SlasherJPC
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It's still a challenge and harder then most games imo but more forgiving and def easy to get into.
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Lords of the Fallen Review Thread
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It's still a challenge and harder then most games imo but more forgiving and def easy to get into.
Karak
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Yes. It has the trappings but enough differences(including difficulty) to maybe get you invested. Though it is also not as good when it comes to overall design for combat and world design than those games. So its a give and take.
Poimandres
Member
Decent scores! I'll check this out on the cheap.
The difficulty of the Souls games is colossally overstated. I'd say try Dark Souls. It can be a rude awakening, but once you get into the mindset of being cautious and treating every enemy like an actual threat, it's not hard at all.
SlasherJPC
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Here is my review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SKk7d_TsPs
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...yes it is. You say that because youre A) used to it or B) you play games on hard usually or something. For someone more casual, like someone that plays all games on normal for example, Dark Souls 1 and 2 is ridiculously hard at first, especially bosses with more than 1 enemy
While I agree with the comparison, he shouldn't have made it the staple of his review. Can always count on Daemon Hatfield to do something cringe worthy
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Nice getting my copy when I get back home and starting this right after dinner
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Watching a streamer get destroyed over and over by one guy. lol
Trying to cheese the game ain't gonna work.
Trying to cheese the game ain't gonna work.
Nice, subbed.
SlasherJPC
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Added it to the main post.
Awesome. I really had a great time with this game.
Appreciate it. It's a very, very laid back, informative, and gimmick less review. My style as of late.
Karak
Member
So true. Even the weakest enemy can do insane damage if you play stupid.
Firstly, I doubt anyone on GAF is a 'casual gamer', secondly, no, I almost never play on anything other than normal difficulty, and finally, I'm not sure what 'used to it' means. If you're imagining I've played it over and over, and have just forgotten how hard it was, you're mistaken. I've finished Demons Souls and Dark Souls once each.
They're just not that hard. Yes, there are some challenging bosses (and yes, the ones with multiple enemies are harder for me too, Maneater especially), but there are in lots of games. I would say the amount of bosses I beat first try is inline with any normal game.
I think as well as the series has taken off, this belief that they're extremely hard is actually just damaging to the games, when in reality I have little doubt any competent player could finish them if they cared to do so.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Renting regardless, but some decent numbers will be nice for the dev, hopefully
BouncyFrag
Member
Nice scores but I need a break from third person melee games as I've been playing Mordor a lot and I dont want to get burnt out on my favorite genre. Its great seeing quality new IPs being released. Lots of good games out there and the big guns, so to speak, aren't even out yet (Halo MCC, Dragon Age, AC, etc).
kitschbeam
Member
Sounds like a solid game based on the reviews. Will pick it up later when it's cheaper.
oh I completely agree with you, I just think that telling someone "ah its not that hard" is completely misleading. O&S almost broke me like no other boss in any game had sicne I was a child. I was angry, it made me actually dislike the game. I eventually got over it, Dark Souls is my favorite game of last generation, but the game was stupid hard at times. Hell, once I found out about summons I never looked back, I summoned for almost every boss in DS2, I just didnt give a fuck.
There seems to be this aura around Dark Souls that everyone plays it BECAUSE its hard, but trust me, some of us play them IN SPITE of it
Sanctuary
Member
This is actually pretty much what I expected.
Which is why I said when that review first hit how worthless it was.
But it really isn't misleading and outside of a select few situations isn't that hard. Unless you just started gaming last gen, and those kinds of games were all you knew, it most certainly wasn't "hard" as long as you played methodically. And maybe I just got lucky, but I beat O&S on my second attempt. Not saying that to brag either, it's just how it is. I guess I should clarify though that I played the hell out of Demon's prior, so YMMV.
The hardest boss in Dark Souls for me was Capra. Mostly because the room was so small and you don't really have much time to learn his attack patterns before getting creamed by the dogs. I also had not been using a shield up to that point, and decided to go after a decent stability shield and he was cake after that.
Which is why I said when that review first hit how worthless it was.
But it really isn't misleading and outside of a select few situations isn't that hard. Unless you just started gaming last gen, and those kinds of games were all you knew, it most certainly wasn't "hard" as long as you played methodically. And maybe I just got lucky, but I beat O&S on my second attempt. Not saying that to brag either, it's just how it is. I guess I should clarify though that I played the hell out of Demon's prior, so YMMV.
