Reizo Ryuu
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Rise of the tomb raider's endurance mode is pretty great too imo.
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Is The Division: Survival DLC, the best 'Survival' game right now?
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At the very least with the hunters it offers the best/natural A.I. I ever met in a game.
I hope they do more with those enemies in the future and not only "waste" them at the survival extraction.
It's even the most fun to do it solo imo.
Especially PvP fights can be really intense there.
I hope they do more with those enemies in the future and not only "waste" them at the survival extraction.
It's even the most fun to do it solo imo.
Especially PvP fights can be really intense there.
Yes. Since everyone starts solo AFAIK.
Leyasu
Banned
I have noy played the division in atleast 6 months, but I am all over this shit after I get back from my fucking tour de France and UK over christmas
Comrade Crunch
Member
While I wouldn't say it's the best, it's certainly among them.
Rust still gets my vote for the sheer lunacy that can occur.
Rust still gets my vote for the sheer lunacy that can occur.
Patrick S.
Banned
I'm interested in this. I've got the base game on Xbox but haven't played a lot, and only played solo. I checked out the free The Division trial on PC the other day, and was impressed by how much better this looks on PC. I have two options; buy the season pass for the Xbox, or get everything on PC. I'm undecided what to do. Pleae help 
PC pros: mouse and keyboard controls, better graphics, free multiplayer
PC cons: I'd need to spend around €45 to get the game plus season pass. Multiplayer may be dead on PC? Are many people still playing?
Xbox pros: I'd just need to seek a cheap offer for the season pass
Xbox cons: worse graphics, worse controls, pay to play multiplayer
PC pros: mouse and keyboard controls, better graphics, free multiplayer
PC cons: I'd need to spend around €45 to get the game plus season pass. Multiplayer may be dead on PC? Are many people still playing?
Xbox pros: I'd just need to seek a cheap offer for the season pass
Xbox cons: worse graphics, worse controls, pay to play multiplayer
Absolutely. I'm one of only a couple of my friends who returned to the game, so I usually play alone. I have only played Survival solo.
It's pretty tense but since there's a snowstorm, enemy AI can't see as far, making stealth possible. I managed to sneak through the Dark Zone with all green gear, and just an M4. I almost finished one entire session solo, but the Hunters in the Dark Zone got me at the last second.
Er-Are you playing PvP? Play PvE, it's the way the mode is meant to be played IMO.
Simo
Member
Play PvE then. It's Survival so of course any players you meet are going to drop you to get your resources, it's the whole point.
Love the expansion and yeah it's pretty much what they kinda sold the game was going to be in the beginning instead of what we got, at least that's my feelings on it.
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
Yeah just need a couplr changes like randomized loot places and up the player count to like 32-34
Also stop spawning players in clumps. Spread them out further.
Other than that I love Survival.
Also stop spawning players in clumps. Spread them out further.
Other than that I love Survival.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
PVE is still needlessly douchey game design, because they do shit like make all drops shared... you struggle through a fight and some jerk sprints in and grabs your shit. Just, everything these devs do is designed to antagonize and allow trolling.
It was clear the first time I extracted in this game back on day 1 and noticed there were only 4 hooks on the rope. Troll devs, troll game.
Robobandit
Member
I like the survival mode quite a bit.
You can even queue with a group if you have friends you want to play with..
Playing solo is fun too, though.
I think some of the ideas in the mode are actually detrimental to cooperative play, though.. particularly the fact that loot is not instanced like it is in the regular game.
I think it would be a better co-op experience if loot was instanced for the party.. meaning everyone in the party could loot, but it would be picked clean for other people once it was looted.
Though you could argue that this design choice makes it a somewhat competitive experience even when playing with your friends and an even better survival simulation because there is a reason to hog things for yourself instead of telling your friends. "Hey, I found medication over here.. " vs "Nah. didn't find anything ::takes meds for himself::"
You can even queue with a group if you have friends you want to play with..
Playing solo is fun too, though.
I think some of the ideas in the mode are actually detrimental to cooperative play, though.. particularly the fact that loot is not instanced like it is in the regular game.
