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George Lucas Making Changes to Star Wars Saga... Again
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Liquidsnake
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richiek said:
Yeah it just feels like this epic journey, that by the time you get to Jedi, you are happy, and you feel like you were part of a huge story.
electroshockwave
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I don't think that's much of a reveal.richiek said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kr2XP0RCtI
http://youtu.be/onsXNiut4oE?t=2h7m6s
Watching the prequels I was never quite sure if the audience was meant to be aware that Palpatine was Sidious and Episode I was my first Star Wars film.
It's like poetry. It rhymes.richiek said:
Nappuccino
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Jason's Ultimatum said:
Technology regressed with the empire.
Watching them in chronological order makes no sense for a number of reasons. The prequels assume all sorts of foreknowledge about the Star Wars universe, never bothering to explain stuff like the Force, lightsabers, and the Jedi.
If you watch them in order, you have to sit through a whole bunch of unnecessary exposition by the time you get to the fourth movie. All the reveals and twists in the OT are blown (meaning the way several sequences are shot and edited no longer makes sense), and the small amount of effective dramatic irony in the prequels is lost. The prequels feature a din of action and visual information courtesy of modern CG that suddenly and inexplicably get pulled back and never return in the remaining sequels.
I know Lucas says they're just different movies viewed that way, but every one of the movies (prequels included, but especially the originals), is diminished by that order. On subsequent viewings this matters much less, but as an initial viewing 1-6 is simply the wrong way to go.
If you watch them in order, you have to sit through a whole bunch of unnecessary exposition by the time you get to the fourth movie. All the reveals and twists in the OT are blown (meaning the way several sequences are shot and edited no longer makes sense), and the small amount of effective dramatic irony in the prequels is lost. The prequels feature a din of action and visual information courtesy of modern CG that suddenly and inexplicably get pulled back and never return in the remaining sequels.
I know Lucas says they're just different movies viewed that way, but every one of the movies (prequels included, but especially the originals), is diminished by that order. On subsequent viewings this matters much less, but as an initial viewing 1-6 is simply the wrong way to go.
I cannot understand how some people can defend anything in episodes 1-3
Seriously, nothing good has come out of those movies.
The characters were butchered, the Empire was butchered, the Jedis were butchered, the War was butchered, the Force was butchered(midiclorians? really?)
Those movies should be banned. Don't defend them, please.
Even if they were good, watching the movies 1 through 6 would completely ruin the flow. They were not made to be watched like that.
Seriously, nothing good has come out of those movies.
The characters were butchered, the Empire was butchered, the Jedis were butchered, the War was butchered, the Force was butchered(midiclorians? really?)
Those movies should be banned. Don't defend them, please.
Even if they were good, watching the movies 1 through 6 would completely ruin the flow. They were not made to be watched like that.
BocoDragon
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This is true. But I'd argue that almost no one has mastered the art of writing a prequel later that doesn't spoil the earlier material, or is somehow compelling having not seen the original material. Least of all Star Wars.Erigu said:
The storyline of the prequels is not compelling if you have never seen the OT, and it spoils plot points of the OT, in a way that doesn't happen if you watch them in order of creation. I mean, the story of the rise of the Empire and Anakin is not compelling at all on its own. It really only justifies 8 hours of film if you know the world of the OT beforehand. No one would ever have told that story by itself (as opposed to the OT which was told by itself).
megashock5
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Nappuccino said:
Yes, to the point where R2 forgot he could fly.
Nappuccino
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megashock5 said:
it was an epidemic.
megashock5
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Mr. Sam said:
The fact that they had three entire movies and none of them showed any of the Clone Wars is downright criminal. They talked about it since the OT, we all wanted to see it, and it took place in a cartoon between two of the movies. He should have combined I and II into one film (we didn't need two hours of Jake Lloyd) and made Ep II the Clone Wars.
Mr. Sam said:
Riiight, with Mace Windu single-handedly taking on hundreds of battle droids with his bare hands? That's some cheesy Burly Brawl crap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A07WNupEXk
The CG Clone Wars cartoon is way better.
I do agree that we don't see enough of the Clone Wars or Anakin's heroics and his relationship with Obi-Wan in the PT. This is most likely why Lucas himself is taking a more hands on creative role in the CG series.
lazybones18
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And the news of the changes to the Blu-Ray edition has finally gotten the Taiwanese news treatment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6UHvVhQeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd6UHvVhQeU
Gui_PT said:
There were a few cool concepts in the PT.
Podracing is a cool idea but it shouldn't have been so central in the TPM. I think Darth Maul could have been a cool new villain too if he had any character development at all. Obi-Wan was quite a likeable character.
That's all I can come up with off the top of my head though, which says a lot.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
What? That was probably the coolest thing to ever come out of Star Wars!richiek said:
It also seemed like a more thorough investigation of what a trained monk could accomplish with the use of the Force. In the movies they're portrayed as doughy swashbucklers with a bunch of arbitrary magic wizard powers. I think the implication of Force powers could accomplish much more if the Jedi's trained like Shaolin monks.
Clone Wars at least explored that in an appropriate medium.StudioTan
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Gui_PT said:
Give me a break.
IMDB Ratings:
Ep 1 - 6.4 - Most people gave it a 7, next highest score 6
Ep 2 - 6.8 - Most people gave it a 7, next highest score 8
Ep 3 - 7.8 - Most people gave it a 10, next highest score 8
Fucking opinions, how do they work?
ultron87 said:
I honestly don't think that they did. I know that a lot of people really like the fight in TPM but it looks too obviously choreographed to me. I really didn't like any of the other battles at all. Obi-Wan vs Anakin had some cool moments but I would prefer Lucas focus on the drama of two friends fighting for their lives rather than completely over the top action sequences.
