Possumowner
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I love mine,only issue I've had is with the kickstand,which once removed and then put back has solved it from sticking.
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Here are some issues I have with the Switch launch for us to politely discuss
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crunchburner
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I know Gaf is not a hivemind, but such a level of negativity around the Switch launch is pretty unique. I've seen it nowhere else.
I don't know what makes some of you so angry, whether it's because you were waiting for perfection or just for shitposting sake, but this is pretty fucking toxic.Not even the ps3 launch,I think , has been so ridiculously dramatic around here.
For a forum of gaming enthusiasts, it does paint a pretty whiny picture.
I don't know what makes some of you so angry, whether it's because you were waiting for perfection or just for shitposting sake, but this is pretty fucking toxic.Not even the ps3 launch,I think , has been so ridiculously dramatic around here.
For a forum of gaming enthusiasts, it does paint a pretty whiny picture.
It's cynicism over Nintendo because of the Wii U, and GAF thrives off of cynicism.
Well put and pretty sad.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Im debating buying one from a friend but the hardware issues make me want to wait until they hopefully fix them. Good news Is both the left joycon and the dock are easily replaceable. My other concern is without third party support, for me to buy it Nintendo would have to consolidate their handheld and console output and they haven't made it seem like they're going to do that. I own a Wii U and aside from a handful of games, I didn't play many games that were a must own for me. Most of their first party played it way too safe. I'd like to see more games like Mario Maker, Splatoon, and BoTW, which aren't the same old formula games they keep making.
Also, Mario Odyssy looks amazing so I'll probably get one around the holidays and hopefully by then the system will have matured
Also, Mario Odyssy looks amazing so I'll probably get one around the holidays and hopefully by then the system will have matured
Jawbreaker
Member
Well, some people just enjoy the challenges that come with trophies/achievements. No one is obligated to care for them, but for those who do, it's nice to have the option. Why does it matter if a minority of people are buying games specifically for those purposes? It has no impact on you.
Lanrutcon
Member
Pointless thread.
Switch is in the honeymoon period right now. Any criticism leveled against it will be drowned in "but the new Zelda is awesome!" and "oh lol a nintendoomed thread" by the fandom.
Give it a month or three for the shine to wear off and things to settle. There's a much better quality of discussion to be had once the hype is out of the way.
Switch is in the honeymoon period right now. Any criticism leveled against it will be drowned in "but the new Zelda is awesome!" and "oh lol a nintendoomed thread" by the fandom.
Give it a month or three for the shine to wear off and things to settle. There's a much better quality of discussion to be had once the hype is out of the way.
Messofanego
Banned
What about the OP is "pretty fucking toxic", "so angry", or qualifies as "shitposting"? Pointing out issues early on, so they get possibly fixed later, doesn't seem like a bad thing. If you're talking just generally that people are negative or cynical, welcome to gaming forums. Get yourself a history lesson.
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MightyKAC
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It's gonna suck that, despite having laid out all his points accurately, rationally, and in complete detail, this thread will most likely be locked simply because some folks can't handle criticism against Nintendo and would rather shit up a thread like this with baseless accusation than have an actual discussion about it.
Alternatively it's Nintendo fans dismayed by the hardware direction of Nintendo since the Wii.
It's not cynical to point out the facts:
GAF wants a new Metroid, new F-Zero, Galaxy etc. to get this we need a strong and successful Nintendo. Nintendo have had two years of barely supporting the Wii U to pull the Switch together and address the problems of the Wii U and the Switch not only falls short of that but has lots of other launch issues. Here's hoping this is a soft launch and Nintendo step up for the big push in the Fall, because if the Switch doesn't achieve big sales in 2017 it won't matter how many 10/10 games they line up for it, the casual market will have moved on to the next thing.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Yeah. And a lot of people just want a PS4 like console. Anything different is not interesting to them.
That said, Nintendo has given them ammunition with some of their stupid decisions.
I dunno. I'm very happy with the Switch so far. I was able to play while commuting. Zelda is awesome but there are other games that are, Shovel Knight, fast, neo geo games...
We are in an irrational territory. I must say that I am a bit disappointed with GAF.
Even the friend codes sharing thread (Yeah, I know, they're stupid, we get it, we just have to go with that for the moment hoping for some update) is polluted by shitpost that are totally tolerated.
Let's wait a bit, people will calm down I hope.
Probably is in some ways, but you can't deny that it has some serious flaws.
Pointing out shortcomings in an objective manner is not being dramatic or whining.
Most of Switch's flaws are baffling. It reminds me of this:
Sad Affleck
Member
It maybe wasn't the smoothest launch ever and the launch library could have been richer but overall the hardware is solid and one of the launch games might be one of the best games ever. This launch is more for the early adopters and core gamers, the console's mass market appeal test will be this holiday. Nintendo have plenty of time to iron out any issues until then.
