The Faceless Master
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you can replace it, though here is no official support and it voids your warranty
in fact, ifixit even has a guide for that
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IFixit Xbox One S teardown reveals Wireless AC and SATA III
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you can replace it, though here is no official support and it voids your warranty
in fact, ifixit even has a guide for that
The reason why an ssd is faster is mainly not because of bandwidth.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
The PSU figures for DC are: 12V---10A so 120W?
Edit. I would love for someone to explain the difference between the AC input and DC output figures. Like I said before the PS4 figures for AC and DC tally but the ones on the Xbox don't.
Yeah its reduced seek times too. But bandwidth is still a factor.
A minor one compared to access times.
OdysseusVA
Banned
It doesn't apparently. Companies just want you to believe that it will, its just expensive to fight.
There's an article about it from Wired somewhere
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
i always look forward to IFixit teardowns, the true MVPs. cool on ms part to put in AC wireless and SATAIII, hopefully sony doesnt fuck up by not upgrading those parts as well but in that sense im not expecting much from them lol
Art Vandilay
Member
Yeah, it's called Scorpio.
Okami Haundo
Member
As much as I hate wires, I think the Xbox One has a more consumer friendly approach in this manner. I was able to just buy an external hard drive for my Xbox One and plug it in months after buying the system and downloading tons of games. I've just been dealing with 500GB for my PS4 because I don't want to have to re-download all of my games and put the OS on a flash drive to swap things out.
SwiftDeath
Member
SATA III!
Finally, Sony better do the same on NEO
And I don't care if one or the other OS's don't benefit from increased drive speed, they need to get with the times
Finally, Sony better do the same on NEO
And I don't care if one or the other OS's don't benefit from increased drive speed, they need to get with the times
I agree its not as plug and play as the xbox one but you don't have to re-download all of your games when you upgrade your PS4 hard drive. you can back up everything to another hard drive and do a restore
also: do we have any confirmation of 802.11ac actually working on the Xbox One S? per my previous post the fat Xbox One has a AC chip as well but its not enabled
so if Wireless AC is, in fact, disabled then the entire premise of this thread is wrong
OP should really be updated
Hesemonni
Banned
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Okami Haundo
Member
Thank you for the correction, I didn't know the PS4 supported backing up your game collection. I'm not sure if that's better or worse honestly. While re-downloading 500GB of games would suck, backing up my collection in this scenario would require a second hard drive just to back up games. That's junk if you ask me.
agreed, it's not as convenient as just plugging in a new hard drive
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It's nice but I don't get it.
Why have SATA3 when you're not allowed to upgrade to an SSD?
Why have SATA3 when you're not allowed to upgrade to an SSD?
Again, this is no big deal and not limiting the console at all.
LordOfChaos
Member
Wireless AC, noice. SATA III is nice as well, though it remains to be seen if there's any load time speedup or it was all CPU-bound anyways. EDIT: Oh, just a SATA III hard drive does not a SATA III system make. You can barely find SATA II hard drives new anymore. Guess it matters less for the XBO too since no internal swappable hard drive.
Sony has zero excuse to be shipping 2.4GHz N wifi PS4s for their next minor update, not even waiting till Neo, that stays slow even if the router is within spitting distance of the PS4.
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I think Ifixit made a blooper, it's a SATA III drive but the southbridge is the same, so presumably still SATA II.
Sony has zero excuse to be shipping 2.4GHz N wifi PS4s for their next minor update, not even waiting till Neo, that stays slow even if the router is within spitting distance of the PS4.
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I think Ifixit made a blooper, it's a SATA III drive but the southbridge is the same, so presumably still SATA II.
SATA speeds don't really matter since there's no SSD.
Still limited by mechanical operation, not bandwidth. Number of platters/heads + cache.
AC hardware standard recently updated for wave 2 (MU-MIMO) although I highly doubt this Xbox supports it.
Still limited by mechanical operation, not bandwidth. Number of platters/heads + cache.
AC hardware standard recently updated for wave 2 (MU-MIMO) although I highly doubt this Xbox supports it.
