darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Messed with this for about an hour. Extremely disappointing. Game is ridiculously sluggish on my iPad Mini 2. Feels like a bad version of DOTP in general. Lack of cross anything is crazy.
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Magic Duels |OT| Magic The Hearthstonening [Update Support Ending]
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Glass Shark
Banned
Everything feels so sluggish. I wanted to like this and have it be a way for me to get back into Magic, but just starting a game and staring at my opening hand all I want to do is close it and play Hearthstone instead.
? I thought they were still doing Core/editions for paper. They're just making Duels NOT have to yearly update/buy each year because people are tired of that. Simply update the game and let people keep what they've unlocked a la Hearthstone.
I really REALLY wish this was just them redoing the entire Magic: Online client, opening that up from being a money grubbing whore (for lack of better terms) of $5+ drafts and making THAT into their Hearthstone. 20+ years of cards able to unlock at your own pace and/or with money? Yes, please.
Emerson
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No, this year is the last paper core set apparently.
Ally of Justice
Member
Would love an Android version, I've always wanted to play Magic.
I'll try the Steam version.
I'd love it to be like the Yugioh World Championship games. Buy packs by winning duels and unlock new packs as you buy older packs, so you have a huge library to choose from, but you have to unlock them by visiting older cards.
I'll try the Steam version.
I'd love it to be like the Yugioh World Championship games. Buy packs by winning duels and unlock new packs as you buy older packs, so you have a huge library to choose from, but you have to unlock them by visiting older cards.
Prototype Viktor
Member
They already left out Android so can't just expect them to have cross platform at this point
Emerson
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Yes it is, they specifically list the Mini 2 and 3.
Compatibility: Requires iOS 7.0 or later. Compatible with iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPad Air, iPad Air Wi-Fi + Cellular, iPad mini 2, iPad mini 2 Wi-Fi + Cellular, iPad Air 2, iPad Air 2 Wi-Fi + Cellular, iPad mini 3 and iPad mini 3 Wi-Fi + Cellular. This app is optimised for iPhone 5s.
The magic online model makes so much money though, why would they change it to just 5 dollar drafts if they can charge 15?
Wizards is a pretty numbers and analytics-driven company. If they made the choice, we can probably assume there's some business advantage to it. This game is clearly positioned to catch the Hearthstone players who are looking for something deeper, so they have to model their business to be more familiar to take advantage of that.
Interfectum
Member
No cross buy/play is a huge deal-breaker.
Yeah WOTC seems to really want to make these spinoff games much less full featured than MODO so people have to spend tons of cash to get the full MTG experience...
Wizards half-assing a digital version of Magic? I'm shocked.
tim_pkmn89
Member
I'm starting to think selling cards is their primary business model.
Yes, this game is still a stepping stone to paper magic, not a real tcg
Vinsanity.
Member
Even though there isn't cross-buy, am I safe to assume that if I play on both my iPhone6+ and my iPad...that those will be cross-compatible with whatever I unlock/buy?
Using the same Apple/GameCenter ID on both...
Using the same Apple/GameCenter ID on both...
Too bad for them, that isn't what most people want. I want to support Wizards but paying $15+ a pop in event tickets to do ONE draft is just "yeah, no. Sorry."
The drafts right now HAVE effectively been much cheaper (~8-9) because they destroyed the MTGO economy when they bumped the fee for redeeming a set from $5 to $25.
Fragamemnon
Member
As long as you view everything Wizards of the Coast does from the perspective of a toy company selling toys in stores and trying to keep people coming to those stores to buy their toys, it makes perfect sense.
charlequin
Banned
It's not that they don't want to. The core problem is that WotC isn't a tech company; it's a game company owned by a much larger toy company, so they don't have any of the institutional support to make a good product in-house. If you want a good product on the order of MTGO, you need to pay high rates and treat the engineers pretty well; otherwise you just get a lot of people who want to work at WotC but aren't actually good at programming.
In addition, they went all-in on the current iteration of the client a couple years ago, and it's been a disaster, but that probably makes it hard to get their Hasbro snake-person overlords to approve another from-scratch rebuild (certainly without evidence of how this one will turn out different.)
We do know that they staffed up the MTGO team significantly in the past year, so it's certainly possible that they're working on some form of rebuild for down the road.
They just wouldn't be allowed to do this on the console versions, but I'm not clear why they didn't unify Steam and iOS. (Though it's not like they can't do this down the road by just letting you link a Gamecenter and Steam ID then merging the collections.)
lol your friend is a liar
What is wrong with WOTC? How can they be so brain dead? This is so easy to get right. They really have to work to mess it up.
No cross platform save...lol
Different basic game rules....How does that even happen?
Did MGTO ever even add leagues back in? That was the day I quit and I haven't played it since.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
They really do need to kill the fake Magic rules aspect of this. It's no longer called Duels of the Planeswalkers, it's Magic. Since they're just releasing the cards en masse and cultivating a long term strategy the DotP15 restrictions are vestigial at best, damaging to the overall brand at its worse.