The hardest boss in Dark Souls for me was Capra. Mostly because the room was so small and you don't really have much time to learn his attack patterns before getting creamed by the dogs. I also had not been using a shield up to that point, and decided to go after a decent stability shield and he was cake after that.
The bosses are not what make the Souls games hard, it's the systems in place. Mechanically the bosses are not harder than what you see in let's say a NG game (I would say they are much easier). The problem is when you die you become weaker and in the case of DS2 you accrue more negative penalties for dying. And it's not just that but the checkpoint system is extremely limited meaning every time you die you have to take a trek to get to the boss fight.
The regular enemies also stunlock you pretty easily while doing considerable damage and more than two enemies in the game are legitimately hard (which happens a lot in DS2). Now add the fact that there's no way point system, no map, no exact information on where to go and traps litered across the area it creates for harrowing first time experience. Now add on top the obtuse stat system, weight systen, upgrade system and many newcomers will end up putting stats in wrong categories or equipping wrong armor screwing them further.
And then the combat itself. Nothing is cancelable and moves get buffered to the next so making just one extra input could get you killed. The roll is laggy compared to standard action games meaning you have to be on point with it. All actions including blocking is tied to stamina bar so every action requires thought. All these things combine to make a tough experience for newcomers.
Nothing in a Souls game requires fast twitch play or amazing reflexes. Its a knowledge based game with some patience. If you know where to go, what the enemy is capable of, what you are capable of, what stats do what where to find good items... the game becomes easy. But first time players don't know this and they will get hard bodied.
Souls games are much easier than old school games in SNES/Genesis era but in this era they are overall hard games compared to what's out there. And this is coming from someone who starts most games on at least Hard mode and up plus beats games on their hardest difficulties. Souls games are definitely hard when you first play them although once you beat one its easier to beat the rest because you learn the fundamentals.
The regular enemies also stunlock you pretty easily while doing considerable damage and more than two enemies in the game are legitimately hard (which happens a lot in DS2). Now add the fact that there's no way point system, no map, no exact information on where to go and traps litered across the area it creates for harrowing first time experience. Now add on top the obtuse stat system, weight systen, upgrade system and many newcomers will end up putting stats in wrong categories or equipping wrong armor screwing them further.
And then the combat itself. Nothing is cancelable and moves get buffered to the next so making just one extra input could get you killed. The roll is laggy compared to standard action games meaning you have to be on point with it. All actions including blocking is tied to stamina bar so every action requires thought. All these things combine to make a tough experience for newcomers.
Nothing in a Souls game requires fast twitch play or amazing reflexes. Its a knowledge based game with some patience. If you know where to go, what the enemy is capable of, what you are capable of, what stats do what where to find good items... the game becomes easy. But first time players don't know this and they will get hard bodied.
Souls games are much easier than old school games in SNES/Genesis era but in this era they are overall hard games compared to what's out there. And this is coming from someone who starts most games on at least Hard mode and up plus beats games on their hardest difficulties. Souls games are definitely hard when you first play them although once you beat one its easier to beat the rest because you learn the fundamentals.
Yeah, I didn't care much for their review at all, personally. Also, why exactly is "Can't adjust difficulty" considered a con?
SRTtoZ
Member
Nailed it.
Stratosphere
Member
Thanks for the rundown of Dark Souls, but this is a LOTF review thread.
strangecloud
Member
I like that there is a game competing with the Dark Souls style of gameplay, hoping that it pushes for innovation for both series. I will eventually play this on a discount probably during my next gaming drought. Good work on the art design developers.
Was only a small 500ish MB patch that I received, not 5GB worth.
Sanctuary
Member
The God of War games wouldn't have been nearly as enjoyable if you were forced to play at the default difficulty. If a game is really easy as the default, then it is a big turn off for some.
I was just clearing the air on how Souls are actually hard game for newcomers.
From what I can tell LOTF is supposed to be easier than Souls overall but it still won't necessarily make it an easy game.
I understand, but the design philosophy behind Lords of the Fallen seemed to indicate that the developers were aiming towards a particular experience that warranted a level of challenge not seen in something like a God of War game. I completely understand their critique on the balancing issues, but this con just struck me as odd. Then again, I haven't played the game yet, so maybe it will make more sense once I get my hands on the game.
ChosenPredator
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still cant find this game via digital for xbox one lol
Gaffer, SlasherJPC, review is from the XBO version.
SlasherJPC
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Mines Xbox One.