As for the general feeling of negativity among GAF, it is understandable but perhaps a bit over the top. The Switch is a different concept and it might not resonate with core gamers who want top-notch visuals and robust third-party support. The Switch won't offer that. That said, it is really a stretch to think of this launch as a failure.
As for the general feeling of negativity among GAF, it is understandable but perhaps a bit over the top. The Switch is a different concept and it might not resonate with core gamers who want top-notch visuals and robust third-party support. The Switch won't offer that. That said, it is really a stretch to think of this launch as a failure.
The casual market HAVE moved on to the next thing, mobile, and they aren't coming back. I agree in a sense that Nintendo need to play to their strengths, and that's first party games. They will never compete on an equal footing with Sony and MS ever again so that just has to be written off.
JosephManderley
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As I was playing Fast RMX last night, I was thinking just how much Nintendo had failed.....
They haven't - Switch is great, love mine so far.
They haven't - Switch is great, love mine so far.
crunchburner
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I spent most of my Saturday with my friend and his Switch, playing Zelda. He took a few minutes to show me the OS and other features with the console. I need to re-emphasize the word "few" in that prior sentence.
Removing the awesome experience of playing Zelda from the equation, it feels like there's a lot missing here. As OP stated, the system is extremely barebones at the moment and feels like a Zelda machine and nothing else.
It feels worse than the Wii U did at launch. For me, the Wii U at least had the benefit of backwards compatibility so I could play through the Wii library while I held in the "wait for the next Nintendo franchise release™" stance (I did not own a Wii). The lack of many connectivity features in 2017 makes it feel like an empty machine.
I think people are incorrect in comparing this console to its predecessor. It feels more like the PS3 did at launch. It honestly feels overpriced - not to the degree the PS3 was, but $299 MSRP feels high. "HD Rumble" feels like an easily forgettable feature akin to "Sixaxis" controls. The online functionality feels stripped down completely as well. Trophies and achievements have been mentioned, which the PS3 didn't have for at least the first year of existence.
Can this be improved? Certainly, but Nintendo hasn't had a good track record of improving their products outside of releasing a new SKU to address hardware concerns. I hope this works for them because I did genuinely enjoy my Wii U when I played it and would love to have some of the same experiences on a Switch someday.
Removing the awesome experience of playing Zelda from the equation, it feels like there's a lot missing here. As OP stated, the system is extremely barebones at the moment and feels like a Zelda machine and nothing else.
It feels worse than the Wii U did at launch. For me, the Wii U at least had the benefit of backwards compatibility so I could play through the Wii library while I held in the "wait for the next Nintendo franchise release™" stance (I did not own a Wii). The lack of many connectivity features in 2017 makes it feel like an empty machine.
I think people are incorrect in comparing this console to its predecessor. It feels more like the PS3 did at launch. It honestly feels overpriced - not to the degree the PS3 was, but $299 MSRP feels high. "HD Rumble" feels like an easily forgettable feature akin to "Sixaxis" controls. The online functionality feels stripped down completely as well. Trophies and achievements have been mentioned, which the PS3 didn't have for at least the first year of existence.
Can this be improved? Certainly, but Nintendo hasn't had a good track record of improving their products outside of releasing a new SKU to address hardware concerns. I hope this works for them because I did genuinely enjoy my Wii U when I played it and would love to have some of the same experiences on a Switch someday.
Nestunt
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I can't discuss much about its merits or failures because I am only planning to buy one next year when the library justifies what I think is an overpriced machine.
But I can say that, yesterday, I was shocked to find the console readily available at shelves here in Portugal. Of course Nintendo does not have the same penetration as Sony in this country. But not even 1 day with no stock?
From my experience, that usually is a good metric to extrapolate to worldwide sales and console success all-around. It's clear Nintendo has lost a great amount of goodwill even from the Wii days. Consumers felt burned with the Wii library (attach rate) and the fact that the console stayed in their shelves collecting dust while they wanted to play AAA games on PS360.
But I can say that, yesterday, I was shocked to find the console readily available at shelves here in Portugal. Of course Nintendo does not have the same penetration as Sony in this country. But not even 1 day with no stock?
From my experience, that usually is a good metric to extrapolate to worldwide sales and console success all-around. It's clear Nintendo has lost a great amount of goodwill even from the Wii days. Consumers felt burned with the Wii library (attach rate) and the fact that the console stayed in their shelves collecting dust while they wanted to play AAA games on PS360.
Nintendo fanboys will try to deny and antagonize the OP because they know all of his points are perfectly valid but they don't want their new console from their beloved company to fail. The latter is understandable, albeit delusional.
Whether they want it or not though, when things settle down in a year or so the Switch is indeed going to be one of the biggest failures in gaming history because of completely deranged decision making like the ones listed in the OP.
