ByWatterson
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This sounds really awful, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions without specificity and proof. ND and Sony need to respond.
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Former Naughty Dog employee says he was sexually harassed by a lead in late 2015
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Funyarinpa
Member
Not to deviate much from the topic but I really don't understand the bolded. Isn't male victims NOT being taken seriously (especially by law enforcement) a very infamous issue?
HRs job is to protect the company at all costs. The problem is usually farther up the chain.
Frozone
Member
I'm not sure why the surprise.
There are people everywhere in every industry and job that does this. And companies of course want to cover it up to keep their good reputation.
I'm completely not surprised by this. If you get all the victims to come out, you'll be surprised by so many big name companies having this. I'm not sure what can be done about it since people are .... well, irrational on all levels (or can become irrational over time).
There are people everywhere in every industry and job that does this. And companies of course want to cover it up to keep their good reputation.
I'm completely not surprised by this. If you get all the victims to come out, you'll be surprised by so many big name companies having this. I'm not sure what can be done about it since people are .... well, irrational on all levels (or can become irrational over time).
facetheslayer92
Member
Fuck the entire HR department at PlayStation and fuck that harasser scum.
Sickening.
Sickening.
geordiemp
Member
Wow, maybe there should be some facts found here before GAF becomes judge, jury and executioner on evidence based on tweets.
Some people get the pitch forks based on what evidence ?
There is a legal system for a reason.
If the allegations are correct then justice will be done, but some people man....look at yourselves.
Some people get the pitch forks based on what evidence ?
There is a legal system for a reason.
If the allegations are correct then justice will be done, but some people man....look at yourselves.
What happened sound terrible but do you honestly expect me to boycott Sony and Naughty Dog products because of a badly handled sexual harassment case? If that is something you do, I expect you wouldn't be able to buy anything from any major company.
Jeez, and Sony paid him to keep it quiet.
Naughty Dog is a joke with their progressive, especially as two of their ethic characters being voiced and mo-cap by white folks.
This pretty much, I got fired at my first job as my boss was not interested in the welfare of his employees and only cared about his bottom line.
I doubt it.
Naughty Dog is a joke with their progressive, especially as two of their ethic characters being voiced and mo-cap by white folks.
This pretty much, I got fired at my first job as my boss was not interested in the welfare of his employees and only cared about his bottom line.
I doubt it.
Dice//
Banned
The problem is now we got harassment olympics and it becomes so hard to discuss this without someone chiming in "BUT EVERYONE IS".
So drawing the line sucks because it seems the sexes get abused differently (generalizing, but it seems women get harassed more frequently but men simply arne't taken seriously).
Maybe the solution is to talk about it together? Use ads with female and male victims and work towards reshaping attitudes about masculinity that doesn't so strictly praise 'getting laid' as a good thing --- especially since that attitude seems to spill into male victims.
We don't know if this isn't still happening and someone had to approve the 20K. So talking shit about ND or Sony isn't pointless.
Melchiah
Member
Hopefully there'll be repercussions for the harasser.
Thay reminds me of a popular Finnish radio guy, who laughed at the idea of men being raped, claiming it would be impossible and the man would enjoy it nonetheless. SMH
Thay reminds me of a popular Finnish radio guy, who laughed at the idea of men being raped, claiming it would be impossible and the man would enjoy it nonetheless. SMH
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Wasn't HR suppose to be the middle man between corporate and labor
Like their corporates IAB (Internal Affairs Bureau)
Looks like HR culture is more be corporates lapdog and snitch at keeping the company safe than being a presence to keep both sides in check
I mean HR get paid by corporate so yeah...
Like their corporates IAB (Internal Affairs Bureau)
Looks like HR culture is more be corporates lapdog and snitch at keeping the company safe than being a presence to keep both sides in check
I mean HR get paid by corporate so yeah...
Twilight Princess
Member
I dont think I have enough strength in me to boycott tlou2
Hot Coldman
Banned
Not that I thought Naughty Dog were perfect, but having made some of my favourite titles - including the games I played as a child - this is extremely fucking disappointing to hear. Sort your fucking shit out, Sony, because I don't want to buy games made by scum you're protecting the true colours of.
I am surprised that this many people are actually surprised. It is such a common occurrence that I just figured everyone understood it to be happening practically everywhere.
The fact that I've gotten numb to these kinds of revelations shows just how terrible it has gotten over the last decade. Gosh.
I work for a big tech company with a comprehensive HR policy and a diverse workforce. This is not remotely normal. It's a mark of a toxic company.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
yup
It's in the OP.
semiconscious
Gold Member
well, that's the way things used to be, anyway. apparently, not so much any more
...those aren't details. that's just a bare-bones account...
RichiRamjag
Member
Youre right there. Look at our current pres.
Sony tried to cover it up? what the actual fuck. The amount you here about how great it is to work at Sony's studios and the amount of talent they have you would never think something like this would happen (especially at their top studio.) I at least hope the harasser was fired, I hope Sony and Naughty Dog didn't decided to keep him just because he is talented.