I think it would be a better co-op experience if loot was instanced for the party.. meaning everyone in the party could loot, but it would be picked clean for other people once it was looted.
Though you could argue that this design choice makes it a somewhat competitive experience even when playing with your friends and an even better survival simulation because there is a reason to hog things for yourself instead of telling your friends. "Hey, I found medication over here.. " vs "Nah. didn't find anything ::takes meds for himself::"
Spiral Insanity
Banned
Thank you everyone! Will check it out tonight!
What A Time To Be Alive
Member
Litterally:
- Buy the high-end M44
- Buy High Velocity Magazine
- Craft the Turrent
Throw the turrent down so the hunter will be focused on that, pulse then go for a headshot. Its a one-shot kill most of the time.
I shall do that. I've been going for Pulse + Med Kit. But I don't think there's anything stopping me from crafting the Turret.
I mean if I can get to the DZ with like ~20 min left on my virus and have plenty of medicine and pain killers... I shouldn't be rushing.
The premise sounds great but I'm used to survival games that have you surviving for literal days, not just less than 2 hours and for it to have a goal.
I understand why they did this, and it sets them apart from other survival games, but it's not my cup of tea.
Edit: I'd love a Division Survival mode where the premise is the same, aside from the virus, and your goal is to just start from nothing and eventually own all of Manhattan.
You'd start out in a decrepit shack and eventually build up to a fortified fortress with other NPC's that you can send out to missions + guard the place from attacks. It'd have to be PVE and your main goal would be to capture the headquarters of the other factions without losing your own. You'd also have to scrounge for supplies for you and your faction. Loot would be randomized.
I understand why they did this, and it sets them apart from other survival games, but it's not my cup of tea.
Edit: I'd love a Division Survival mode where the premise is the same, aside from the virus, and your goal is to just start from nothing and eventually own all of Manhattan.
You'd start out in a decrepit shack and eventually build up to a fortified fortress with other NPC's that you can send out to missions + guard the place from attacks. It'd have to be PVE and your main goal would be to capture the headquarters of the other factions without losing your own. You'd also have to scrounge for supplies for you and your faction. Loot would be randomized.
I still have no idea how people got that idea from a game where they go into a police station and find fancy shiny loots in the demo.
persistent worlds just seem pointless and unfocused.
One of my primary skills is usually the ballistic shield, it's not so much for the n vs n fight against hunters but it gives you so much hp vs other groups around, it can take a beating.
I tend to get good gear by the end. Once i get in the Dark Zone I try to hit as much division tech as I can. Craft some nice armor for yourself, Holster is a good one for yellow because of tri-stat. Get yourself up to 5 gear mod slots and fill them with mods.
you probably only need one good gun to kill the hunters, I like to make a nice MMR and a pistol to work with my shield.
That's kinda the point of a "survival" mode, dude. You're going to fight with/against players to survive. PvE mode turns off one element: You no longer have to worry about someone shooting at you while you're shooting at the enemies. You do have to worry about you never being revived, but that's where the tension comes in: You have to fight against the enemies and the elements (the storm) to get your gear to show them you can survive.
It's hardly "troll design."
Shared drops would make it so much easier. Which is why they don't do it. So yeah, I agree with you.
WheelHoss1
Member
I've put in more than 30 days into the Division and this mode feels completely fresh and brilliant. Very addictive as every game plays out differently
HalfBakedProphet
Member
It is really good.
If I had one complaint, it would be how some of the resources are in the same spots every time. Once you've played 8-10+ games, you start to remember specific locations to acquire specific resources. Eventually you learn the best spots to get clothes/electronics/whatever and it takes some of the fun out of scavenging.
The drops from enemies are still random but I wish the entire map's item locations were randomized each time.
If I had one complaint, it would be how some of the resources are in the same spots every time. Once you've played 8-10+ games, you start to remember specific locations to acquire specific resources. Eventually you learn the best spots to get clothes/electronics/whatever and it takes some of the fun out of scavenging.
The drops from enemies are still random but I wish the entire map's item locations were randomized each time.