I'm willing to bet it's going to be a bigger bomb than the Wii U. We'll see.
Whether they want it or not though, when things settle down in a year or so the Switch is indeed going to be one of the biggest failures in gaming history because of completely deranged decision making like the ones listed in the OP.
I'm willing to bet it's going to be a bigger bomb than the Wii U. We'll see.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Alternatively it's Nintendo fans dismayed by the hardware direction of Nintendo since the Wii.
It's not cynical to point out the facts:
GAF wants a new Metroid, new F-Zero, Galaxy etc. to get this we need a strong and successful Nintendo. Nintendo have had two years of barely supporting the Wii U to pull the Switch together and address the problems of the Wii U and the Switch not only falls short of that but has lots of other launch issues. Here's hoping this is a soft launch and Nintendo step up for the big push in the Fall, because if the Switch doesn't achieve big sales in 2017 it won't matter how many 10/10 games they line up for it, the casual market will have moved on to the next thing.
Can I have a graph with the handhelds please mate too?
BlueSparrow
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I really adore my switch, of course i'd love more games than just this masterpiece. But for now, trust me, it's enough.
Before it came out i just saw this as nintendo's next console i'd put next to my tv and play on my tv. I didn't really think i'd use the portable mode that much seeing as i personally don't really like playing on smaller screens.
But now that i actually have one that's completely different. I love portable mode and i could see myself taking this thing to several locations. The screen is SO crisp and just the right size.
But yeah, as i said some just waiting for more games right now.
Before it came out i just saw this as nintendo's next console i'd put next to my tv and play on my tv. I didn't really think i'd use the portable mode that much seeing as i personally don't really like playing on smaller screens.
But now that i actually have one that's completely different. I love portable mode and i could see myself taking this thing to several locations. The screen is SO crisp and just the right size.
But yeah, as i said some just waiting for more games right now.
Sniffynose
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Added comments above, but I mean most of your concerns don't feel like "your concerns" but rather the hyper inflated clickbait "the sky is falling" shit we read or see on YouTube by "famous streamer". With hundreds of thousands of things, sure a few will fuck up, but regurgitating the issue as if it's happening to 99% of the people is just ridiculous.
Imho take a break from the Internet, re-open the box and evaluate your experience not what you are being told to think.
Sword Of Doom
Member
Thank you for providing hours of enjoyment. That Angry at Jeff Gerstmann usenet letter is amazing
The way you're downplaying it is just as ridiculous. The dock issue appears to be a design flaw and considering even you had a failing left joycon, I'd say the issue is widespread and beyond what would be considered acceptable failure rates. Now please don't equate what I said with "the sky is falling and it's happening to 99% of the poeple"
Fantastical
Death Prophet
The only things that really bother me are the hardware issues. That is very disappointing to me... Nintendo used to make really quality hardware.
Well thought out responses! I feel people as well are just blowing the rare cases up.
No, because Switch is a home console that is also portable.
Though if they do a 3DS follow-up that would hurt the Switch as a portable proposition and make it's design even more redundant for some people!
I don't understand how some fans don't get that spending two home console iterations chasing a portable tablet model isn't even innovative in the way Nintendo hardware usually is, and pushes the price way up.
Malcolm9
Member
This is Nintendo's new console, which happens to be portable as well, a hybrid. It isn't being sold as a handheld specifically.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
I think some people are just sick of having to buy shitty, under supported consoles if they want to play Nintendo games.
SpookyBlackFish
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Some things can be discussed. Other ones, I'm not so sure if there isn't much exaggeration to some "issues".
Barebone OS and functions: yes, many things that are used on 3DS and WiiU are gone. But this leads to an interesting fact for me. Switch is a very pure and accessible gaming device, that has almost SNES or Gamecube vibes to it.
Accessories: yes, borderline expensive. Can be an issue, if you plan to go mostly digital, if you do not like the Joycons that much or want to charge them separately from the console. Otherwise I think apart from a case and a screen protector for 20 bucks, the console is good to start with (comes with 2 controllers, if you see it that way).
Games: yes, too little to choose from the start. Will soon become much more interesting, but only if you did not own a WiiU before (MK8). Nevertheless, decent Indie lineup.
Connectivity: let's wait how this turns out.
Online: see above.
Gimmick: see above. At least, it is no gimmick centered console that has no right to exist if you strip it of its unique feature (like the WiiU gamepad). Btw, I find playing BotW with Splitcon very comfortable. I have normal sized hands though. Big handed people might have issues.
HW issues: Can it be that the "scratch" thing is hysterical? I put it in and out many times and there seems to be enough space. I even use a screen protector which costs extra space. No scratches. Could it be you have to act clumsily to cause this damage?
The desyncing has not ever happened to me at least, so I cannot tell. Seems you have to provoke it. But why would I want to provoke it?