Funyarinpa
Member
I agree with everything you say.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
...Have you been living in a cave in the past few years?
Good. The industry is a pile of shit for numerous reasons. It needs to be cleansed of the turds.
Soldiussnaku
Member
Nope. more like the human race. I'm losing any sense of trust or expectation in our ever increasing sick headed species. The events of 2015-2017 made me not surprised at all how deparaved so called modern civilization is. The good thing is there is plenty of people left fighting the good fight, questions is will those still on the fence ever decide to bother getting of thier fat ass and contribute to what looks like a worseing situation.
About the claim, what awful awful news.
Time for the gaming industry, long seeped in the fucking shit that is/was gamergate, slave like work conditions,emboldended alt right assholes, constant , never ending abuse and harrasment of minorites and women and toxic shthole of communites to get it's ick up the arse. Seems it starts with sony. Get all of those cockaroaches in the sun.
Pancakes R Us
Member
HR is not there to benefit us workers, it's there to protect the company. So many shitty stories this year have made me realise this. I always thought HR was there to help. They can't do shit.
Here's my question to you: how do you actually know?
Do you think this news would come as a shock to Naughty Dog employees who had no idea? Who would vouch for their company and the work environment?
The whole point of coming forward and telling your story is because people had no idea what was happening, whether it was a termination, coverup, etc.
Holding an entire company accountable, as some here are doing, isn't the right way to go. The kind of behaviour described in the op is disgraceful, but maybe only a handful of people were likely involved in the decision making process that led to (assuming everything said is true) an awful decision being made.
Rather than making hyperbolic statements like "fuck nd" or "fuck sony", perhaps reflect and realise that a) most people at nd and sony likely had no idea this was going on and b) most people at these companies are just going about their lives earning just enough to get by and any boycott would hit them way quicker than the people involved in making this decision.
People are right to be angry, and with the recent revelations it is easy to feel that everyone in the entertainment industry is scum, but--so far as recent evidence suggests--most people are actually decent. Not to mention if you're going to boycott every company where harassment takes place well... probably best to start programming your own games, writing your own books and growing your own food.
Rather than making hyperbolic statements like "fuck nd" or "fuck sony", perhaps reflect and realise that a) most people at nd and sony likely had no idea this was going on and b) most people at these companies are just going about their lives earning just enough to get by and any boycott would hit them way quicker than the people involved in making this decision.
People are right to be angry, and with the recent revelations it is easy to feel that everyone in the entertainment industry is scum, but--so far as recent evidence suggests--most people are actually decent. Not to mention if you're going to boycott every company where harassment takes place well... probably best to start programming your own games, writing your own books and growing your own food.
Without support from the business side, you are absolutely correct. It's even worse when HR and business are under the same umbrella or report to the same individuals. They need to have support from the other side as well as be autonomous or it's a whole lot of nothing. It's sad, but it is what it is.
Games industry is as bad or worse than most when it comes to sexual conduct and gender relations.
Again, a person is not a company. There's clearly an abuser, and that's the one that should be pointed at. To imply that either Naughty Dog or Sony are responsible of this situation is nuts.
Of course you don't know if this still happens there, and let me tell you, just going by the stats, of course it's happening. Not just there, but every single game studio (or films, or whatever) has that kind of situations. Not trying to normalize it, I want that every single case of this comes out to the light, but to go witch hunting towards this two particular companies is pointless. What people should be targeting are the culprits.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
The legal system has failed in dealing with things like this.
Look at ourselves? You're the one blindly defending a corporation for no reason.
Regardless of the legal system, Sony and Naughty Dog need to address this issue and reaffirm their commitment to having a safe and healthy work environment.
Like I said. It's shit, but this is damn near in every industry.
If you're an expendable employee. Like damn near all of the time going to HR won't do shit. If anything they'll get rid of you. A few posts of mine back I recalled a situation.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Even so, firing the guy immediately and then offering him 20k to shut the fuck up seems like a superlative response. Like that's a HR department with a foot on its throat, it's been neutered of purpose. It can't even protect the company considering this story has come out, and in all likelihood was always going to come out.
ShironRedshift
Member
Good thing NeoGAF isn't a courtroom, so none of that is relevant. This is not a court of law, and there's no need to treat it like one or hold it up to smthe standards of one. People can come to whatever conclusions they may.
And the second half of the post is just the just world fallacy in action. No, even if the allegations are true, it's quite likely justice will NOT be done. That's not how anything works. The stats in stuff like sexual assault, harassment, and rape indicate precisely the opposite: that it's uncommon for any of this stuff to even go to court at all, and even when it does, any type of successful verdicts are even rarer. This is one area where justice I'd very rarely served. It just doesn't work that way, unfortunately. Not even close.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I know right, the games industry has been having these sorts of stories for a loooong time let alone the metric ton of other bullshit.
It's right up there with hollywod in terms of no surprise.