortcomings.

Every SQEX exclusive on PS5 has underperformed. Forspoken, Foamstars, FFXVI, FFVII, and FFVII-2. Great strategy.

You are right on the 'growth' aspect. If Remake was om Xbox One and Series S/X that would build a fan base which would carry over to Rebirth. As much as many don't want to admit, the Series S/X has a 27+ million userbase. If even just 10% bought the game that would add 3 million copies sold.....for $210 million in sales.....and you grow the fan base.

 

[Punished Miku]

You are right on the 'growth' aspect. If Remake was om Xbox One and Series S/X that would build a fan base which would carry over to Rebirth. As much as many don't want to admit, the Series S/X has a 27+ million userbase. If even just 10% bought the game that would add 3 million copies sold.....for $210 million in sales.....and you grow the fan base.

Yep. Its really not a controversial point.

 

[jcorb]

Wouldn’t that have been the Slim, with a pretty good Spiderman 2 bundle for the holidays?

I’d thought about it, but then I’d heard some mixed things about it. I’ll say it doesn’t help that my friend owns a PS5 and the durability of their controllers leave a lot to be desired. But the “slim” didn’t seem discernibly different in any way, either.

 

[Thorpe]

Interesting, aside from the annoying doom and gloom posts you see all over the place regarding sales, Matt had mentioned that FF7 Remake was now #2 in lifetime dollar sales across all Final Fantasy releases - only behind FFXV at #1. I believe (I'm using vague details, so I'm probably off) that FF7 Remake sold around (or was estimated) 3 to 3.5 million copies within a week. About 5 months later, Square Enix finally broke silence and released a statement saying it has sold 5 million copies up to that point - then they went silent going forward.

If that's the case, FF7 Remake definitely had some additional legs and the eventual EGS release gave it some life. Mix that in with discounts overtime too. The higher price helps of course in terms of lifetime dollar sales though, but to be #2 at this point was definitely an interesting note.

When you look at that and how FF7 Rebirth is doing, it seems to be following that trend. Aside from not selling as much as one would hope, it's about on par with what one would expect. Regardless of hype or nostalgia, I wouldn't expect any release in the trilogy doing more than a mainline (FFXVI and future ones) release. They were relatively close in terms of sales, but overall FF7 Rebirth is trailing just after a month (Total estimate is around 2 to 2.5 million so far). I think eventually once this releases to other platforms + mix in with discounts/sales + promotions, it'll eventually leg its way up just like FF7 Remake did.

I don't see any impact to the upcoming part 3 either (in terms of budge/changes), they'll likely continue on as normal. Once they wrap up the trilogy, Square Enix will do their usual and take advantage of this trilogy and market it all around (Bundles, Integration for one super collection, upgrades to PS6, etc.).

Could the sales be better? Fuck yeah it could be, especially since the game is really great.

But seeing how FF7 Remake climbed since initial release, I think it'll do just fine after some time. Unless Square Enix announces it during their Quarterly Earnings call, I'm figuring we won't hear anything for another few months - then likely radio silence until they start to market the last part of the trilogy.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Rebirth performing worse than ffxvi is sacrilege.

 

[fallingdove]

Dying series if true. Its no one's fault but SQEX.

1) Short sighted exclusivity deals alienate fans and limit growth
2) Putting your best team on remakes for a decade is one of the worst management calls of all time
3) FFXVI had unforgivable design shortcomings.

Every SQEX exclusive on PS5 has underperformed. Forspoken, Foamstars, FFXVI, FFVII, and FFVII-2. Great strategy.

It’s been a dying series for a long time but not for any of the reasons you outlined.

Alienating fans and limiting growth by not putting the game on Xbox? There have been several games on Xbox and they sold next to nothing compared to the other platforms the game was offered on. Do you seriously think that SQEX aren’t looking at historical sales to determine how they are spending $100M+?

Putting the best team on remakes? I wouldn't say No please no-mura and co are the best that SQEX have to offer. And new IPs are even more of a financial risk to a company in SQEX’s position.

And then FFXVI… Which was a good but not great but to say it had “unforgivable shortcomings” is not only off-base but it completely unwinds your argument about new IPs. You think they should develop a brand new title with mechanics that differ from traditional SQEX JRPGs but scoff at new mechanics. Maybe port begging is really the game you'd like to continue playing from SQEX.

 

[kiphalfton]

Wonder if they're regretting splitting the game into multiple parts yet.

Let's say they would have sold 10+ million copies for a consolidated game (had they not split it up into multiple parts). That's better than 10+ million copies sold across 3 games. Mainly because of marketing three separate games, versus one. Between that and development cost, my god all-in cost has to be astronomical.

 

[Punished Miku]

It’s been a dying series for a long time but not for any of the reasons you outlined.

Alienating fans and limiting growth by not putting the game on Xbox? There have been several games on Xbox and they sold next to nothing compared to the other platforms the game was offered on. Do you seriously think that SQEX aren’t looking at historical sales to determine how they are spending $100M+?

Putting the best team on remakes? I wouldn't say No please no-mura and co are the best that SQEX have to offer. And new IPs are even more of a financial risk to a company in SQEX’s position.

And then FFXVI… Which was a good but not great but to say it had “unforgivable shortcomings” is not only off-base but it completely unwinds your argument about new IPs. You think they should develop a brand new title with mechanics that differ from traditional SQEX JRPGs but scoff at new mechanics. Maybe port begging is really the game you'd like to continue playing from SQEX.

nah