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GAF Best seller: "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists,"

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/10/05/books.neilstrauss.ap/index.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- If you want to meet Neil Strauss, you have go to a bar. You just have to. That's his territory.

Strauss, you see, has spent the past two years turning himself into one of the best pickup artists in the world. He's gotten so good that he even teaches others.

"I can get any guy to go up to the most unapproachable, stunning girl and make her interested, make her laugh and make her love him," he says.

Make no mistake: Strauss, a Rolling Stone writer who has ghost written books by Motley Crue and porn star Jenna Jameson, is not particularly gorgeous. With his shaved head, goatee and slender frame, he resembles an emaciated Howie Mandel. But the dude's got game -- a series of techniques he has adapted from a secretive community of seduction artists that can beguile and hook the hottest of women better than if he looked like Brad Pitt.

"I'm messing up the genetic code," he says with a laugh.

He says this from a banquette at K Lounge, a sultry watering hole over an Indian restaurant that has Near Eastern furnishings and statuettes depicting positions from the Kama Sutra. House music plays and the cocktails have names like Aphrodisiac.

A perfect pickup place.

But alas, we can't see Strauss in action. He's semiretired from babe wrangling for one very good reason: She's sitting beside him -- his stunning blond girlfriend who towers several inches above him.

See? This stuff seems to really work.

Strauss has put what he's learned into a book, "The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists," that arrived in bookstores a few weeks ago bound tongue-in-cheek like a

Bible, complete with fake leather cover and bookmark. It lays out the art and science of seduction, the often bitter feuds among different schools of thought and the startling news that successful mackin' can be learned.

"Guys who are not naturally successful with women ... weren't genetically born to fail. They just had bad habits," he says, "like I did."

"Women have Cosmopolitan to show them 30 ways to drive a man crazy and they have 'Sex and the City' to learn how to deal with men. ... Guys have these dumb buddy movies that are made to titillate them but show them nothing about how women really work."
'Negs' and 'targets'

What works on women, apparently, is a carefully scripted series of moves and dialogue to convey absolutely no interest at all. "The great lie of modern dating," Strauss writes, "is that in order to sleep with a woman, a man must pretend initially as if he doesn't want to."

Forget about your stereotype pickup artist -- that 1970s lizard with shirt cracked to his navel and sledgehammer style. "The modern player is totally under the radar," Strauss says.

Though each school of seduction differs, various techniques -- learned online or during seminars -- can be mixed and matched. Many of the estimated 1 million members rely on jargon -- these are guys, after all.

There's the "neg," a casual insult that conveys lack of interest ("Those are nice nails; are they real?"), the "false time constraint," lying that you have to leave soon to lessen anxiety, and looking for IOIs, or "indicators of interest" such as the hottie leaning in close.

This is a community where the woman you want to meet is the "target," where anyone she's with is an "obstacle" and where men learn magic and ESP tricks to show value and avoid LMR ("last minute resistance").

All this can take you from an AFC (average frustrated chump) to MPUA (master pickup artist). It worked for Strauss, who bedded dozens under the nom-de-guerre Style and became a guru in his own right.

"All this stuff is backward engineered from what works. Nobody sat at a computer and invented these techniques. They watched guys who are successful and broke it down to what works," Strauss says.

What also works is "peacocking," wearing loud flashy outfits to get women's attention (Strauss shows up for his interview wearing a pair of gold boots), and psychological weapons like "push-pull," showing no interest at first, followed by intense attention. A few keys rules are constant: Never stoop to buy your target a drink -- let her buy you one. Always make yourself the center of attention. And always get her phone number.
Souls at stake?
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Some 100,000 copies of "The Game" have been ordered by publisher ReganBooks, and the book hit No. 10 on The New York Times hardcover nonfiction list in its debut week.

Reviews have been somewhat mixed. Publishers Weekly called it "often tedious but hilarious." The Times said it was "far more frightening than funny."

A London Times writer observedexternal link that Strauss is brutally honest about the value of "sarging": "There are, as Strauss is keen to stress in his book, two sides to all of this. On the one hand, a guy -- any guy -- really can learn to pick up women, and can do so far more effectively than the 'naturals' of whom they may have grown up in awe. On the other, they risk losing their soul."

"Strange as it seems, it's one of the more universal books I've ever worked on," says ReganBooks editor Cal Morgan. "What it amounts to is a book about how difficult it is for men and women to talk to each other."

With all this attention, is Strauss concerned that his book might disarm future pickup artists by revealing their techniques? After all, won't women now be able to recognize the game?

"I'm not worried about it because guys will always need to find a way to meet women," Strauss says. "Attraction is always the same. You can't help it. You can't disarm that."

Strauss' book comes at a time when there seems to be a spike in interest from Hollywood in pickup routines. Witness the films "Hitch," "Wedding Crashers" and "The 40-Year-Old Virgin."

One thing Strauss stresses is that the techniques he's describing can only get the conversation started. After about 15 minutes, a pickup artist's real personality will begin shining through the cracks.