Nappuccino
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The new trilogy had far too much telling, not enough showing, bad dialog and pretty obtuse political threads
BocoDragon said:What? That was probably the coolest thing to ever come out of Star Wars!
It also seemed like a more thorough investigation of what a trained monk could accomplish with the use of the Force. In the movies they're portrayed as doughy swashbucklers with a bunch of arbitrary magic wizard powers. I think the implication of Force powers could accomplish much more if the Jedi's trained like Shaolin monks.
I dunno. To me, it made the Jedi way too overpowered. Screw the clones, a few Jedi could've ended the war pretty quickly.
It's the same reason why I hate the Force Unleashed games.
megashock5
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Sneds said:
There were a few cool concepts in the PT.
Podracing is a cool idea but it shouldn't have been so central in the TPM. I think Darth Maul could have been a cool new villain too if he had any character development at all. Obi-Wan was quite a likeable character.
That's all I can come up with off the top of my head though, which says a lot.
Regarding Darth Maul:
I think it was a mistake to show the double bladed Lightsaber in the Ep I trailer. That should have been completely kept secret. If you had never seen it and didn't know about it, that scene would have been an "oh, shiiiiit" moment in the theater when that second blade came out of the hilt.
Nappuccino
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richiek said:
Did you watch the prequels? Droids go down in a flash.
Nappuccino said:
That's not really a good thing though. It destroys any possible tension in the scenes when the Jedi fight battle droids because, as an audience, we never feel that the heroes are in danger.
Edit: This is something that Red Letter Media comment on in their prequel review videos.
BocoDragon
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richiek said:
One of the points of the prequels was the droids are fodder for Jedi... it took Clones to take them down.
But sure, what Mace does in the cartoon is far beyond what we see on film.
On the other hand.... I'd say the films are less realistic in the opposite direction. Mace's performance in Episode III was significantly less skillful than any real swordsman or martial artist.... almost as if the movies had been directed by a fat nerdy guy
Nappuccino
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richiek said:
We never saw the Clone Wars in a live action form- but if the prequels are anything to go on, they don't have a problem taking out a lot of them.
And no, this is not a good thing. The lack of tension is one of the worst things about the prequels.
Kung Fu Jedi
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megashock5 said:
I personally think that they should never have killed him off in the first film. Keep him around as the Sith Apprentice until Vader has to take him out to claim his spot. Let him escape after killing Macd Windu and have him be the foil for Obi Wan and Anakin in the next two films.
Darth Maul had a lot of charisma and was intriguing for what little we knew of him. He could have been a much better bad guy than Sidious was, and far more ruthless, yet less powerful, than Vader.
Liquidsnake
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Gui_PT said:
Its hard for me to agree with you. For all the garbage and let down 1-3 was, it did have a few great moments, and Ewan was amazing in his performance.
megashock5
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I've thought this for a long time.
Count Dooku was just stupid.
Liquidsnake
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
I agree and felt he could have been the antagonist for all three prequals.
The Lamonster
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Ewan was great, and also Ben Burtt's sound design and John Williams' score were awesome in all three prequels.Liquidsnake said:
Liquidsnake
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The Lamonster said:
Really think about it, Ewan had to take over a role that was legitimized by Alec G. He took that role and did so much with it, that by the time you get to a new hope, you feel like you know Obi-wan so much more. In my mind the two meld into one. Its hard to explain it, but watching 1-3 was worth it just to get to know the history of the Obi-wan character.
Spiritreaver
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Let my Amazon preorder go through, after looking at the list of changes linked earlier in thread, I really don't think the "jarring" changes in this release to be offputting enough to not enjoy the jump in visual and sound quality.
What's going to piss me off are the 3D releases though. I'm going to end up double dipping on Toy Story 3 in November, but in my defense I don't own TS1/2 on Blu-ray yet.
What's going to piss me off are the 3D releases though. I'm going to end up double dipping on Toy Story 3 in November, but in my defense I don't own TS1/2 on Blu-ray yet.
NekoFever
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I just figure that they've been at war for 25 years or so by that point. The Rebels are understandably low-tech, and most of the moons/planets we see (Tattooine, Yavin, Hoth, Endor, etc) aren't exactly the centres of galactic civilisation. And most of the Imperial architecture on things like the Death Stars and Star Destroyers isn't too far removed from stuff in the PT.Jason's Ultimatum said:
megashock5
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Liquidsnake said:
Ewan was great. In fact, so many characters were tainted after going through the prequel trilogy, Obi-Wan has since been my most respected character.
And talk about a thankless job. "Here, go live on this craphole desert planet and watch over this kid - the son of that brat you didn't want to mentor in the first place but promised Qui-Gon you would."
And as far as that goes, who thought it was a good idea to hide on of Vader's kids where he grew up, to be raised by people he'd met?
Liquidsnake
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NekoFever said:
I always thought about it the same way. Like the PT was the height on this universe, and the OT was at its low point.
electroshockwave said:
Nope. It all still has dramatic flow and tension, it's just not the same dramatic flow and tension as when we watched the OT as kids. The only reason to champion the Vader father reveal is because you liked it when you were a kid. Kids who watch the series in story order are concerned that Luke will kill his own dad without knowing, or wondering if Vader knows who Luke is and if Luke will find out who Vader is. There's a different dramatic tension there due to the audience knowing something the hero does not, which is a valid story device.
Story information from the prequels does not ruin the originals, it changes the storytelling device. One is not more valid than the other. Had the prequels been better films, story order might have actually resulted in a more interesting flow, in fact. Yet another lost opportunity and waste of potential for the prequel trilogy.
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