All I see are remarks like this, give me evidence to prove why what I'm saying is wrong.I just don't know why anyone bothers engaging you in conversation at this point.
All I see are remarks like this, give me evidence to prove why what I'm saying is wrong.I just don't know why anyone bothers engaging you in conversation at this point.
i just dont understand what makes people root for something to fail so bad
Some of us have, but you refuse to accept the facts anyway, so most of us just gave up.All I see are remarks like this, give me evidence to prove why what I'm saying is wrong.
Quality of a game won't affect sales or can't be in line with sales or the reasons why sales are down? I mean, come on?
All I see are remarks like this, give me evidence to prove why what I'm saying is wrong.
Right, let me be clear. I think that the digital split was around 30-40% on launch week, which if true, put the launch around Halo 2 numbers, just short if I remember rightly.Some of us have, but you refuse to accept the facts anyway, so most of us just gave up.
All I see are remarks like this, give me evidence to prove why what I'm saying is wrong.
Quality of a game won't affect sales or can't be in line with sales or the reasons why sales are down? I mean, come on?
It'd be hard to argue Halo 5 failed as opposed to underperforming.
It didn't seriously change the sales of the Xbox One, but the Xbox One is also not a failed system, rather simply one in second place.
It didn't grow the Halo franchise, but I don't think that was a realistic goal on a notably smaller user base.
What's clear though is that Halo as it is today isn't working for as many people as it once did, even given the current scenario, so what do they change to try and grow again?
It's still selling a lot, and in the markets it can still succeed in, it is selling like a big (but not top) title, so there's definitely a lot of potential worth pursuing.
Also what I feel is important as well is that GameStop said none of the AAA titles outperformed digitally, suggesting we can use whatever the third party baseline us to model every title with reasonable accuracy barring other information pointing otherwise.
Yup, it sold 1.46 millions first month on XB1 and 4.7 millions all versions combined.
But BO III, and maybe Follaut 4 e Battlefront could beat it this November NPD.
All right, digital examples.
Witcher 3: 25% of total sales http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1116442 (Keep in mind this is a major PC franchise)
Ubisoft in 2014 on PS4/XB1: 10% http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=852745
EA in 2014 on PS4/XB1: 10-15% http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=860335
EA 2015 with Battlefield Hardline PS4/XB1 (similar game to Halo): 20% http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1041340
"We have nothing to believe it is higher". Meaning, we don't know, so we're going to assume based on other publishers.You've been given ample evidence. MS isn't going to come out and tell you so you'll have to use some common sense. We have Cosmic's long list of examples from publishers. You have the CEO of MS's biggest retail partner telling you they have constant discussions with MS and Halo wasn't a huge outlier. You have several insiders with industry connections and insight telling you this is the case. On the other hand, what evidence do you have for your stance. You have the fact that several of your friends buy games digitally and some shaky, vague MS PR statements.
I have a hard time believing MS said "best selling" in units terms in a revenue PR.Best selling means the amount sold, highest grossing is revenue. Especially in PR which was about revenue and had highest grossing on the title.
Looking at sales of the big franchises in the UK, it looks like the quality of the previous entry is what dictates sales the most.
"We have nothing to believe it is higher". Meaning, we don't know, so we're going to assume based on other publishers.
If they said, "it aligns with AAA titles on the current-gen consoles" then yeah, I wouldn't be saying this.
The definition of best selling:I have a hard time believing MS said "best selling" in units terms in a revenue PR.
lolThe definition of best selling:
"selling in greater quantities than others of same same kind"
They believe, they don't know. Key word, believe.based on conversations with Microsoft. "We are in constant discussions with all publishers and platform-holders and we believe that all major full-game titles launched in this quarter were in line with previously announced digital download levels," he said.
I'm done discussing this with you at this point. Believe what you want to believe.
So in a PR statement where it specifically states it's the highest grossing Halo title, then say it's also the best selling digitally, they're on about revenue?lol
MS or others companies never used revenue for "best selling".