I really feel like replaceable HDDs is an inelegant solution for consoles. You either 1) swap it out at launch, leaving you with an unused HDD that can't compliment you consoles storage or 2) upgrade later and have to deal with the annoyance of transferring your files.
Having both as an option is ideal ofcourse, but if I had to choose one, I'd go with external everytime. Especially since they make these. No wires at all!
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Is there a point in SATA III if you're only using a 5400 drive?
I hope NEO has these upgrades in place along with 4K, BD and such, but since Sony have sat on these kinds of things with PS4 and all the way back to PS3, somehow i am doubting that unfortunately.
Especially for wireless AC or 5ghz, i think it would go a long way to fixing their connection issues in their consoles that is so prevalent compared to Xbox consoles going back 10 years. And Sata 3 is an obvious plus for load times and other things
Especially for wireless AC or 5ghz, i think it would go a long way to fixing their connection issues in their consoles that is so prevalent compared to Xbox consoles going back 10 years. And Sata 3 is an obvious plus for load times and other things
The Last Wizard
Member
Sony better upgrade their wifi again, Ms has done so twice already.
Those damn wife's!
TheGreyHulk
Member
wireless n can still connect to wireless ac routers. your xbone is wireless n, which can work on 2.4ghz + 5ghz bands. that's why you're still able to connect to your 5ghz network.
SEGAvangelist
Member
It looks like it can be upgraded, but just not easily.
Perhaps Ms will eventually allow swapping the internal drive? Long shot I suppose.
The Last Wizard
Member
ftfy
spazimoose
Member
No user replaceable HDD is unfortunate but theres still external drive support so it's not really a huge loss.
As for AC wifi, it's only going to be helpful for people with crowded 2.4Ghz networks or for streaming. N offers more range and is more affordable. If you can help it, wire your devices, no latency, no slowdowns, low cost. If you're gaming or streaming 4K you really should be wired.
As for AC wifi, it's only going to be helpful for people with crowded 2.4Ghz networks or for streaming. N offers more range and is more affordable. If you can help it, wire your devices, no latency, no slowdowns, low cost. If you're gaming or streaming 4K you really should be wired.
Vegetable Lasagna
Member
Uh, wires are just a thing. I guess if your setup is just a tv and a console I can see how you would be annoyed because that's what you're used to. But if you have a proper setup with a tv, sound system and even a pc, tons of wires are going to exist if you like it or not. And if you have that setup you probably already had a few externals in your entertainment center and have went the extra mile to hide the wires. I know I had multiple externals in my entertainment area before the Xbox ever supported them. Not to mention external drives have a lot of pluses. I can just grab the external and plug It into a friend's console having all of my content without having to drag the entire console out with me. Sony needs to support them like right now.
Anyway, I love my Xbox One S so far. Small, looks great (wish I could have got it in black though), quiet as hell, and the OS definitely seems snappier than my launch XBone. Problem is I jumped into 4K fast and my set is missing a lot of features. Pretty sure the only 4k content I can really run right now is UHD Blu-Rays and Netflix if they update the app. The 4K settings screen on the Xbox is just a sea of unsupported red for me right now, soooooo I really want a new tv... I was happy with the set until I got the S. Thanks MS.
There is also no point with a 7200 rpm drive and barely a point with an ssd.
ethomaz
Banned
So confirmed SATAII controller?
They just put a SATAIII HDD in a SATAII controller... it will only work in SATAII mode and even is you change the HDD it will be always SATAII.
Looking at IFixit the SouthBridge is the same than original Xbox... that means the same I/O controllers.
It is SATAII... not SATAIII... only the drive is SATAIII.
OP needs to be updated to be accurate.
dr. apocalipsis
Banned
Penello said it is the exact same southbridge, so this is only a Sata III drive on a Sata II controller. I figure nobody manufacture Sata II drives of that size, since there is no reason to do so.
Eclectic Jabber Monkey
Member
Yeah looks great inside, simple yet well thought out design. Nice little touches like Master Chief on the Blu-Ray drive cover, power supply and other parts easily replaceable, Hello from Seattle etching on the outside, etc. Great job design team!