Kickstand could be more stable, but if you do not cause shocks to the table or push it, it just stands there. No problems so far while playing. Have to try it during turbulences while flying first.
So as far as I can tell from my first intensive days with it, I could not speak of failure. There are issues or reduced functions, but especially the latter I see as a first result of a quite different approach.
Always-honest
Banned
As a huge Nintendo fan i can't imagine not buying a new Nintendo console on day one.
But here i am. I might buy it in december when there are more games for it that i want to play. However, i'm even considering not buying one at all, to speak with my wallet. Again, i can't imagine being that strong when Mario, Pikmin, etc come out. But right now the Switch seems like a hybrid mistake to me. And, i can't stress this enough, i think by constantly delivering such an underpowered console every time, i think Nintendo is disrespecting a lot of their artists who work on the games, And their games. "Work hard and then you can be proud seeing your art ruined by jaggies and low res textures."
Some of the things you mention are just extra reasons why i also feel they are on the wrong track. But i will certainly follow all the news and if the games are good enough, i guess i will buy one anyway, since my son and girlfriend love the games too.
I want Nintendo to do well. But i can't come up with a company that is more thick-headed.
But here i am. I might buy it in december when there are more games for it that i want to play. However, i'm even considering not buying one at all, to speak with my wallet. Again, i can't imagine being that strong when Mario, Pikmin, etc come out. But right now the Switch seems like a hybrid mistake to me. And, i can't stress this enough, i think by constantly delivering such an underpowered console every time, i think Nintendo is disrespecting a lot of their artists who work on the games, And their games. "Work hard and then you can be proud seeing your art ruined by jaggies and low res textures."
Some of the things you mention are just extra reasons why i also feel they are on the wrong track. But i will certainly follow all the news and if the games are good enough, i guess i will buy one anyway, since my son and girlfriend love the games too.
I want Nintendo to do well. But i can't come up with a company that is more thick-headed.
The Switch launch is a typical modern console launch with the usual Nintendo cost-cutting on top. All systems now launch with a half-baked OS, thin launch line ups, expensive peripherals, day one patches etc. It's all par for the course.
For me the Switch is exactly what I expected, a slick piece of hardware that plays Zelda on the TV or on the tablet. Right now that's all it does. If that isn't enough for you then just wait until the summer.
Let's ignore the fact that the console is soon going to be two gens behind in terms of power, it has a barebones and outdated OS and online infraestructure –that is going to be behind a paywall to boot–, it lacks and will lack any AAA port whatsoever and it has one real game that is also available on another console.
I'm sorry but thinking the saves is the most worrisome aspect out of that list is kind of delusional.
Be real now, how many years do you think this thing is going to survive with a few Nintendo games? When will they have the next Zelda ready? 2020? What's next after the Mario game? One RPG game?
Mass Effect, AC, Battlefield/front, KH3, RDR2, etc. None of these games will ever be on the Switch. Worst thing is, not even old games like Arkham Knight, FFXV or GTA V will ever be on the system either. What are the users going to play between Nintendo games? This time there's not even old ports of Arkham or CoD to alleviate the drought.
It has nuke bomba writter all over it. All of the OS and pricing problems are nothing compared to the real problem: the ridiculously absurd outdated hardware.
Nintendo had everything to come back strong, all they had to do was making a future proof console with free online as powerful as the Scorpio or at least the PS4 Pro, put Zelda on it, have a lot of enhanced ports of succesful games like The Witcher 3 and GTA 5 and Wii U titles and on top of that, new releases like Mass Effect Andromeda and Nier.
Instead they went the gimmick route again, tried to milk users with overpriced 2012 hardware and accessories and hoped for the best. And the absolute best is going to be 20 million units lifetime.
They learned nothing and dug their own grave.
Jubenhimer
Member
Nintendo has always believed that art doesn't come from the technology you use, it comes from how you use it. It's been that way since forever.
In my opinion, if this had been a standard console box under your tv that could play BotW at 1080p 60fps, and the marketing had focused on the innovation of the joycons - HD rumble, no sensor bar (with improved ergonomics as they didn't have to attach to a handheld), then this thing could have retailed for £100 less in the UK and would've been a much more attractive proposition as a result.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
The fact a Switch costs more than a PS4 and a game is the most absurd thing.
It's just too expensive across the board.
It's just too expensive across the board.
The screen adds a lot to the cost.
/s?
NingenJanai
Member
No, it doesn't, specially since they aren't even using gorilla glass or anything.
The screen probably just costs 20$ at most.
neurosisxeno
Member
For the price of a Switch, BotW, and Pro Controller, you could get a PS4 and most of the best games of the past 3 years. That's a problem.
Also pretty low resolution by modern standards, what is it 1280x720? That's lower than most smart phones.