You are unbelievable.
.This thread man...
Its like Some of you are forgetting that Gamestop also sell digital game codes and xbl/psn store credit codes.
They are not competing with Microsoft. They have the same interests - to sell as many games and hardware units as possible. When they make a sale both them and Microsoft ultimately take a share of revenue from it, its a partnership.
They will have close communication with each other on topics like this because the landscape of how people purchase games is now changing. They will share information like this as it is in each others best interests to then align and come up with strategies in order to exploit any potential trends/changes in the market.
So for example if digital sales go up then it is not in Microsoft's (nor GameStop's) best interests to continually provide Gamestop with the same amount of physical stock. What they might do however is provide Gamestop with more store credit codes or more digital codes to be more efficient and give customers what they want. Even when it comes to sales/bundles and promotions this information is important.
Can't believe the degree of idiocy I'm seeing in this thread.
It can but its at best completely tangential to the current discussion and the aforementioned posts were not in reference to any effect on sales they were simply stating their opinions on the quality of the game regardless on the context of the thread at large.
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You know it is not the "highest grossing Halo title" if you add hardware and what MS added to Halo 5 sales to previous titles lolThey believe, they don't know. Key word, believe.
So in a PR statement where it specifically states it's the highest grossing Halo title, then say it's also the best selling digitally, they're on about revenue?
Your unbelievable. You guys say I'm stubborn.
Right, let me be clear. I think that the digital split was around 30-40% on launch week, which if true, put the launch around Halo 2 numbers, just short if I remember rightly.
I'm saying it seems plausible due the fact of how much it sold physically and the fact that it was the best selling digital title on the platform.
I haven't been given anything otherwise. The only argument is the metric is in revenue, which isn't true, as it would of been worded that way.
There's also the matter of the record breaking PR
specifically referencing the "Xbox Store" which was a new thing for XB1 (before it was the Xbox Live arcade and Xbox Live store) as well as specifying "for an opening week." There's also the matter of "best-selling" as we don't know if this in revenue or licenses.
All in all, due to the aforementioned reasons, the PR is anything but a reliable source let alone grounds to question statements made by companies in an earnings call. Yet here we have people arguing that info being provided in an earnings call must be false because it clashes with a previously confirmed misleading PR message.
We already had several insiders saying that Halo 5 is within the common percentage for digital sales, around 20%. Furthermore, that list of digital sales percentages from publishers keeps getting posted in this kind of threads, but you chose to ignore them. The Witcher 3, a PC centric game, had only 25% digital sales in total. I shouldn't have to tell you that most of the sales on PC are on Steam, contributing a very large portion of digital sales. You have evidence and insight right in front of you, yet you choose to use your friends and Microsoft's PR as evidence. This is the reason many of us just gave up debating with you.Right, let me be clear. I think that the digital split was around 30-40% on launch week, which if true, put the launch around Halo 2 numbers, just short if I remember rightly.
I'm saying it seems plausible due the fact of how much it sold physically and the fact that it was the best selling digital title on the platform.
I haven't been given anything otherwise. The only argument is the metric is in revenue, which isn't true, as it would of been worded that way.
Developers who're clued up technically with the consoles don't know sales figures. Unless we've got people who work for MS and have stated this.We already had several insiders saying that Halo 5 is within the common percentage for digital sales, around 20%. Furthermore, that list of digital sales percentages from publishers keeps getting posted in this kind of threads, but you chose to ignore them. The Witcher 3, a PC centric game, had only 25% digital sales in total. I shouldn't have to tell you that most of the sales on PC are on Steam, contributing a very large portion of digital sales. You have evidence and insight right in front of you, yet you choose to use your friends and Microsoft's PR as evidence. This is the reason many of us just gave up debating with you.
