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Jim Ryan: Developers will Aim for the Lowest Common Denominator, not forcing parity
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HellofaMouse
Member
Is every single thing this guy says a bomb
Sanctuary
Member
It can eventually.
Yeh Andrew house needs to have a 1 to 1 with this guy regarding him talking public. loll.
All he is saying is Sony isn't going to force parity. If devs want to put in the effort they will, if they don't they won't.
Jim Ryan says a lot of dumb stuff, but I'm not really sure why this of all things has got GAF in a tizzy lol
'Cause people buy this shit.
Also the narrative of a super strong PS3 that developers couldn't appreciate is hilarious.
People dont like bad PR. As I dont like this guy either. But seriously? This case has often happen to PS4/X1...
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this guys logic is basically the same as movies where you see a blurry 240p image get enhanced into 8k crystal clarity.
I cant tell if he doesn't know what he's talking about or if he's laying PR ground work so that when destiny 2 shows parity on pro and 1x sony can push bungie under the bus for being lazy. Most people know you aim high and make high quality assets and optimize down not the other way around like this dunk is spouting. It's why the whole "downgrade/bullshot" thing exists.
Chuck Norris
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Jim Ryan feels like the guy who only talks about games once every six months in his role
Why do they keep putting him in front of the media?
Why do they keep putting him in front of the media?
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Not only are his statements tone deaf, but I don't believe anything he says is actually true.
Didn't we see quite alot of disparity between the XB1/PS4 cross platform games? Developers didn't just go oh the XB1 can only run 720p 60 so we will make the PS4 version the same you even had differences in draw distances texture fidelity etc.
Lowest common denominator is just a way for them to say you might as well buy our cheaper product because its going to look the same. Just more PR BS
Lowest common denominator is just a way for them to say you might as well buy our cheaper product because its going to look the same. Just more PR BS
GinoFelino
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"Jim Ryan is so wrong/stupid lol"
Meanwhile, AC Origins does exactly what he's saying and it's a game Microsoft bought the marketing rights to.
Meanwhile, AC Origins does exactly what he's saying and it's a game Microsoft bought the marketing rights to.
Right now there is 12 millions ps4 pro right (1 of every 5 from 60 million ps4 sales) and 0 xbox one x.
When the game came out there could be 15 millions ps4 pro and still 0 xbox one x
Guess which console got the most priority?
His cross play comments were dumb, but I don't see what is wrong here? I feel like people are (rightfully) so upset about that, that we now have a situation where
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He is saying Sony isn't forcing parity: good.
He is also saying that in cases where games are the same on both the Pro and XBox One X, it is a decision by the developers to reduce their workload by aiming for the lowest common denominator: makes sense.
It's an explanation of what we seem to be already seeing with games like Assassin's Creed Origins. We do not know how common that will be yet, and he isn't making any statements about that.
He is saying Sony isn't forcing parity: good.
He is also saying that in cases where games are the same on both the Pro and XBox One X, it is a decision by the developers to reduce their workload by aiming for the lowest common denominator: makes sense.
It's an explanation of what we seem to be already seeing with games like Assassin's Creed Origins. We do not know how common that will be yet, and he isn't making any statements about that.
That Ubisoft rep also said dynamic resolution drops are indistinguishable to the human eye, Time and DF will tell. Wouldn't take anything as solid proof.
Your math is way messed up.
20% of PS4s sold since the Pro came out in November last year.
There are ~2 million Pros in the wild.
I would be shocked if the XBox One X didn't have some advantages come launch day, whether less resolution drops or less framerate drops.
Or higher settings.
I mean, I realise dunking on Jim Ryan is the fashionable thing to do right now in the wake of him being the bearer of bad news when it comes to Sony's stupid crossplay policies. But hasn't the PS4 Pro kind of borne out what he says about the "lowest common denominator" approach from third parties? As far as I've been able to tell, third party support for meaningful improvements for PS4 Pro has been halfhearted to say the least.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
If it takes DF to inform people, then that kinda proves their point.
Obviously some aren't taking the comments too well (Ryan obviously isn't good at PR), but we've seen what he's talking about time and again.
Tons of titles have lacked PS4 optimization vs XB1 to showcase the 40% more powerful GPU, or the benefit in having 8GB of DDR5 as unified memory, etc.
That's not to say that -every- title will be unoptimized (just like for PRO or now XB1X), or that the consoles won't bring brute force advantages (e.g. Boost mode on Pro). 1st party titles will also shine normally, obviously.
Heck, we have entire threads dedicated to what he is talking about (subpar PC ports, no blanket 1080p downscale on Pro...)
Tons of titles have lacked PS4 optimization vs XB1 to showcase the 40% more powerful GPU, or the benefit in having 8GB of DDR5 as unified memory, etc.
That's not to say that -every- title will be unoptimized (just like for PRO or now XB1X), or that the consoles won't bring brute force advantages (e.g. Boost mode on Pro). 1st party titles will also shine normally, obviously.
Heck, we have entire threads dedicated to what he is talking about (subpar PC ports, no blanket 1080p downscale on Pro...)
It wouldn't take DF to inform people, if one looks better it does look better. It would take DF to objectively measure what the differences are, if there are any.
You could say the same about all DF articles.
mocolostrocolos
Member
Is Jim Ryan the next Mattrick?
Maintenance
Member
Yeah, no. I don't want to wait several years for an emulator to arrive, and that's assuming it will ever happen for modern consoles (PS4,XB1).
I was thinking the same thing. It was a clumsy way to say developers may base game development around the specs of whoever the market leader is, you can go back to the PS2/XB/GC generation for proof of that. But rather than even go down that rabbit hole, just say Sony doesn't impose development restrictions due to marketing deals....which is kind of a dumb concept when you think about it.
DongBeetle
Banned
This is the worst PR guy for a major company I've seen
The Bookerman
Member
That's some ill-informed comment.
Ps3 was one of the worst platforms to develop for, for a couple of years.
Tools were half baked from the start.
Ps3 was one of the worst platforms to develop for, for a couple of years.
Tools were half baked from the start.
But are they really better? They have higher resolutions in some cases but that's about it. That just comes with extra horsepower, not like the Dev has to do extra work for that. Some games will have one effect or two extra. They're pretty much identical most of the time.
ReplacementPelican
Member
Other than Sony mandating Pro support after October? Did you convinelty forget this?
Jim Ryan isn't wrong on this one. I anticipate there being a limited amount of 3rd party developers that will fully optimize their games for the One X. It just doesn't make sense to do it if not enough of them are sold.
I think we can finally debunk the myth that developing games for iterative consoles would be as easy as developing for PC.
I think we can finally debunk the myth that developing games for iterative consoles would be as easy as developing for PC.
I don't think there's such a mandate since some games have launched without Pro support (e.g. Prey). The mandate was that the Pro version couldn't have exclusive features/game modes that weren't available on the base PS4 version.
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