I agree, having that stuff randomized would be a welcome addition. Having certain enemies patrols being randomized would be pretty cool too. One game a certain area is relatively empty, next game it's swarming.
BigTnaples
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Can't wait to play it. Working the next week straight, but I plan on digging back into the game once I get off. Survival mode sounds right up my alley.
Haven't played it since the first patch, so I'm excited to jump back in with all of the new fixes and content.
Have they added many more weapons or armors to the game? Any new skills?
Haven't played it since the first patch, so I'm excited to jump back in with all of the new fixes and content.
Have they added many more weapons or armors to the game? Any new skills?
A lot of new weapons and armor sets. A lot of the core endgame got redesigned in patch 1.4, and it's really solid now. No new skills unfortunately, but many were rebalanced so a lot of things are very useful now. You'll be spending time working through world tiers, then once you hit World Tier 5, building a set of gear that boosts the way you like to play.
The_Hitcher89
Member
That sounds great
Sold the game a couple of months ago. Hopefully some part of this is implemented in the core of the sequel.
Does it reward you with gear you take into the main game?
Sold the game a couple of months ago. Hopefully some part of this is implemented in the core of the sequel.
Does it reward you with gear you take into the main game?
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Does world tier matter in survival mode?
EL CUCO
Member
Nope. Level doesn't matter either. As soon as you unlock the Base of Operations, you can play it.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
It was pretty apparent from the announcement that it was a loot based RPG.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
I like what i'm reading but the main game didn't clicked with me when i played the beta. If it was on sale i would give a shot.
It always had a form of difficultyfor the DZ depending on your level, but they recently overhauled that for all level 30 players.
Both the DZ and Manhattan open world now have Tiers that you unlock by getting better gear. This way if you're playing solo, you can go to a lower difficulty to beat missions, or equip lower gear to play in a lower leveled dark zone.
Agnostic Priest
Member
I really like survival mode. It's far better having a friend with you though, it can be pretty tough solo.
Definitely renewed my interest in the game after the underground ruined it
Definitely renewed my interest in the game after the underground ruined it
Yeah, this. I have no interest in playing a survival mode without some persistence. Try again, Ubisoft.
I'm talking about this Survival mode.
It's too hard solo, for me.
It ends in the dark zone.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
This thread got me to finally try it out on XB1, and holy shit it's fantastic.
You want to get Blue Guns, enough crafting items to get at least 6 Yellow Fabric, and the other stuff. The Yellow Fabric (once near or on the Dark Zone) will give you more than enough clothing to not worry about the cold for a bit (I got Sub Zero Hero off -22C). You want about 4 weapon parts to craft the Quick Release Yellow Blueprint for your primary guns.
Then go in.
I just fucked up (going to the top of the DZ to get the Anti-viral to spawn in the lower end. Couldn't get back down there and got fucked up by a purple and like 6 Reds) surviving by spamming infection buffs (to where my timer was like 50 mins) after spending ~1 hour before the Dark Zone.
But I survived to the anti-viral timer of like 50mins (even in horrible server host lag, through spamming anti-viral timer holds) by myself SOLO about 2 times out of 5 attempts now. Not too bad. The AI
have poor seeing, so long as you aren't worrying about the cold, you don't need to stomp around near them and can take a wide burth around them to never engage them
It's the crafting the Division Tech (which is in DZ infected areas) and surviving the extraction (since Hunters will spawn ONCE for your attempt. So if you craft two flare guns you basically win once you clear the Hunter out) that's difficult. The rest is mostly easy.
It's surprisingly very, very well done. It's certainly got me back into the game. Props to Massive for this expansion.
That's mainly why I like it so much. Dark Zone is a mess with all the min/max'ing that people do with gear, so having a mode where everyone starts on an even playing field and has to work their way through it is pretty damn cool.
That's mainly why I like it so much. Dark Zone is a mess with all the min/max'ing that people do with gear, so having a mode where everyone starts on an even playing field and has to work their way through it is pretty damn cool.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
It's good, but could be a lot better. For starters, loot should be randomized. As it is, I can spawn, know where the better landmarks are, and just run for those.