"On the surface it might sound like a horrible thing -- men learning tricks to manipulate women. But any guy who doesn't have anything inside -- like confidence and self-awareness, some sort of spirituality or goodness, being in touch with their emotions -- is not going to do well anyway."

Strauss, who's in his 30s, has veered away from the pickup community since meeting his girlfriend, Lisa Leveridge, a guitarist for Courtney Love. Even so, he still conducts seminars and workshops at bars.

"You feel for that really good-looking 25-year-old guy who's got no self-esteem and probably only gone out on maybe two dates before in his life," he says. "You want to help him. You want to say, 'You are a cool, good-looking guy. Here's what you do to get your confidence going.' "

Often he will teach novices with Lisa by his side. She acts as "pivot" -- providing proof of his good social skills, creating jealousy in the target or helping show he's not threatening.

Is she worried that Strauss has become a one-man seduction machine?

"Oh please," says Leveridge. "I've got more skills than him. And anyway, why would I date somebody I didn't trust? My boyfriend's got some skills and I'm not worried about it."

Strauss met Leveridge toward the end of his two-year odyssey, and she was powerfully immune to his tricks. He eventually stole her heart by being himself. Yet she endorses her boyfriend's mission: "Women want to meet men. We're glad these guys are getting the skills so that they'll actually be able to approach us and not gross us out."

As for Strauss, he's not concerned that the techniques he writes about will put new powerful pickup skills into the hands of unscrupulous men. Women will be fine, he insists.

"Women are born with a thing called intuition and it's their best defense against these guys," he says.

Now lames like Pimpwerx can get his freak on without shelling out 39.95/month at AFF PEACE.
 

Pimpwerx

Member
Tommie Hu$tle said:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/books/10/05/books.neilstrauss.ap/index.html



Now lames like Pimpwerx can get his freak on without shelling out 39.95/month at AFF PEACE.
Hehe, I don't fucking read, man. Besides, I could write me one of them books. Well, I could write like a chapter. There are some major fucking players that pull stupid amounts of ass. I'm not there yet, butI will be in due time. ;) BTW, I thought this was about the rapper. :lol PEACE.
 

demon

I don't mean to alarm you but you have dogs on your face
His book is probably the same shit as every other pickup artist book. It's probably nothing more than a reworded version of the cocky&funny dude's book. scuze me....e-book.
 
One thing Strauss stresses is that the techniques he's describing can only get the conversation started. After about 15 minutes, a pickup artist's real personality will begin shining through the cracks.

"On the surface it might sound like a horrible thing -- men learning tricks to manipulate women. But any guy who doesn't have anything inside -- like confidence and self-awareness, some sort of spirituality or goodness, being in touch with their emotions -- is not going to do well anyway."

Tommie Hu$tle said:
Now lames like Pimpwerx can get his freak on without shelling out 39.95/month at AFF PEACE.


Those two paragraphs take him right out of the running for this book helping him. PEACE
 

atomsk

Party Pooper
and this is the same guy who helped Marilyn Manson write his autobiography... :lol

i mean, c'mon, i'm sure the HERRO, I KNOW ROCKSTARS/WORK FOR ROLLING STONE line doesnt hurt him either...
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
Best book I've ever read........exposes some of the dark side of the seduction community.

It's more of a biography than a "dating manual", btw.
 

Boogie

Member
Cubsfan23 said:
Best book I've ever read........exposes some of the dark side of the seduction community.

What? You mean to tell me that Cocky & Funny isn't all ice cream and lollipops? I am shocked, shocked, I say.
 

Phoenix

Member
I'll put it this way, if you can dance - you will be able to pick up most available women. If you can't dance, all the pick-up lines in the world aren't likely to help you.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
Boogie said:
What? You mean to tell me that Cocky & Funny isn't all ice cream and lollipops? I am shocked, shocked, I say.

Haha, C & F wasn't really a focus in the book. You should read it.

By seduction community, I mean the "gurus" who post on fastseduction.com, which is where the author posted at as well, by the name of "Style"
 
GAF best seller? :lol Here's how GAF meets their women:

1) Go up to a woman and apologize for being a man.
2) If she isn't completely disgusted, the man asks for her to kick him in the nuts for retribution for having a penis.
3) He thinks they are in a relationship but she is seeing other men. He cries when he catches her getting bent over by some other dude but won't do anything about it because that means oppressing her.
4) Goes online and flames anyone on GAF who doesn't follow this.
 

Drey1082

Member
Actually, I'm actually reading this right now, and while I don't see myself dating tons of women because of this book, it's actually really well written and interesting. Like Cubsfan said, it's not really a "how - to", but a story of him socializing with pick-up artists. There are a lot of interesting stuff in there though.
 

Stryder

Member
I hope this isn't frowned upon (bumping this topic from the nether) but I just finished reading this book and wow, it's a fantastic read like Cubsfan said.. Terrific ending (that I hoped was coming), reading it has been a life-changing experience for me.
 