They've been promising them for approximately forever. They even ran a beta for them! I think this was the last word: http://magic.wizards.com/en/MTGO/articles/archive/magic-online-leagues-update-2014-11-19_2
"If everything goes well over the next couple of months, we're targeting the release of Leagues for the first half of 2015."
Whoops.
Haha WOTC pls.....
shawnoftheshred
Member
Considering this is going to be the platform for awhile, I guess things like limited play could be added eventually. Maybe I'll just keep a close eye on if it runs smooth/fast on Xbox One as a reason to dip my feet in or not.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I don't love the 3 uncommon, 2 rares of the same card and one mythic per deck, but it's not a deal breaker. It forces some new thinking in deck design and limits overall power, but I' sure new creative decks/play-styles will arise from it. The biggest issue is not having a shared account. No excuse for that other than greed.
charlequin
Banned
You're surprised that the game works the exact same way as all the previous ones, as the direct competitor it's aping in Hearthstone, and the way that ensures it'll play more as intended than as a place you can build full versions of paper Constructed decks? No one in the target market for this product cares about this even a little bit.
They're on three years and running saying "leagues are coming this year" in their end-of-year summary post.
Oh wow, really? What happened? Haven't had the time to play much MODO recently so haven't been up to date. Have single prices crashed as well? Would be nice to be able to build some modern/legacy stuff for cheap haha
Justice_Bolt
Member
They could make so much money if done right...But I know they will disappoint once again.
UnholySpectacle
Member
The thing that kills me with all of these Magic digital releases is how bad the UI is. I get that they want to make it look like the tabletop version but it is just too annoying to double click each tiny card on the "table" to figure out what you are up against. Just go ahead and make it like Hearthstone where you can see the card stats from a glance. Make it so once you play a mana you see a set of numbers above the corresponding symbol showing you what you have tapped and available. It would be so much easier to play, and easier for newbies to pick up. Instead, I am constantly tapping on cards to see the numbers.
For reference I am playing on a 6. I'm sure it is much better on an ipad but WotC has had so many chances to make this console/tablet/phone friendly and failed.
For reference I am playing on a 6. I'm sure it is much better on an ipad but WotC has had so many chances to make this console/tablet/phone friendly and failed.
Emerson
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I don't really see all the complaints. The game is pretty good. It's not a 100% recreation of Magic paper edition but if you expected that you're a fool. It's got the Hearthstone model, a good set of cards, and more to come every 3 months. What's the big problem? I understand no cross-platform is annoying but if you like the game it doesn't matter. Just pretend you only have it on one platform like almost every other game you play.
It's not so much that it's different deckbuilding rules; there just limits to how many copies of a card you can own based on rarity. It'll be itneresting to see how they handle reprints and rarity shifts going forward though. Cards like Naturalize get a new reprint like every other set. Will they just allow you to choose which art you use or will the different set versions be separate cards in your collection. If a card goes from being a rare in one set and becomes uncommon 3 sets down the line, will it be reflected in the Duels games?
Really disappointed in the lack of puzzles, just as I was last year. They're easily my favorite part of the whole series and it feels like it'd make sense to have something like a weekly puzzle challenge that you can complete to get some coins.
SigmasonicX
Member
I'm fine with rarity restrictions on decks. Wizards still has an obligation to get people to buy physical cards, and that seems like an elegant solution. Plus, it may result in interesting deck variations.
That said, only have an Android, so I'll have to play this on Steam, and even then, I imagine I'll have to wait a bit for bug fixes.
That said, only have an Android, so I'll have to play this on Steam, and even then, I imagine I'll have to wait a bit for bug fixes.
shawnoftheshred
Member
The big problem I have with this is how it introduces unneeded variance. A huge part of Magic is building your deck to be able to normalize your opening hands and draws, know what answers you have access to, etc. While it is the same for everyone here, by limiting rares and uncommons, I'm worried that there'll be too many games that are draw dependent, though I guess that depends on what the pool of cards actually ends up consisting of.
On the rarity restrictions, I think they're just trying to create a different metagame and prevent people from building power decks that shut down newer players. Hearthstone only allows one copy of each Legendary for the same reason.
I agree that it's kind of off-putting, but I don't think it's objectively bad either.
I agree that it's kind of off-putting, but I don't think it's objectively bad either.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Yeah I can see that. Certain deck types will suffer from this more than others as well, which could discourage some play-styles.
ShemhazaiX
Member
No global account and no android. :|
These two niggles have completely shut down any urge of playing it.
Guess I'll stick with playing YGOPro.
These two niggles have completely shut down any urge of playing it.
Guess I'll stick with playing YGOPro.
charlequin
Banned
I wouldn't take "no Android" as some kind of permanent state BTW; we know more platforms are coming down the road, so it wouldn't surprise me if they launch on Android a while later (pretty much the same way Hearthstone did.)
Palette Swap
Member
Yeah, I had more Steam/iOS in mind but that sounds very unlikely on consoles. I'm trying to think of any kind of game as a platform or service that would have set a precedent but I can't think of any. Zen pinball or the music games are usually closed to one platform or family.
I do wonder if Blizzard would get a pass if they pulled a console version of Hearthstone though.
Cameron122
Member
lags like a sloth in an opium den