And thanks to the meta of the game, you basically just make a great sniper + turret and it becomes really easy unless you get overwhelmed in the DZ by multiple mobs.
But I do love how random other elements of it can be, thanks to the addition of other human players. Nowadays my Survival experience has just become a game of "find the dead players on the map", you get tons of stuff real quick by doing that.
One last thing, reviving a player should override the "kill and loot" option every time. I have tried to revive strangers or group buddies multiple times only to have someone run up and do the loot and kill option. Makes no fucking sense, especially in PVE.
And thanks to the meta of the game, you basically just make a great sniper + turret and it becomes really easy unless you get overwhelmed in the DZ by multiple mobs.
But I do love how random other elements of it can be, thanks to the addition of other human players. Nowadays my Survival experience has just become a game of "find the dead players on the map", you get tons of stuff real quick by doing that.
One last thing, reviving a player should override the "kill and loot" option every time. I have tried to revive strangers or group buddies multiple times only to have someone run up and do the loot and kill option. Makes no fucking sense, especially in PVE.
Bluecondor
Member
Great topic OP!
I actually thought about starting a similar thread yesterday, but then I wondered if it was just me enjoying this - since I have never been a fan of survival type games.
Survival is great because the survival mechanics are interesting and relevant, but not so punishing that you can't enjoy the game. And - the gameplay is really emergent, in that where you spawn and how quickly you get to various spots before other players get items, etc changes the game every time. And - there are times when you just luck out and get an amazing weapon drop or happen upon a dead agent who left a huge amount of loot.
I just finished a PvE Survival that lasted nearly two hours. I kept finding medicine (and fabric) but somehow I couldn't find any tools, so I couldn't even craft the filter to get to the Dark Zone (by the way, tools are usually plentiful - I just caught a bad break). With about 10 minutes left until I would die, I ran up north and found some tools and quickly crafted a filter. With only 5 minutes left til I would die, I saw downed player near an extraction, so I figured I would help him and maybe we could get out together.
What I didn't realize was that he had been killed by a hunter, who was still there lurking. As soon as I tried to revive the guy, the Hunter spammed me with grenades, downed me, and then finished me with an axe.
Awesome game. I'm going one more time tonight.....
I actually thought about starting a similar thread yesterday, but then I wondered if it was just me enjoying this - since I have never been a fan of survival type games.
Survival is great because the survival mechanics are interesting and relevant, but not so punishing that you can't enjoy the game. And - the gameplay is really emergent, in that where you spawn and how quickly you get to various spots before other players get items, etc changes the game every time. And - there are times when you just luck out and get an amazing weapon drop or happen upon a dead agent who left a huge amount of loot.
I just finished a PvE Survival that lasted nearly two hours. I kept finding medicine (and fabric) but somehow I couldn't find any tools, so I couldn't even craft the filter to get to the Dark Zone (by the way, tools are usually plentiful - I just caught a bad break). With about 10 minutes left until I would die, I ran up north and found some tools and quickly crafted a filter. With only 5 minutes left til I would die, I saw downed player near an extraction, so I figured I would help him and maybe we could get out together.
What I didn't realize was that he had been killed by a hunter, who was still there lurking. As soon as I tried to revive the guy, the Hunter spammed me with grenades, downed me, and then finished me with an axe.
Awesome game. I'm going one more time tonight.....
Rudimental
Member
I'm interested in this. I've got the base game on Xbox but haven't played a lot, and only played solo. I checked out the free The Division trial on PC the other day, and was impressed by how much better this looks on PC. I have two options; buy the season pass for the Xbox, or get everything on PC. I'm undecided what to do. Pleae help
PC pros: mouse and keyboard controls, better graphics, free multiplayer
PC cons: I'd need to spend around 45 to get the game plus season pass. Multiplayer may be dead on PC? Are many people still playing?
Xbox pros: I'd just need to seek a cheap offer for the season pass
Xbox cons: worse graphics, worse controls, pay to play multiplayer
There are still people on PC. I play on there and don't usually have to wait very long to matchmake for missions or survival. I also usually end up with European players.