Wendo

Vasectomember
Stryder said:
I hope this isn't frowned upon (bumping this topic from the nether) but I just finished reading this book and wow, it's a fantastic read like Cubsfan said.. Terrific ending (that I hoped was coming), reading it has been a life-changing experience for me.

I'm glad you did, I missed this thread in October. I'll have to check this one out.
 
The Game is indeed an awesome read. I've read it twice and will probably read it several times more. Although the word choices Neil makes in this book is odd and there's lots of misspellings. Nothing Neil Strauss uses is something I'd be caught doing but its a fine read.
 

emomoonbase

I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
Strauss met Leveridge toward the end of his two-year odyssey, and she was powerfully immune to his tricks. He eventually stole her heart by being himself.

Yet the girl he's actually with is one where the book did nothing??? SOLD!
 

way more

Member
I keep seeing this book in the new non-fiction section and wonder what the hell is going on? I'm glad to hear some good stuff about it.
 

Cubsfan23

Banned
There's a rumor that Strauss is going to get married soon, some of the community is pissed at him for "selling out" :lol
 

Stryder

Member
Cubsfan23 said:
There's a rumor that Strauss is going to get married soon, some of the community is pissed at him for "selling out" :lol
:lol

I'm not surprised, it sounded like a lot of people out there modelled themselves on his principles and used his routines, if he came to the conclusion that it was all an unfulfilling waste of time in the end what have they set themselves up for?
 

Scrow

Still Tagged Accordingly
Saw this in Borders (at the Jam Factory in Melbourne) and immediately thought of GAF and cubsfan.
 

Stryder

Member
Heh yeah, I've seen this in Borders as well, I was in Borders (at Chadstone) a few weeks ago and heard a guy ask for it from one of the people that work there and I was thinking to myself 'hehe, this guy is after some poontang'.

Funnily enough I don't know if the book will help you get any.
 
Stryder said:
Heh yeah, I've seen this in Borders as well, I was in Borders (at Chadstone) a few weeks ago and heard a guy ask for it from one of the people that work there and I was thinking to myself 'hehe, this guy is after some poontang'.

Funnily enough I don't know if the book will help you get any.

The book is not meant to help you get any.

The Pick Up Artist society was formed because of a 20-30 year stretch of second and third wave feminism and how it impacted society. The changes just weren't on the women side, it affected men too negatively. These men slipped through the cracks. Before, you could trade in a few cows to marry a girl, get hooked up through your aunt, and various other means of *cough* courtship. Feminism destroyed it and left men with no way to adjust to put it bluntly.

Women have lots of relationship tips at their disposal: Magazines, their friends, TV Shows (Sex and the City especially where despite being canceled, people still talk about it), etc. Men have nothing because it was expected that we have to know everything about women including when they're sincere, how to get women, etc. Most them curse society for women not approaching men when thats not the problem. With no knowledge and a rise of the fact that it should be considered a shame to have a penis, millions of men were blindsighted and its all too easy to become a hermit or a long time virgin. Even with the supposed "moral decay" in society.

Its unfortunate that these underground societies exist but they exist because until its acceptable for men to start acting like men again, there's just going to be more and more men who slip through the cracks of dating and society.

Neil was like the thousands of other men, getting on in age and little or no women to show for it. Whether you want to supress the feeling or not, sex is important to both genders. You can come up with 1001 reasons why you have better things to do with women but at the end of the day, you know you need sex. Its a natural human function. In a society that tries to deconstruct nature and reform it, again, you got men slipping through the cracks. That sexual frustration builds up and could ferment into rape or serial murder.

The PUA society is hollow, yes. However, it definitely has its place in society and I expect the community to expand in size continually until society does another paradigm shift.
 

3phemeral

Member
Gee, I dunno -- doesn't seem to make much sense when you have, uh -- conflicting information written in the same article.

But alas, we can't see Strauss in action. He's semiretired from babe wrangling for one very good reason: She's sitting beside him -- his stunning blond girlfriend who towers several inches above him.

See? This stuff seems to really work.

Often he will teach novices with Lisa by his side. She acts as "pivot" -- providing proof of his good social skills, creating jealousy in the target or helping show he's not threatening.

Strauss met Leveridge toward the end of his two-year odyssey, and she was powerfully immune to his tricks. He eventually stole her heart by being himself.
 

boutrosinit

Street Fighter IV World Champion
Men have no pickup tip resources because men as a gender are typically too proud to say "I don't know". Well, most of us anyway.

A friend of mine writes the books you can find at the link below. Hell, I even post on his discussion list!

www.steelballs.com
 
3pheMeraLmiX said:
Gee, I dunno -- doesn't seem to make much sense when you have, uh -- conflicting information written in the same article.

Spoiler filled post:

If you read articles about it, it sounds pretty stupid. In short, she flipped the game on Neil and he fell for it. At the time, the Pick Up Artist society was crashing and burning. Project Hollywood turned against him. He was just sick of the game and decided to settle down.

She sounds pretty kick ass though. He did mention in the book that before learning this shit, he wouldn't have made a move on Leveridge, which is an all too ignored part of what he's been preaching post PUA theories.
 
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