You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.Leeh what the fuck man. This getting ridiculous. I gave you two separate reasons why over 50 posts ago
Can you stop with this shit please. It's one thing to refute arguments or oppose them. It's another thing entirely to constantly chain they don't exist.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
"We have nothing to believe it is higher". Meaning, we don't know, so we're going to assume based on other publishers.
If they said, "it aligns with AAA titles on the current-gen consoles" then yeah, I wouldn't be saying this.
More digital sales = higher digital split.Because the two statements have nothing to do with one another. If they said Halo is the best selling Xbox One game of all time for opening week and it was outsold by other games at retail. Then you could say, well they had to make up for it with digital. They didn't say that. They said it was the best selling digital title, which has no connection to how much it sold physically.
That's it, I give up. You're free to believe Halo 5 had a 900% digital sales figure if it helps you sleep at night. Frankly, I never met anyone on this forum as stubborn as you. The Artisan made a ridiculous claim of the XB1 selling to 1% of China's population, which remains a meme to this day, but at least he was willing to learn from his mistakes. With you, it's a never ending cycle of your own beliefs. You're like the Sales GAF equivalent of thelastword.Developers who're clued up technically with the consoles don't know sales figures. Unless we've got people who work for MS and have stated this.
You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
Developers who're clued up technically with the consoles don't know sales figures. Unless we've got people who work for MS and have stated this.
You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
Quality of a game won't affect sales or can't be in line with sales or the reasons why sales are down? I mean, come on?
Hahaha, you honestly think that I think that?That's it, I give up. You're free to believe Halo 5 had a 900% digital sales figure if it helps you sleep at night. Frankly, I never met anyone on this forum as stubborn as you. The Artisan made a ridiculous claim of the XB1 selling to 1% of China's population, which remains a meme to this day, but at least he was willing to learn from his mistakes. With you, it's a never ending cycle of your own beliefs. You're like the Sales GAF equivalent of thelastword.
That's it, I give up. You're free to believe Halo 5 had a 900% digital sales figure if it helps you sleep at night. Frankly, I never met anyone on this forum as stubborn as you. The Artisan made a ridiculous claim of the XB1 selling to 1% of China's population, which remains a meme to this day, but at least he was willing to learn from his mistakes. With you, it's a never ending cycle of your own beliefs. You're like the Sales GAF equivalent of thelastword.
You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.
I'm out.
Homework for the next thread:
How can a physical/digital split of a game align with other titles when it's been outperformed physically by other games, but is the best selling digital title?
Clue: It's not that the metric is store revenue.
More digital sales = higher digital split.
More digital sales = higher digital split.
No no no the fun is reading from start to finish.I read only this page and I already have headache.
Fine, my bad, I exaggerated just to make fun. But 30-40% is still way too high for any game out today. You honestly don't think that Microsoft would be yelling from the rooftops if that was really the case?Hahaha, you honestly think that I think that?
Yeah, I was kinda making fun of his claims, not entirely serious on that one.To be fair he did abandon the 90% digital and change it to 30-40%, and while more reasonable, still reaching very very far without proof to back it up.
Source? You have no proof about that like I don't have opposite too.You don't believe the MS PR, it said best selling, means number of copies not revenue.
9 out of 10 friends brought digital meme lives on!!As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
Right, let me be clear. I think that the digital split was around 30-40% on launch week, which if true, put the launch around Halo 2 numbers, just short if I remember rightly.
I'm saying it seems plausible due the fact of how much it sold physically and the fact that it was the best selling digital title on the platform.
I haven't been given anything otherwise. The only argument is the metric is in revenue, which isn't true, as it would of been worded that way.
As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
NPD leaked data include bundles with digital sales too.Umm, no. UK sales include bundle sales which are actually digital sales.
As with lots of people in the thread, most people I know bought this digitally.
Also, how the hell would GameStop know what sold on the marketplace? Oh wait, they wouldn't.
I think this is the time to bow out of the thread. Good luck to anyone who wants to try to keep dealing with this stuff.